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If you guys didn't know chemo kills people * 2
    #23629697 - 09/09/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No matter how much doctors push the treatment, chemotherapy might not be the best option in the fight against cancer, as a new study shows up to 50 percent of patients are killed by the drugs — not the disease, itself.
Researchers from Public Health England and Cancer Research UK performed a groundbreaking study examining for the first time the numbers of cancer patients who died within 30 days of beginning chemotherapy — indicating the treatment, not the cancer, was the cause of death.
Looking at those death rates in hospitals across the U.K., researchers found an alarming mortality rate associated with chemotherapy.
Across “England around 8.4 per cent of patients with lung cancer, and 2.4 per cent of breast cancer patients died within a month,” the Telegraph reported.
“But in some hospitals the figure was far higher. In Milton Keynes the death rate for lung cancer treatment was 50.9 per cent, although it was based on a very small number of patients.”
Alarmingly, the one-month mortality rate at Lancashire Teaching Hospitals for those undergoing palliative, rather than curative, chemotherapy for lung cancer was a full 28 percent. One in five breast cancer patients receiving palliative care at Cambridge University Hospitals died from treatment.
In certain areas — Blackpool, Coventry, Derby, South Tyneside, and Surrey and Sussex — deaths of lung cancer patients by chemotherapy were ‘far higher’ than the national average.
Dr. Jem Rashbass, Cancer Lead for Public Health England — the national health care service, which requested the study — said, as quoted by the Telegraph:
“Chemotherapy is a vital part of cancer treatment and is a large reason behind the improved survival rates over the last four decades.
“However, it is powerful medication with significant side effects and often getting the balance right on which patients to treat aggressively can be hard.
“Those hospitals whose death rates are outside the expected range have had the findings shared with them and we have asked them to review their practice and data.”
For the analysis, researchers “included all women with breast cancer and all men and women with lung cancer residing in England, who were 24 years or older and who started a cycle” of chemotherapy in 2014.
Long the mainstay for treating various cancers, chemotherapy has finally drawn criticism in recent years, as the medicine does not differentiate between healthy and cancerous cells. Now, this study — published in the Lancet — shows how that powerful cell-destroying property can mean the demise for patients as well.

Researchers have advised physicians to exercise more caution in vetting which patients should ideally receive chemotherapy. Older and more infirm patients, in particular, might be better off without receiving palliative care, which is designed to offer relief instead of curing the disease.
“The statistics don’t suggest bad practice overall but there are some outliers,” noted Professor David Dodwell of the Institute of Oncology at St. James Hospital in Leeds.
“It could be data problems, and figures skewed because of just a few deaths, but nevertheless it could also be down to problems with clinical practice,” he continued.
“I think it’s important to make patients aware that there are potentially life threatening downsides to chemotherapy. And doctors should be more careful about who they treat with chemotherapy.”
All hospitals involved said they reviewed the information and remain certain chemotherapy is safe — with the caveat patient selection for the treatment may need to be more discretionary.
Professor David Cameron of the Edinburgh Cancer Centre at West General Hospital in Edinburgh, Scotland, noted, “The concern is that with some of the patients dying within 30 days of being given chemo probably shouldn’t have been given the chemo. But how many? There is no easy way to answer that, but perhaps looking at those places/hospitals where the death rate was higher might help.
“Furthermore, if we give less chemo then some patients will die because they didn’t get chemo. It’s a fine balance and the more data we have the better we can be at making sure we get the balance right.”
Meanwhile, doctors in the United States should probably take note, considering the sheer number of patients forced to undergo chemotherapy at the State’s behest despite objections from those patients and their families.
In one example, a 17-year-old diagnosed with Hodgkin lymphoma decided to seek alternatives to chemotherapy, but her doctors — so inculcated in state and Big Pharma propaganda — contacted family services, who then kidnapped the young adult and placed her in foster care.
She was finally allowed to return home once she agreed to undergo the often debilitating treatment — but ran away once doctors informed her she’d have to endure surgery for the implantation of a chemo port. In an incredible act of Orwellian Big Government, the Supreme Court ruled the State was in the right in this case — and after being kidnapped and forced into treatment against her will, was denied contact with her own family.
As unfathomably invasive as that was, it isn’t isolated.
Alternative treatments do, in fact, exist — the most promising among them for many cancers are various formulations of CBD oil, a cannabis derivative. But, thanks to the phenomenally failed war on drugs, cancer patients in most areas of the U.S. are unable to procure much needed medicine or are forced to receive treatment on the sly — risking time behind bars simply for wanting to cure themselves.

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/chemotherapy-study-cancer-patients/#KLVDDGWbY2uQjtVW.99

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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23629748 - 09/09/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

thats nutz


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23629751 - 09/09/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My mom went through chemo and nver complained.  Sure she complained about the surgeries and the painkillers.  I am under the impression the chemo drug comes from a plant that stops cells from dividing.  That is why hair falls out. 

There are a number of plants that target cancer.  Not sure what it's called but there is one I would like to know more about.  it's an Asian plant and it manipulates some sort of metal that cancer does not like or needs, not so sure.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23629846 - 09/09/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I know that if I ever get cancer I certainly wont even consider chemo as a treatment strategy


Turmeric extract with black pepper extract (curcumin and piperine) together with reishi an Chagga mushroom tincture and Rick Simpson oil / Phoenix tears will be among the things I will certainly use along with surgery .

I plan to use the natural methods daily so that the cancer never develops in the first place hopefully


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23629874 - 09/09/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I know that if I ever get cancer I certainly wont even consider chemo as a treatment strategy


Turmeric extract with black pepper extract (curcumin and piperine) together with reishi an Chagga mushroom tincture and Rick Simpson oil / Phoenix tears will be among the things I will certainly use along with surgery .

