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is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not?
    #23627890 - 09/09/16 03:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't read anything about it being hallucinogenic but rather more "euphoric". What neurotransmitter does it have an effect on?


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: CLIT]
    #23627929 - 09/09/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

muscimol is a true agonist at GABAA receptors. This means that unlike barbiturates, benzodiazepines or alcohol which enhance the effect of GABA binding to the receptor (allosteric modulators) it can activate GABAA receptors by itself.

you have to heat them to convert the ibotenic acid into muscimol.


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: CLIT]
    #23628116 - 09/09/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Magic? Sure.
Psychedelic? YMMV


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: Zombi3]
    #23629199 - 09/09/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They are extremely magical.


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: CLIT]
    #23629260 - 09/09/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Magical as in full on CEV's enjoyable delirium and an amazing experience? Yes. Totally different from commonly used psychedelics though. About the past dozen times I've ate Amanita Pantherina raw with no preparation have been amazing with absolutely no side effects. The dozen times I've ate var. formosa & muscaria I've gotten nausea but that may have been because i didn't prepare them correctly. your experience may be totally different from patch to patch and variety but just in case you have a bad experience doesn't mean you should give up on amanita totally. I may some day stumble upon a patch of pantherina where I get nausea and side effects and also find a patch of Formosa where i get no side effects. every patch is different but most of them cause nausea(may be different if you actual prepare the amanita by heat but...) Personally the panther caps I've found give me none


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: MushroomMomo]
    #23634601 - 09/11/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You ever tried Muscaria? I'm trying to get a tincture or glycerite form of it. Some company I know sells them in bottles. I would assume it's safer and cleaner this way rather than growing it or picking it. I don't know why it's legal but not psilocybin.


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23634634 - 09/11/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds GHB-like as well...regarding the effect on the GABA.

I had suffered from OCD half my life and the GABA receptor is known to be the one that needs to be agonized for OCD to disappear. I shall wait and see what its effects are and if it can help with OCD.

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muscimol is a true agonist at GABAA receptors. This means that unlike barbiturates, benzodiazepines or alcohol which enhance the effect of GABA binding to the receptor (allosteric modulators) it can activate GABAA receptors by itself.

you have to heat them to convert the ibotenic acid into muscimol.




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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: CLIT]
    #23634647 - 09/11/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sounds GHB-like as well...regarding the effect on the GABA.

I had suffered from OCD half my life and the GABA receptor is known to be the one that needs to be agonized for OCD to disappear. I shall wait and see what its effects are and if it can help with OCD.

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howsyournaggerdoin said:
muscimol is a true agonist at GABAA receptors. This means that unlike barbiturates, benzodiazepines or alcohol which enhance the effect of GABA binding to the receptor (allosteric modulators) it can activate GABAA receptors by itself.

you have to heat them to convert the ibotenic acid into muscimol.






I'd be super interested to know if it makes a difference to your OCD. Please post :smile:


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23635455 - 09/11/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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They are extremely magical.




I've heard amanitas give some people really vivid dreams, is this true for you? Or I guess anyone here.


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23636946 - 09/11/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yes in my case they grant revelations about the nature of the dream world.


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23637142 - 09/11/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Revelations? But does it actually cause dream potentiation like say datura or melatonin? I understand it may have a kind of dreamy feel as well though but does it actually cause more dreams?


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23637231 - 09/11/16 09:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i havent tried datura or melatonin but it can cause a multitude of effects on dreams depending on dose and how soon after taking it you fall asleep


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: littlespider]
    #23637694 - 09/12/16 05:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I will. You have OCD? The GABA is known to be the neurotransmitter to work on when it comes to OCD so I think Amanita should be a good candidate. So is Kava.

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Sounds GHB-like as well...regarding the effect on the GABA.

I had suffered from OCD half my life and the GABA receptor is known to be the one that needs to be agonized for OCD to disappear. I shall wait and see what its effects are and if it can help with OCD.

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muscimol is a true agonist at GABAA receptors. This means that unlike barbiturates, benzodiazepines or alcohol which enhance the effect of GABA binding to the receptor (allosteric modulators) it can activate GABAA receptors by itself.

you have to heat them to convert the ibotenic acid into muscimol.






I'd be super interested to know if it makes a difference to your OCD. Please post :smile:




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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: CLIT]
    #23637695 - 09/12/16 05:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Regarding effect on dreams, wouldn't calea zacatechichi be more ideal for this as it is the "premiere" dream herb?


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: CLIT]
    #23637712 - 09/12/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23086022

This study suggests that it has effects on OCD.


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23637990 - 09/12/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It definitely has GABA effects but in my opinion, the effects are too psychedelic and unpredictable to take it purely as a GABA drug. I mean I'm not saying it can't help OCD it very well might, but its like LSD in that you can have one trip that is one way and another trip that is totally different. That's why I have never felt like thinking in terms of neurotransmitters explains the effects of psychedelics that well. The effects are so variable and dependent on set and setting that knowing about neurotransmitters and brain receptors doesn't tell you a whole lot.

Kava on the other hand as mentioned has GABA effects and is a lot more predictable than amanita.


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Re: is amanita muscaria a form of magic mushroom or not? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23646280 - 09/15/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

But generally speaking psyches are supposed to be good for depression and other psychiatric illnesses. Since psilocybin is more serotonergic, I'd assume Amanita would slightly differ. I haven't yet looked into this what neurotransmitter it affects. From what I understand the GABA does affect a variety of other neurotransmitter. I think the GABA is like the biggest neurotransmitter therefore it can affect others that goes through the GABA, like GHB does affect the GABA mainly but also dopamine and serotonin (according to the GHB book). Plus the GHB receptor as well.


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