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 divineconspiracy
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 Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics. Update: it's spreading 
#23626740 - 09/08/16 06:36 PM (8 years, 4 days ago) |
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Today I noticed these brown lines at the base of these stems. Is this ok? I searched but couldn't get a straight answer as to whether it is bacteria, fungi, or nothing...
   
Edited by divineconspiracy (09/09/16 12:47 AM)
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 Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: divineconspiracy]
#23626783 - 09/08/16 06:46 PM (8 years, 4 days ago) |
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That's nothIng to worry about. It's completely normal. You're RH may be a little low but others than that they will mature nicely.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: sigmachine]
#23627696 - 09/09/16 12:45 AM (8 years, 4 days ago) |
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I appreciate your input, and I have seen shroom with fainter marks like that before, however I'm even more concerned now because the brown has rapidly become darker and it's eating into the fuzzy feet... I know fuzzy feet is not good but the way its all patchy with the brown stuff seems even worse... this is my first grow. These are the biggest shrooms I've had yet, hope I don't have to get rid of them... also some more details about these shrooms... they were in vitro pins in a fully colonized jar. There was an ugly fat abort next to them I picked. I will post a pic of it too.
   
Maybe they are like stretch marks, or where the fuzz used to be?
Edited by divineconspiracy (09/09/16 01:05 AM)
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: divineconspiracy]
#23627722 - 09/09/16 01:11 AM (8 years, 4 days ago) |
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It's not "eating" into the mycelium. This is a pattern in the mycelium due to low RH for an extended period. The pattern you're seeing is caused by the mycelium "tearing" essentially because it grows faster than the capacity the Myc allows.
It really isn't a big deal. The fuzzy feet aren't a big deal either.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: divineconspiracy]
#23627730 - 09/09/16 01:16 AM (8 years, 4 days ago) |
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fuzzy around the feet is ok. if it's fuzzy on the cake kinda looks like cauliflower then it's more than likely contam. but I had the same problem on stems when my rh was low.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: DocShamen] 1
#23627743 - 09/09/16 01:24 AM (8 years, 4 days ago) |
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Mad Season said:
I'm actually shocked nobody has said either verticillium or pseudomonas bacteria..
Both of those cause the brown spots at the base of the stem, and are also edible. I'd still dry them in a dehydrator before ingesting tho.
Oh and yeah, they do spread like fuckin insane bitches. Especially when there's low FAE, and lots of misting. What is your chamber like?
I wonder how many times I have to ID vert before people actually start calling it vert instead of saying it's normal or whatever.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: Mad Season]
#23627755 - 09/09/16 01:34 AM (8 years, 4 days ago) |
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Mad Season said:
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Mad Season said:
I'm actually shocked nobody has said either verticillium or pseudomonas bacteria..
Both of those cause the brown spots at the base of the stem, and are also edible. I'd still dry them in a dehydrator before ingesting tho.
Oh and yeah, they do spread like fuckin insane bitches. Especially when there's low FAE, and lots of misting. What is your chamber like?
I wonder how many times I have to ID vert before people actually start calling it vert instead of saying it's normal or whatever.
Ah, guess I've never had experience with vert. Looked like normal tearing to me.
Listen to Mad season. He knows what he's talking about OP
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: Mushierage]
#23627764 - 09/09/16 01:39 AM (8 years, 4 days ago) |
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Y'know maybe I'm being harsh. I had a tough time getting vert down too when I was new. I've seen some of my old posts I wanna just facepalm myself and say that I really didn't know shit lol. Vert is actually very easy to ID tho. Split and twisting stems, funky rose comb/hairlip caps, grey caps, and brown spotting stems. Vert is basically only able to thrive in low fae, so op needs to work on his fae, as seen by his fuzzy feet.
Lucky for him they're still edible. Some of the craziest best trips came from fruits like that
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: Mad Season]
#23627862 - 09/09/16 02:59 AM (8 years, 4 days ago) |
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very interesting read. mine occurred when I stop misting for 2 days happened to me once with a penis shape fruit.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: DocShamen]
#23627884 - 09/09/16 03:19 AM (8 years, 4 days ago) |
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It doesnt look so bad. Fan it and water it more
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: tump]
#23628385 - 09/09/16 08:42 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Thanks for all the responses. I have some questions for Mad Season... is it verticillium, or pseudomonas? What is the difference?
When I read your post last night I picked those fruits, it's was about that time anyway. Now they are in the dehydrator and I hope they will be ready for me to trip later! However I am still hoping to have some more contam free fruits to share...
have you ever been able to recover from this or is my sgfc going to have infected fruit from now on? I have been making sure to fan but now I am seeing signs on other otherwise nice looking young shrooms...
What flush did you see it in?
Do you know if it infects the cakes as well or just fruits?
Edited by divineconspiracy (09/09/16 08:46 AM)
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: divineconspiracy]
#23628392 - 09/09/16 08:47 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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It doesn't go away. Start over and clean everything with a sanitizer after cleaning with a disinfectant. Clean the whole room. Do not spray or mist anything.
