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qman said:No where did anyone say blacks in Africa should have the same opportunity as blacks in the US.
Well I say they should, but baby steps. And there are plenty of people out there trying.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Skellies]
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austothehun said: Seeing that most historical injustices have present day ramifications, why shouldn't we have reparations for family members who die in unjust wars? If a bunch of fathers/breadwinners die in a war their children and their future offspring are left in a pretty bad situation. Many working class families may be a lot better off today if it wasn't for such historical injustices.
offspring left in a "pretty bad situation"?? really?
While what you say is true.. having a father die is not the same as millions being forcibly taken from another country, where millions die along the way, to then be treated as nothing more than property for centuries and when emancipation finally comes, you still have to start your new life being treated as degenerate/subhuman for another couple of hundred years.
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qman said: Paying for the slave, housing them, feeding them and giving them free health care is much more expensive than paying .40 cents per hour to someone in Vietnam in the year 2016.
In fact, accounting records showed that owning slaves was not very profitable after the price of cotton declined, it was more for ego and show than money.
aaahhh man youre right, those slaves were living the dream and should have been grateful, hey?!
who cares about being forced from your country, denied freedom or humanity for centuries etc, at least they got free healthcare, food and a roof over their head, right?!?! 
really, qman? really??
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
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qman said: Paying for the slave, housing them, feeding them and giving them free health care is much more expensive than paying .40 cents per hour to someone in Vietnam in the year 2016.
In fact, accounting records showed that owning slaves was not very profitable after the price of cotton declined, it was more for ego and show than money.
aaahhh man youre right, those slaves were living the dream and should have been grateful, hey?!
who cares about being forced from your country, denied freedom or humanity for centuries etc, at least they got free healthcare, food and a roof over their head, right?!?! 
really, qman? really??
No one is trying to justify the actions of the slave owners, all I'm stating is that there's even worst compensation being paid for labor today.
With that being said, slavery is still worst than paying someone lower wages in a third world nation today, at least they still have more freedom.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said: offspring left in a "pretty bad situation"?? really?
While what you say is true.. having a father die is not the same as millions being forcibly taken from another country, where millions die along the way, to then be treated as nothing more than property for centuries and when emancipation finally comes, you still have to start your new life being treated as degenerate/subhuman for another couple of hundred years.
Many immigrant populations that arrived with no wealth were treated as "subhuman" throughout American history (Irish, Italian, and Chinese come to mind). Where are their calls for reparations?
Either way, on an individual level, a father dying during childhood has a similar effect. Having to work all day, in a position lower than you father with no advancement opportunity, would kill someones life opportunities and drop the family's social class significantly. Thus, the child's offspring (being born poor) would have far less opportunities then they would have had otherwise.
Unless your argument is that being non black inherently grants you more opportunities then there is no reason to prioritize reparations for the descendants of slaves over the descendants of war victims.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Skellies]
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youre ignoring the rest of what slaves went through. were irish, italians and chinese bought and sold like cattle generation after generation?
If you can understand how having a dead breadwinner might put their children at a disadvantage, how can you not understand the gravity of that happening generation after generation after generation etc to people treated as property for centuries?
Yes, of course, being white grants you more opportunities because the power structure is one of white supremacy!!
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Tipote]
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Tipote said: youre ignoring the rest of what slaves went through. were irish, italians and chinese bought and sold like cattle generation after generation?
What matters isn't what happened over the course of many generations but the effects of what happened. My argument is that, on an individual level, a broke Chinese immigrant was in a condition slimier a post-emancipation slave. Due to injustices out of their control both had no money, no familial wealth to rely upon, and dealt with constant racism. A recently freed slave's family history placed his lifestyle in a comparable position to that of a newly arriving immigrant.
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Tipote said: Yes, of course, being white grants you more opportunities because the power structure is one of white supremacy!!
Is being white in and of itself granting someone more opportunities or is it being born into a better off family? No ones giving career opportunities to people in trailer parks just because they're white.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman] 2
#23624035 - 09/07/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you have a link on laborers today being treated worse than slaves were? The same argument was being made in the ante bellum period, but then, as now, there are doubts to this claim.
Slaves were fed gruel and the meat trimmings that don't even make it into the hot dogs today. There was no recourse for beatings and rape. Family members could be separated. There isn't any comparison to any wage workers today. There still are slaves, but there is a difference between them and a factory worker in Bangladesh.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: Skellies]
#23625036 - 09/08/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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austothehun said: What matters isn't what happened over the course of many generations but the effects of what happened. My argument is that, on an individual level, a broke Chinese immigrant was in a condition slimier a post-emancipation slave. Due to injustices out of their control both had no money, no familial wealth to rely upon, and dealt with constant racism. A recently freed slave's family history placed his lifestyle in a comparable position to that of a newly arriving immigrant.
Why does it not matter what happened over generations as well as the effects of what happened?
I think i understand your point but I dont understand why you seem to portray the legacy of slavery was just having no money and facing racism. Again, i think you are undervaluing the implications of centuries of slavery. Yes Chinese immigrants faced a lack of money and racism if youre looking just at that individual level at that one snapshot in time. What about the multiple generations denied freedom and humanity, cultures destroyed, families fragmented, etc over centuries without any compensation for the abuses against them. Surely that has a greater weight on exslaves ontop of the shared struggles of your chinese immigrant example. Slavery denied generation after generation the autonomy to make their own lives, why would that not have a lasting impact? Are the descendants of chinese immigrants disproportionately poor and alienated in the present day? In the global racist structure, blacks are at the bottom. While things have changed massively, there is still a long way to go. Look at the state of native Americans today too!
How many people accept the term African holocaust? Its typically dismissed.
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Tipote said: Yes, of course, being white grants you more opportunities because the power structure is one of white supremacy!!
Is being white in and of itself granting someone more opportunities or is it being born into a better off family? No ones giving career opportunities to people in trailer parks just because they're white.
Both and blacks are at a disadvantage in both regards. Yes there are more opportunities for whites, and if you also come from a wealthier family then the opportunities are even greater. Having opportunities by being white doesnt mean people will be going around trailer parks to give white people jobs. If you are poor and white, you still have fewer struggles than those who are poor and black. There are fewer obstacles to improving your situation. Yes if you are rich and black, you have an advantage that comes with wealth.. but we do not live in a postracial society and even rich black people face racism and therefore missed opportunities because of their race.
But all the statistics of how clearly disproportionately affected black communities are are just swept under the carpet by those (like qman and others) who think its just a sign of how blacks are naturally disadvantaged while ignoring all the conditions that impose disadvantage upon people. When a racist looks at these stats, it doesn't open their eyes, it confirms what they already think about the natural potential of the "black race" - whatever the fuck that means.
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ChemicalSpark said: Has anyone else noticed that the more liberal America has become, the shittier it's gotten?
The U.S was at its peak during the 50's and that was at a time where we didn't pander to the pussies like we do now days.
COINCIDENCE? I think NOT!!!
Lets get back to slapping the bitch out of people. The world will be a better place!

