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Lennybernadino
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Re: Amanita Grape TEK (Muscimol Mulled Wine) [Re: ClintMassey]
#23571797 - 08/24/16 04:19 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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ClintMassey said: I come from eastern eurpe and there are shitloads of amanita muscaria growing around here,probably everywhere but I mean shitloads when I say it I read somewhere that in the sunrise morning when the forest are pretty humid amanitas create a cup like caps and the water from the high humidity gets capturesd in the cap and when you drink the water that has accumulated in the cap of the mushrooms you will have beautiful spritual trip and you wont get poisoned or anything like that,it is refered to holy grail or something like that,Idk where I read that it was in some shamanic literature as I can remember,definitively a beautiful and a very scary mushroom to everyone I know,just like datura that grows here,people tried to trip on datura and did some pretty insane stuff when they got stuck tripping on it sorry if I went out of the discussion I just wanted to share the thing about amanita that I read maybe someone else knows a little more about it
As always, science does not understand most of reality and this is especially true with genetics. Many as of yet unkown factors could be at play for example when myceliums of the same species meet they sometimes fight, or hold their space or meld together fusing genetic information and becoming one organism. If the third option happens then thing s like degestion memory of substrates or youthful vigor may be contributed. So in the case of this gian honey mushroom colony, it could be that new colonies created by spores are constantly being createfd fusing with the mother colony and renewing the youthful vigor of the whole mycelium matrix.
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Lennybernadino
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I am trying to make a batch of ambrosia, first batch is cherry, mixed currant juice that i haevested and squeezed and pasteurized i managed to stay between 180-190degrees for an hour higher than 85 is not ideal but this is my first time with stovetop pasteurization, i inoculated it whith a fresh piece of gill , after5 days no visible results so then i groubd some dried cap an inoculated it two days ago and did another batch in pure apple juice.
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Jiemba
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I haven't had any luck making ambrosia so far... mould, mould everywhere! Perhaps my environment is not clean enough?
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tump
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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Jiemba]
#23617231 - 09/06/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whats the juice your using sugar levels and what kind of mold problems
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Lennybernadino
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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: tump]
#23621884 - 09/07/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, In one jar what may have been AM mycelium was growing but the trich showed up too, I think with a better setup...
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Trich really in a flower shape
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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: tump]
#23682232 - 09/27/16 05:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, I'm going to keep an eye open for those fly agarics and make some of that! As a homebrewer/liqueur-mixer, gatherer of wild herbs and mushrooms, selfproclaimed alchemist and oneiromancer (okay, that might be a bit much), this is right up my alley.
Thanks for the insanely detailed post. You're the kind of person that makes this site great.
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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: Jiemba]
#23699457 - 10/02/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jiemba,
This thread is wonderful and the information contained is some of the best I have seen from anyone on this subject in quite some time. I have been finding and experimenting with Amanita Muscaria quite a bit in the last four years and my journey has led me through many different techniques as well as tons of research. I appreciate you sharing what you have shared in regards to the chemistry & neuro-effects of the IA and Muscimol. I too feel that these mushrooms have profound potential as a beneficial herb, yet the issues of toxicity from Ibotenic acid are very real. I would like to share this with everyone, as it offers some interesting insights on converting Ibotenic Acid to Muscimol:
https://www.google.com/patents/US20140004084
It may be that fermentation with bacteria or combination with HCL could be the most effective ways to decarb IA into Muscimol. I think one of the most practical ways to do this would be to culture yogurt or kefir from Amanita Muscaria infused milk.
Love this subject matter and am open to learning & sharing more of what I have found. I also think sun-drying the mushrooms as much as possible is a productive process for the conversion. Looking forward to discussing all of this more!
Cheers!
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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: DT_Rang]
#23798323 - 11/03/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Great info here. Have been about hunting but I have not come across any AM. If I do this season I will be definately trying this and share info. Thanks
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hjalmar
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I saw this claim in the Donald E Teerer ebook:
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When Ibotenic Acid is dried the chemical loses a carbon dioxide molecule and a water molecule to produce Muscimol. This chemical change can be reversed with Carbonated water so do not consume dried Amanita Muscaria or the products of the Grail with Carbonated water (Beer, Soda, or bubbly wine like Champagne).
I have a very hard time swallowing this. The decarboylation cannot be reversed like that, you can't prepare an amino-acid from an aliphatic amine and CO2.
I wonder if any of these ambrosia preparations has been analysed for ibotenic acid or muscimol content?
Edited by hjalmar (11/04/16 07:50 PM)
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Lennybernadino
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Re: amanita muscaria [Re: hjalmar]
#23833202 - 11/14/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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So I made a makeshift still air box, gathered some more A.muscarias and decided to play around with trying to get te fleece to grow. 1rst experiment I started about 6 days ago involved in the SAB split open fresh stems and peeled away strands of mycelium and drop them onto pasteurized 100%apple juice. The lids of the jars where of 3 types to experiment with cleanliness and FAE.one with a hole in it covered with microporous tape, another with a white cotton old baby shirt with the lid screwed over it.and the third with a spongy towel thing secured with a rubber band.3 days later I see signs of growth in the towelly one and 5 out of eight jars failed to float the stem strand and it sank to the bottom As of today the towelly one has heavy bacterial growth covering the top layer but also the most mycelium, the other two are starting to show signs of mycelium, I used an opaquepple juice so I have no idea what is happening with the ones that sank.
todays experiment I pasteurized clear apple juice and some thicker apple black current juice, used a combination of micropourous tape and spongy towel. I placed dried stipes in 4 jars, added a bit of powdered dried whole mushroom in 3 and a wedge of a cap in one. My goal is to get a culture of fleece going, I guess I complicate things I will just add 1/10 dried mushroom to water in a jar and see that I have been wasting my time with nutrients just to get the culture active.