I plan to use the natural methods daily so that the cancer never develops in the first place hopefully









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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23629978 - 09/09/16 05:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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My mom went through chemo and nver complained.  Sure she complained about the surgeries and the painkillers.  I am under the impression the chemo drug comes from a plant that stops cells from dividing.  That is why hair falls out. 

There are a number of plants that target cancer.  Not sure what it's called but there is one I would like to know more about.  it's an Asian plant and it manipulates some sort of metal that cancer does not like or needs, not so sure.




Yes. That also includes intestines.

The thing I don't like about chemo is that it damages cells. And cancer is caused by damaged cells. Most people who went into remission through radiation and chemo eventually have cancer come back. I'm not gonna roll that way.

And from what I understand where the chemotherapy drug comes from depends on the type of drug. Though it's hard to elaborate without doing more research. That stuff isn't front page info.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23629988 - 09/09/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They've been coming up with awesome ways to fight cancer without causing systemic damage. New advances every year. But cancer is a real motherfucker.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23630068 - 09/09/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The problem i that chemo often absolutely destroys quality of life .

I would rather have one month of decent life to say my goodbyes and put my affairs in order and cuddle my wife rather than eight months puking my guts out in misery


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #23630167 - 09/09/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
The problem i that chemo often absolutely destroys quality of life .

I would rather have one month of decent life to say my goodbyes and put my affairs in order and cuddle my wife rather than eight months puking my guts out in misery




You know what destroys your quality of life even more? Being dead from cancer because you tried bullshit holistic treatment options instead of chemo/radiation therapy.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Sheekle]
    #23630175 - 09/09/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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thats nutz




yer nutz :lol:


chemo is a poison, thats why it causes balding and makes u super sick.

Some they got some THC-flavored Chemo drugs now? Amazing times y'all. Amazing times....


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23630177 - 09/09/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23630186 - 09/09/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem i that chemo often absolutely destroys quality of life .

I would rather have one month of decent life to say my goodbyes and put my affairs in order and cuddle my wife rather than eight months puking my guts out in misery



Yep


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23630188 - 09/09/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

CBD, Phoenix Tears is the way to go.



I figured most members would have read about Charlotte's Web (CBD Strain) and the story behind the girl it's named after.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23630221 - 09/09/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm all for medical science, but chemo is really iffy stuff. It entirely depends on the disease and what the other options are, but even if there are no other options, chemo is really shitty. Outcomes aren't even all that much better at 5 years for many types of cancer, but quality of life is insanely lower during that time.

People try to hold on for too long sometimes. I understand, everyone wants to live, but some times the quality of life can be so bad that it's better just to accept death.

Again though, it entirely depends on the type of cancer and the 5 year and 10 year outcomes for chemo for that specific type of cancer.

Oh, and in case anyone didn't know, chemo is legitimately insanely bad for you. The goal is for the chemo to kill the cancer faster than the chemo kills you. And just to clarify, chemo is a radiation based therapy.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Big Worm] * 1
    #23630253 - 09/09/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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CBD, Phoenix Tears is the way to go.

I figured most members would have read about Charlotte's Web (CBD Strain) and the story behind the girl it's named after.




It's named after a girl who had a seizure disorder, completely irrelevant to cancer treatment.

Chemotherapy is much more effective than CBD in treatment of cancer. If CBD was more effective pharmaceutical companies would be all over that shit. It's not though.

IDK, maybe I'm biased because every cancer patient that I've ever seen use CBD or RSO has died from not pursuing real treatment options.

Rick Simpson is a fucking scam artist piece of shit who deserves to be shot in the face.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23630275 - 09/09/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Oh, and in case anyone didn't know, chemo is legitimately insanely bad for you. The goal is for the chemo to kill the cancer faster than the chemo kills you. And just to clarify, chemo is a radiation based therapy.




Chemotherapeutic agents are not radioactive, chemo treatments are usually comprised of cytotoxins that act as alkylating agents, cytoskeletal disruptors Topoisomerase I/II inhibitors, kinase inhibitors... etc. Specifically the following:

Actinomycin
All-trans retinoic acid
Azacitidine
Azathioprine
Bleomycin
Bortezomib
Carboplatin
Capecitabine
Cisplatin
Chlorambucil
Cyclophosphamide
Cytarabine
Daunorubicin
Docetaxel
Doxifluridine
Doxorubicin
Epirubicin
Epothilone
Etoposide
Fluorouracil
Gemcitabine
Hydroxyurea
Idarubicin
Imatinib
Irinotecan
Mechlorethamine
Mercaptopurine
Methotrexate
Mitoxantrone
Oxaliplatin
Paclitaxel
Pemetrexed
Teniposide
Tioguanine
Topotecan
Valrubicin
Vinblastine
Vincristine
Vindesine
Vinorelbine

But hey, if you want to use RSO or tumeric to treat your own cancer go ahead, you'll die and the world will have one less person that believes in homeopathic horseshit.

Cannabinoids are pretty much only good for reducing the symptoms that come along with *real* cancer treatment.


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: falsereality]
    #23630344 - 09/09/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't know that. I could have sworn it was radiation based. My bad :thumbup:


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Sheekle]
    #23630428 - 09/09/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Great Scott]
    #23630579 - 09/09/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Half of you will get cancer but one thing that largely factors into that is diet, exercise, genetics.

If you dont' want chemo then dont get cancer in the first place(or move!)


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Re: If you guys didn't know chemo kills people [Re: Konyap]
    #23630587 - 09/09/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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