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Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution
#23625475 - 09/08/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Title says it all. Brief and concise. Is there a difference between total ego death and partial ego death? Or is it all ego death just the same? Are there varying levels of the experience?
I've only had it happen once. I watched myself dying. No contact with my body. Stripped of everything. I even remember the smell of latex, seeing ambulance lights, it was so fucking real. Then before I knew it i let go and came back down in my bed a few hours later. I remember all of my cognitive processes being reassembled from scratch slowly over the course of the next few hours.
Life is different now. While I can say ive gained positive attributes since this trip I still am much very aware my ego is still there. I'd love to blast and shatter it into infinity. Do you come out as a different person entirely? I think I only experienced it partially.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: new2shroomzz]
#23626304 - 09/08/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ego loss is basically just a massive drop in ego but you're still you and you're still aware of yourself and have the ability to think and remember where you come from and such; it's usually extremely humbling.
Ego death however is when the sense of self temporarily ceases to exist and you don't know who or even what you are and you have no memories and typically you lose the ability to have thoughts. In other words you just become awareness and nothing but awareness.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23627569 - 09/08/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Ego death however is when the sense of self temporarily ceases to exist and you don't know who or even what you are and you have no memories and typically you lose the ability to have thoughts. In other words you just become awareness and nothing but awareness.
I have taken some psychs to the max, and I still don't understand this whole ego death thing. Anytime I have no memories of anything (whether it be what's been happening in trip, or my name), I can't even remember seeing, hearing, or doing anything. In other words I'm basically blacked out, because I'm tripping so insanely hard, I have no memory of the now, or what happened in the now when it's done. It's just a blank period of time.
You also say you typically lose the ability to have thoughts. I always am having thoughts while tripping on dmt, mushrooms,salvia, or lsd. I could be stuck in some crazy trip on a crazy thought string, not thinking about anything normal. Or I guess I could be as far gone as I explained above, where I have no memory of any thoughts. I however would still imagine something was thought, unless I'm unconscious. I have heard some accounts from friends of what I was doing/saying in some of these "no memory" phases.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: bigbitch]
#23627831 - 09/09/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23545964
I made a post about this a while back I beleive there is two kinds of ego death
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: bigbitch]
#23628654 - 09/09/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bigbitch said: I have taken some psychs to the max, and I still don't understand this whole ego death thing. Anytime I have no memories of anything (whether it be what's been happening in trip, or my name), I can't even remember seeing, hearing, or doing anything. In other words I'm basically blacked out, because I'm tripping so insanely hard, I have no memory of the now, or what happened in the now when it's done. It's just a blank period of time.
You also say you typically lose the ability to have thoughts. I always am having thoughts while tripping on dmt, mushrooms,salvia, or lsd. I could be stuck in some crazy trip on a crazy thought string, not thinking about anything normal. Or I guess I could be as far gone as I explained above, where I have no memory of any thoughts. I however would still imagine something was thought, unless I'm unconscious. I have heard some accounts from friends of what I was doing/saying in some of these "no memory" phases.
I don't know as far as I know when people experience ego death they can no longer think and are from that point on simply awareness. There's no "you" there for you to even think about anything, if you can think that usually means your personality (sense of self) is still in tact. Also you can still see while experiencing ego death.
I remember watching Scary Movie 4 while having ego death and I could still clearly see Ana Faris's face. You still have awareness just no 'self'. Many people who have ego death on mushrooms and DMT claim they lose the ability to have thoughts.
Some people however claim DMT does't at all effect their thoughts.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23628896 - 09/09/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've taken 1 mg twice and 1.5 mg twice and I remember everything. You're telling me I don't experience ego death? No I would say there has to be some kind of levels to the experience as well as a familiarity with the experience as in being there often enough will bring out more
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: Mike4aco]
#23629028 - 09/09/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ego death's primary effect is on long term memory. Not trying to say what you did or didn't experience just saying that's what it's regarded as.
This is why a lot of people say ego death is extremely unlikely to happen on cannabis because it pretty much exclusively effects short term memory only. Drugs that effect long term memory are what can give you ego death. It usually starts off by eliminating long term cultural "memories".
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23631152 - 09/10/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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AuroraBorealis88 said: I don't know as far as I know when people experience ego death they can no longer think and are from that point on simply awareness. There's no "you" there for you to even think about anything, if you can think that usually means your personality (sense of self) is still in tact.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Ego death's primary effect is on long term memory. Not trying to say what you did or didn't experience just saying that's what it's regarded as.
This is why a lot of people say ego death is extremely unlikely to happen on cannabis because it pretty much exclusively effects short term memory only. Drugs that effect long term memory are what can give you ego death. It usually starts off by eliminating long term cultural "memories".
That second quote makes more sense, I can see myself kind of forgetting long term memories on crazy doses of psychs. I've also had them jumbled up before too though. I remember once on this crazy dose of dmt, where I did black out for a period, I thought I lived on a street I grew up as a kid at. A street I had almost forgotten the name of sober.