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and you're absolutley right, the more liberal it gets the shittier it gets. no question.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: sprinkles]
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sprinkles said: and you're absolutley right, the more liberal it gets the shittier it gets. no question.
I'm glad you're able to see it for what it is, Sprinkles.
I'm 11 pages into a thread I thought would get little attention.
Needless to say I'm burnt out on the topic, but there's one last vital tid bit to add before I'm on my way.
This one's directed towards you Tipote!

Good Riddance!

 OHHH mannn you just keep proving what I was saying!! All you want here is for an echo chamber. Sprinkles didn't even elaborate on her position or about why she agrees with you or not, she might as well have said "yup". Thats what you wanted tho, a thread of "yups".
Why come to a discussion forum if you can't take discussion with people who have different views from you? and why can you only resort to insults? This says a fuckton more about you than about me.
I hope you are mega impressed with yourself. Congrats!
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Tipote said: youre ignoring the rest of what slaves went through. were irish, italians and chinese bought and sold like cattle generation after generation?
If you can understand how having a dead breadwinner might put their children at a disadvantage, how can you not understand the gravity of that happening generation after generation after generation etc to people treated as property for centuries?
Yes, of course, being white grants you more opportunities because the power structure is one of white supremacy!!
"Being white grants you more opportunities"
You can't quantify that statement.
"the power structure is one of white supremacy"
You can't quantify that statement.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: qman]
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surprise surprise, grand wizard qman doesn't accept that white supremacy is the prevailing and historical power structure in the US
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#23625395 - 09/08/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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would I be correct in guessing that you must have been born in the 90's and this 2nd world shithole is all you know?
it comes down to family values I believe. One problem is selfish women rampantly having kids out of wedlock regardless if the man wants them. No one bats an eye at the immorality of sex without consequences and porn and everything else. You have single women raising kids (boys) while trying to work and be a good parent (feminism ruined this country) is impossible. You can only do one of them well. So many women try to trap men with kids they dont want and women need something to love them because most dont love or value themselves. This is just one thing that's wrong with this shithole. I wont get into any more cause i could take all day.
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Tipote said: surprise surprise, grand wizard qman doesn't accept that white supremacy is the prevailing and historical power structure in the US
So white supremacy is the prevailing power structure in the US?
Can you point out any current laws that show this promote this white supremacy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy
Lets see how the phrase is defined- "promotion of the belief, that white people are superior..."
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who cares about color. this is Amexica, people are stupid regardless what color they are. As amexicans we have a wide range of alpine people to charcoal black people. No one cares.
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sprinkles said: who cares about color. this is Amexica, people are stupid regardless what color they are. As amexicans we have a wide range of alpine people to charcoal black people. No one cares.
"who care about color"
Mostly liberals who scream racism every two seconds.
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Re: The Good Ol' Days [Re: sprinkles]
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sprinkles said: would I be correct in guessing that you must have been born in the 90's and this 2nd world shithole is all you know?
it comes down to family values I believe. One problem is selfish women rampantly having kids out of wedlock regardless if the man wants them. No one bats an eye at the immorality of sex without consequences and porn and everything else. You have single women raising kids (boys) while trying to work and be a good parent (feminism ruined this country) is impossible. You can only do one of them well. So many women try to trap men with kids they dont want and women need something to love them because most dont love or value themselves. This is just one thing that's wrong with this shithole. I wont get into any more cause i could take all day.
Single parents are the bane of society
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