It's pseudomonas bacteria.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: bodhisatta]
#23628403 - 09/09/16 08:52 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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I just recently started having the same peoblem...a few of my caps on mature shrooms look exactly like those pics. Good thing my cakes are pretty much spent and the SGFC will be retired for now as I move into tubs
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: Peteyboy] 1
#23628413 - 09/09/16 08:58 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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yeah be careful with that shit, dont mist those fruits so it spreads.
And be careful who you take advice from! lots of people here just love to guess even tho they got no clue whats going on!
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: spacechildo]
#23628419 - 09/09/16 09:00 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Is this bacteria from the inoculation stage and was colonized in the cake or is it something that comes afterward from sitting in the open air of the SGFC?
Edited by Peteyboy (09/09/16 09:01 AM)
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: bodhisatta]
#23628421 - 09/09/16 09:01 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Here's the interesting thing. Verticillium and pseudomonas can show up together. With plain old verticillium the mushrooms will get a "harelip" along the cap, and sometimes the stipe will split and crack. Those pics look more like pseudomonas aka bacterial blotch, but it doesn't mean verticillium isn't also present. Whatever you do, OP, don't mist them. Verticillium spores are super motile and super sticky. If it is just pseudomonas, removing the affected shrooms, dropping your humidity, and increasing air circulation will knock it down.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: spacechildo]
#23628430 - 09/09/16 09:03 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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I'd be willing to bet his contamination has been in the cakes right from day one. Right out of the syringe. They spread also in the spores of fruit bodies, so his print could have been contaminated. OP I'd recommend getting into agar to prevent things like this from happening.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: NumeroEno]
#23628432 - 09/09/16 09:04 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Here ya go.
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Let it grow! Let it grow! Greatly yield!
What shall we say, shall we call it by a name
As well to count the angels dancing on a pin
Water bright as the sky from which it came
And the name is on the earth that takes it in DOG FOOD AGAR MY ELECTRIC INOCULATION LOOP
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: NumeroEno]
#23628433 - 09/09/16 09:05 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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TMCs contamination area is about the only thing I thoroughly enjoyed while reading it.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: Mad Season]
#23628438 - 09/09/16 09:07 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Sooo happy I got into agar...it's way easier then you think!!
OP I highly suggest from one newb to another for you to take the agar leap! You won't be disappointed!
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: Mad Season]
#23628476 - 09/09/16 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Mad Season said:
TMCs contamination area is about the only thing I thoroughly enjoyed while reading it.
Yeah a lot of it is outdated and only useful for knowledge of cultivation theory, but that contam guide is pure gold. I've got PDFs of TMC and GGMM on my phone for quick reference.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: Mad Season]
#23628478 - 09/09/16 09:29 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Thanks everyone... it might have been from the syringe from the person who made it. This is my first time growing shroooms. I have harvested 22g dry and seen some weirdos in there. There was one harelip, some holes in the caps, stems that were open. I have not seen the brown lines, maybe a way fainter smaller version. Never anything like that weird shaped abort I picked, which was an invitro pin and shaped like that in the jar. Never seen splitting until last night when I picked those and while trying to pick verm off them noticed that the surface looked like it was beginning to separate to split...
Agar is in my near future. Should I try to clone these sick shrooms? I did get 4 spore prints from some nice shrooms with no sign of this contam. So will I be able to sort myc from contam in the agar? Y'all ever seen what color it is?
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: divineconspiracy]
#23628485 - 09/09/16 09:32 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22020260
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blindingleaf said:
here is a good pic of a hidden contam.
its verticillium fungicola and its a white mold.
it was a nuisance to me for many months.
found out it was riding on the myc, but would not show itself until a week+ after full colonization of plate.
top left is vert only
top right is vert + cube mycelium after plate consolidated for a week or two
bottom plate is healthy cube mycelium after 2 week consolidation.
note the intertwined plate has a 3d fuzz look to it. starts in the middle, and works its way out
And bacteria is pretty obvious to spot.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: Mad Season]
#23628508 - 09/09/16 09:42 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Ok so looks like this will be a time consuming process but it will work eventually...? love your contam art btw Mad Season 
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: divineconspiracy]
#23628509 - 09/09/16 09:43 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Yeah that's a fantastic frigging post
Props to you MadSeason and thank you
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: Peteyboy]
#23628542 - 09/09/16 09:55 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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My shrooms smell faintly like some old roses that should have been thrown out yesterday... is this the contam too? I am not experienced with the smell of shrooms.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: divineconspiracy]
#23628614 - 09/09/16 10:26 AM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Just finished reading the hidden contams thread. Thank you for that Mad Season! im grateful that y'all have been through these things before and made it here to share knowledge. There is hope.....
I will be using the premade plates like you talked about. Haven't made an SAB yet though.
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Re: Little brown line scales at bottom of stem. Pics [Re: Peteyboy]
#23629150 - 09/09/16 02:02 PM (8 years, 3 days ago) |
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Peteyboy said:
Is this bacteria from the inoculation stage and was colonized in the cake or is it something that comes afterward from sitting in the open air of the SGFC?
Both, and it spreads easy.
Vert isn't even known as vert anymore by the way. It's lecanicillium
The last post I made in this thread with the pictures. None of those had vert spores or hyphae under microscopy only psedo
Pseudo fruits are usually wet. Pseudo fruits should be pretty dry
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