I definitely notice ego dissolution on even a small dosage of lsd. This whole ego death thing is still slightly confusing. That first quote about not being able to think really gets me. What's the difference between thinking and awareness? I remember I was stuck on a bed once on bunches of lsd, and I was just admiring the visuals. I wasn't really thinking about anything normal, but I kept thinking stuff like" wow this is cool" or trying to make something out of the visuals. I still think if someone walked in and asked me my name, I would know my name, and that I was a human being. If not knowing your name and that you're a human, is ego death, then ego death means you've gone completely insane lol.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: bigbitch]
#23631187 - 09/10/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There are levels to ego dissolution.
The first is splitting of the ego. Where a person no longer identifies as a single personality, but rather as an amalgam of two or more objects that would normally be considered distinct.
The ego then splits into greater and greater numbers of normally distinct objects until the number objects exceeds the person's ability to comprehend it. That's when ego death occurs.
The process can happen very quickly, and even take the form of an instantaneous jump from identifying as an individual personality to complete ego death, or identification with an incomprehensible number of distinct objects which often feels like being one with the universe as a whole (or at least every object within the universe that you can conceive of at once); it can happen more slowly, or just partially, such that the process can be observed by the person experiencing it.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: bigbitch]
#23631189 - 09/10/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bigbitch said: I can see myself kind of forgetting long term memories on crazy doses of psychs.
It's probably happened a lot to you without you even noticing. There's so much going on during a psychedelic experience so some very big components can slip right by you. Usually if someone is having ego death they aren't speaking if even able to speak at all so if someone asks you your name you probably won't be able to tell them it. If you can still understand normal human language you're probably not experiencing ego death.
Ego death is usually very temporary on trips and usually only lasts a few minutes maybe a lot longer depending on dosage but they can be really short is what I'm saying and people can be so gone that they just don't consciously process it or bring it back with them. There's a lot of stuff your conscious mind won't hold onto when you come back down to earth therefore you don't really "remember" it.
There's a pretty big difference between thinking and awareness because it's you that's thinking and when I say you I simply mean your personality, everything you've gained in your human lifetime and all the memories you have of everything that all disappears when you kill the ego or the sense of self. That is your ego; your human personality not your "true self". I put it in quotes because it's obviously not a proven fact or anything but many people describe that awareness beneath the human personality/ego to be your one and only true "self" and that you will always be this awareness and you will always stem from it in all lifetimes forever and ever. At least what people believe.
Awareness is simply awareness and it has no point to prove or anything it's just aware. Nothing is good or bad and there is no one there to even create a reality or to recall a single thing "you" are simply in and with everything else and you are aware of it. No personality to even formulate thoughts.
I heard a girl on youtube describe ego death on her DMT trip pretty well she said all her long term memories like her family, friends, herself, the fact that she'd taken the drug etc. just flew right out the window and she described it as once again not being able to have thoughts or internal dialogue in anyway she was simply "aware" that she was 'dead'. She described it as just "knowing".
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (09/10/16 12:57 AM)
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23631213 - 09/10/16 01:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bigbitch said: I can see myself kind of forgetting long term memories on crazy doses of psychs.
It's probably happened a lot to you without you even noticing. There's so much going on during a psychedelic experience so some very big components can slip right by you. Usually if someone is having ego death they aren't speaking if even able to speak at all so if someone asks you your name you probably won't be able to tell them it. If you can still understand normal human language you're probably not experiencing ego death.
Ego death is usually very temporary on trips and usually only lasts a few minutes maybe a lot longer depending on dosage but they can be really short is what I'm saying and people can be so gone that they just don't consciously process it or bring it back with them. There's a lot of stuff your conscious mind won't hold onto when you come back down to earth therefore you don't really "remember" it.
There's a pretty big difference between thinking and awareness because it's you that's thinking and when I say you I simply mean your personality, everything you've gained in your human lifetime and all the memories you have of everything that all disappears when you kill the ego or the sense of self. That is your ego; your human personality not your "true self". I put it in quotes because it's obviously not a proven fact or anything but many people describe that awareness beneath the human personality/ego to be your one and only true "self" and that you will always be this awareness and you will always stem from it in all lifetimes forever and ever. At least what people believe.
Awareness is simply awareness and it has no point to prove or anything it's just aware. Nothing is good or bad and there is no one there to even create a reality or to recall a single thing you're simply in and with everything else and you are aware of it. No personality to have thoughts.
I heard a girl on youtube describe ego death on her DMT trip pretty well she said all her long term memories like her family, friends, herself, the fact that she'd taken the drug etc. and she described it as once again not being able to have thoughts or internal dialogue in anyway she was simply "aware" that she was dead. She described it as just "knowing".
Ego death is a psychological term, not a spiritual one. Even though the experience of ego death can be very spiritual, it defies the nature of the term to describe the mechanics of ego death as such.
The basic process of ego death is well understood and clearly defined. Whereas your opinions about the nature of awareness are not formed through the rigorous philosophical processes which are necessary to any scientific endeavor, but rather through personal experience and anecdotal accounts.
Although it is perfectly valid for you to hold your opinions and to express them, it is not fair of you to impose them onto another person's understanding of the fundamental principle being discussed as though they were truths that you and others have discovered.