Edited by Lennybernadino (11/14/16 06:17 PM)
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tetrahedral
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Nice one Lenny. I will be following your progress here. Hope you succeed. I have had little opportunity this year to go out hunting and sadly no a.muscaria this year for me.but it's good to see people are trying this and experimenting. I will be definately trying something out next season when I will find so fly agarics. Good luck and keep us posted. Much appreciated
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wtfcrazymofo
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Grape TEK (Muscimol Mulled Wine) [Re: Jiemba]
#23845868 - 11/18/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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-------------------- If you want to eat->https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8553541 Bag sealers are to bulky (my hood isn't that big) https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28622922
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Grape TEK (Muscimol Mulled Wine) [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
#23853653 - 11/21/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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For me, fly agaric is something I don't actively hunt, but stumble upon while running or hiking. So far, I've found 8 very nice ones. Dried them like one would dry other shrooms: first fan dry, then completely dehydrate with desiccant. Before any consumption takes place, I will put them in the oven, already crackerdry or not. Just to be sure.
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Lennybernadino
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Grape TEK (Muscimol Mulled Wine) [Re: Satyr604]
#23856131 - 11/22/16 01:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alright I will make an update. All the jars in which I put stipes in apple juice contaminated but also showed mycelial growth, the contaminant was either trich or penecilum , I sterilized the shit out of it. There are three jars with mycelial growth, two are from the original fresh piece of stem tissue and show really slow growth, I think the microporous tape I use to filter is not allowing enough FAE. the one that has shown a lot of mycelial growth also had some bacteria in it. not sure if i can use it maybe wait and thn do a transfer see if the mycelium eats or kills the bacteria.... Butit was topeped by a kitchen sponge and a rubber band so i thinkI am going to replace the lid twith the two uncontaminated cultures and see f growth can be accelerated by more FAE.
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AndyHinton
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Grape TEK (Muscimol Mulled Wine) [Re: Lennybernadino]
#23899757 - 12/06/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice recipe! I have a question about the base materials. It looks like you're mixing wine and simple syrup, then using what water is present to extract the muscimol. Muscimol isn't very soluble in ethanol.
What about adding brewer's yeast and mushrooms to unsweetened grape juice, then letting the yeast ferment the grape's fructose as well as the mushroom's polysaccharides? According to this lab site, yeast can convert these polysaccharides into glucose.
Fermenting the starches that comprise the mushroom's cell walls may help extract the muscimol more efficiently, especially when the starting water isn't diluted with ethanol. The yeast culture will eventually die of alcohol poisoning, but not before processing the better part of the mushroom's structural components.
Culturing yeast in mushroom water may result in more vigorous strains.
Edited by AndyHinton (12/06/16 06:40 PM)
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Grape TEK (Muscimol Mulled Wine) [Re: AndyHinton]
#24020401 - 01/18/17 03:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been brewing fly agaric and apple cider. Apples seem to be used as a "mask" for fly agaric a lot in myth and legend. They're around at the same time, and I like to wonder about how things used to be done, back in less benighted times.
1. I cut the apples : mushrooms into 1 cm pieces 2:1, cover with water and add a little cider yeast. 2. I brew them for 2 weeks, stirring daily. 3. I then filter the liquid out and ferment it into vinegar for longevity. 4. I also make fly pies etc out of the pulp.
I tried juicing the apples but that batch got contaminated.
A spoonful of the vinegar really makes you feel alive. Muscimol is great for bringing out umami flavours, very similar to MSG but more healthy, so the vinegar works well in salad dressings etc too.
Thanks OP for such an interesting thread. I'll be sure to try it.
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Grape TEK (Muscimol Mulled Wine) [Re: crowseed]
#24020908 - 01/18/17 06:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's some really good info and I love apples, autumn is also coming for us down here soon. So you use your final product just for cooking and not getting high or is this to achieve both?
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Grape TEK (Muscimol Mulled Wine) [Re: NobodyYouKnow]
#24022038 - 01/19/17 05:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Grape TEK (Muscimol Mulled Wine) [Re: NobodyYouKnow]
#24022753 - 01/19/17 11:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I mostly use the fly agaric medicinally, just small amounts to improve cognition and energy. A spoonful of vinegar is perfect for that, but it would be a bit grim to have to drink a glassful of vinegar to get high! I'd stick with plain old dried fly for that.
The Psychoactive Substances Act here in Britain has made selling fly agaric illegal, but there's an exemption for food. I'm not actually selling the vinegar, but may do at some point.
I'd say that the fly agaric and apple cider vinegar does have an extra something that fly agaric tincture doesn't. I'm also interested in exploring applying the vinegar externally for various ills (pain, skin problems - fly agaric is even a folk treatment for radiation burns in Russia). The muscimol is amazing at killing pain and taking muscles out of spasm (it mimics GABA).
Thanks for the encouragement. It's great to find like minded people here
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