The spiritual aspect of ego death is a deeply personal one and each person has the right to form their own opinions about the nature of their own personal journey into the realm of the dissolution of individuality.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: healing]
#23631225 - 09/10/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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healing said: Ego death is a psychological term, not a spiritual one.
Lmfao what? When the heck did I ever say it was a spiritual term? In no way shape or form is it a spiritual term man. That doesn't even make sense. Ego death is a biological process and nothing more; the ego is a survival mechanism and simply a result of biology alone.
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The basic process of ego death is well understood and clearly defined. Whereas your opinions about the nature of awareness are not formed through the rigorous philosophical processes which are necessary to any scientific endeavor, but rather through personal experience and anecdotal accounts.
No shit
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Although it is perfectly valid for you to hold your opinions and to express them, it is not fair of you to impose them onto another person's understanding of the fundamental principle being discussed as though they were truths that you and others have discovered.
People can express their opinions however they want because it's their opinion. I'm generalizing btw.
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The spiritual aspect of ego death is a deeply personal one and each person has the right to form their own opinions about the nature of their own personal journey into the realm of the dissolution of individuality.
That makes no sense in this context and technically doesn't even relate.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23631239 - 09/10/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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healing said: Ego death is a psychological term, not a spiritual one.
Lmfao what? When the heck did I ever say it was a spiritual term? In no way shape or form is it a spiritual term man. That doesn't even make sense. Ego death is a biological process and nothing more; the ego is a survival mechanism and simply a result of biology alone.
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The basic process of ego death is well understood and clearly defined. Whereas your opinions about the nature of awareness are not formed through the rigorous philosophical processes which are necessary to any scientific endeavor, but rather through personal experience and anecdotal accounts.
No shit
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Although it is perfectly valid for you to hold your opinions and to express them, it is not fair of you to impose them onto another person's understanding of the fundamental principle being discussed as though they were truths that you and others have discovered.
People can express their opinions however they want because it's their opinion. I'm generalizing btw.
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The spiritual aspect of ego death is a deeply personal one and each person has the right to form their own opinions about the nature of their own personal journey into the realm of the dissolution of individuality.
That makes no sense in this context and technically doesn't even relate.
That's the only way I can see any connection between what you were saying and the process of ego death. Because literally nothing you said has any connection to the process of ego death. So all of it is simply your opinion about what you personally have felt during ego death that you're expressing. So pretty much the equivalent of your personal spiritual beliefs.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: healing]
#23631245 - 09/10/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is not just my own personal experience by any means. I would never speak just for myself and plus that was just a generalization; more of a layout not some kind of map or something or the exact thing itself. Everything I said relates directly to ego death btw so not sure what you're saying here.
This isn't the equivalent of anything spiritual because it doesn't inherently entice greater meaning or purpose in anything and it's certainly not being alluded to being anything supernatural.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23631251 - 09/10/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That if that's your understanding of the process of ego death, then you need to do a bit more studying before you try to teach people about the process of ego death, because you are not informed. You are just expressing unrelated beliefs as if they were somehow integral to the understanding of ego death.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: healing] 1
#23631285 - 09/10/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I had ego death through meditation . Just as simple as meditating for so long until you reach that state
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: healing]
#23631701 - 09/10/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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healing said: That if that's your understanding of the process of ego death, then you need to do a bit more studying before you try to teach people about the process of ego death, because you are not informed. You are just expressing unrelated beliefs as if they were somehow integral to the understanding of ego death.
You've got to be kidding me 
First off get an education and actually learn this stuff because you clearly don't know jack shit and second off that wasn't me explaining ego death genius. If you think that was actually me explaining what ego death is I feel terribly bad for you lol.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23632572 - 09/10/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmm, well I'm not going to get in the middle of this ego death thing, because I entered this thread still confused on what the definition of ego death is. The definition you gave me this time though healing, made more sense to me. That definition I got from you on a previous thread really was over my head. I have felt like I've become one with something or the universe, or with music, etc. So if that is ego death, then I think I finally understand it.
On another note, what aura is describing as ego death, while different than what healing described, is starting to make sense. It's still kind of difficult for me to put together, and like he said idk if I would be able to notice that his definition of ego death is occurring during a trip or not.
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Re: Ego Death/Dissolution/Partial Ego Death/Dissolution [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23632612 - 09/10/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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healing said: That if that's your understanding of the process of ego death, then you need to do a bit more studying before you try to teach people about the process of ego death, because you are not informed. You are just expressing unrelated beliefs as if they were somehow integral to the understanding of ego death.
You've got to be kidding me 
First off get an education and actually learn this stuff because you clearly don't know jack shit and second off that wasn't me explaining ego death genius. If you think that was actually me explaining what ego death is I feel terribly bad for you lol.
My bad, dude. I was misreading your statements.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: That is your ego; your human personality not your "true self". I put it in quotes because it's obviously not a proven fact or anything but many people describe that awareness beneath the human personality/ego to be your one and only true "self" and that you will always be this awareness and you will always stem from it in all lifetimes forever and ever. At least what people believe.
This is the specific part I was referring to, the part that you clearly acknowledge to be a belief.
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