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US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees
    #23624740 - 09/08/16 04:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What do you want to be or a wasp?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/sep/04/zika-mosquito-neurotoxin-kills-bees-livelihoods-beekeepers

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US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees


   
  • ‘It kills everything’: conservationist warns over threat to other animals
  • Regulators: ‘clear and public health crisis’ allows use of Naled chemical



‘Have we lost our mind,’ one beekeeper wrote, ‘spraying poison from the sky?’

Huddled around their hives, beekeepers around the south-eastern US fear a new threat to their livelihood: a fine mist beaded with neurotoxin, sprayed from the sky by officials at war with mosquitos that carry the Zika virus.

Earlier this week, South Carolina beekeepers found millions of dead honey bees carpeting their apiaries, killed by an insecticide. Video posted by a beekeeper to Facebook showed thousands of dead insects heaped around hives, while a few survivors struggled to move the bodies of fellow bees.

“This is what’s left of Flowertown Bees,” a despondent keeper says in the video. Company co-owner Juanita Stanley told the Associated Press her farm looked “like it’s been nuked” and estimated 2.5 million bees were killed.

In another Facebook post, South Carolina hobbyist Andrew Macke wrote that he had lost “thousands upon thousands of bees” and that the spraying had devastated his business. “Have we lost our mind,” he wrote, “spraying poison from the sky?”

Around the US, bees and other pollinators contribute an estimated $29bn to farm income. Clemson University’s department of pesticide regulation is investigating the incident.

The program head, Dr Mike Weyman, said that though South Carolina has strict rules about protecting pollinators, county officials were using the neurotoxin, Naled, under a clause exempting them in a “clear and public health crisis”.

More than three dozen people have tested positive for Zika in South Carolina, Weyman said, and officials have made it a priority to prevent local transmissions through the Aedes aegypti mosquito.

“We don’t want one of those mosquitos having a blood meal on an individual we’ve already determined was positive,” Weyman said. “We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that [Zika] is up and running in Florida. If it gets in the mosquito population ... you’re playing catch-up.”

South Carolina’s protocol for Zika infections is to alert local officials of a carrier’s residence, which they “consider a ground zero”, Weyman said. Local authorities then target the local mosquitos in a 200-yard radius, in this case with spray.

Flowertown Bees was listed on local records but not in the state’s voluntary registry of pollinators, according to Weyman. “We know where the big ones are,” he said, “but as you can see this was a fairly large operation and almost right smack dab in the spray path.”

Despite the investigation into what went wrong, the killing has beekeepers worried about what might happen next.

“Everyone that I’ve spoken to has major concerns about the effect” of insecticides, said Jennifer Holmes, vice-president of the Florida State Beekeepers Association and the co-owner of a company with about 300 colonies north of West Palm Beach.

Comparing bees to cows or other pillars of agriculture, she said: “If there was a regulation that allowed some spraying that would kill half of your livestock overnight, how would recover your livelihood?”

Holmes has spent the last week working with beekeepers and state and county officials. The keepers, she said, fear “not just the immediate die-offs, but possible genetic die-offs or sterility” for bees that survive the first sprays.

“We understand the serious threat of possible disease,” she said, “but we also have to maintain our agricultural livelihood.”

A Louisiana beekeeper, who requested anonymity because of work with county officials, added another set of concerns: careless mixture and application of chemicals, mismanagement and long-term imbalance in the ecosystem.

“In order to ‘fix’ the problem,” the keeper said, “it will all have to begin with re-establishing healthy soil that will nourish a healthy plant population that will nourish healthy populations, whether it be the honeybee or a deer.

“Chemical application of any sort creates an imbalance from the ground up, even if a simple mosquito is the target.”

‘We always have the environment in mind’

Pesticide to kill mosquitos is sprayed in Miami Beach

Experts at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and independent universities say Naled is far safer than other chemicals. It breaks down rapidly and, in the very low doses at which it is prescribed, should not pose a risk to humans.

“In Louisiana, we use these products quite frequently to reduce mosquitos, but we don’t see many nontarget effects, because the doses are really small,” said Dr Kirsten Healy, a public health entomologist at Louisiana State University.

“A lot of people don’t realize that we always have the environment in mind. We try to have products that have the lowest possible impact.”

Even the mosquitos targeted “quickly bounce back”, she said. Healy recommended a multi-pronged approach: aerial and ground sprays along with removal of the trash cans, bird feeders and other containers where water pools and mosquitos breed.

Aerial sprays threaten other pollinators. Dennis Olle, director of conservation programs for the North American Butterfly Association, noted the effect of chaotic ocean winds near his office in Miami. “It’s aerial bombing without any sense of being able to lay the chemical down on the target,” he said.

Olle conceded that that he was not a scientist – he is an attorney – but described a 2015 Florida International University study that found Naled application was uneven and harmful to butterflies.

“It kills everything,” he said. “There’s no question that it is highly, highly deleterious to butterflies and other arthropods, even mammals in high enough doses.”

He agreed that door-to-door removal of breeding objects and hand spraying were effective techniques against mosquitos, but worried about repeated low doses of chemicals to both pollinators and his children.

“If they’re killing every mosquito, as they claim, everything else needs to be worried too,” he said. “That’s not rocket science, that’s common sense.”

Olle’s fears have sympathizers in Florida and Puerto Rico, where there have been, respectively, 35 and 13,791 mosquito infections of the Zika virus. Earlier this summer on Puerto Rico, doctors rallied against Naled when the CDC made a last-ditch plea to start spraying. Governor Alejandro García Padilla rejected the proposal in July, citing concerns over possible side effects on humans and other animals.

Puerto Rico was also the site of some of what limited Naled-mosquito research has been performed in the last 30 years. Dr Duane Gubler, a professor at Duke Medical School and an expert in infectious diseases, led that research and found that Naled had mixed results.

“It’s unpredictable,” Gubler said. “We did the whole city of San Juan and it appeared to be somewhat effective in some areas but not others.”

Aedes aegypti mosquitos, Gubler said, were especially difficult targets since they breed inside and under houses, in buckets, tires, puddles or any container with stagnant water.

“There’s some data from Florida that suggests it can be effective where Aedes aegypti mosquitos are primarily outdoor breeders,” he said, “but from my data, it was spotty.”

Like Healy, Gubler recommended a mix of techniques – targeting adults and larvae through habitats and sprays and a partnership between citizens and agencies. “It’s near impossible for any government agency to control all of the mosquitos,” he said.

“It’s a matter of weighing the benefits versus the risks,” he added, noting the critical place of bees, especially, in keeping crops growing.

“If you have to make a decision on whether it protects, say, your pregnant wife from being exposed versus killing a few butterflies, I suspect in most people’s minds it’s probably worth the risk.”





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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #23624755 - 09/08/16 05:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I take honey seriously, I love the stuff, and only buy local so that I can support the people that put in the time/money to make good product.

This sucks seeing stuff like this happen.

Anyway, I don't see how spraying pesticides like this can actually help in the long run.


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: Lucis]
    #23624854 - 09/08/16 06:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"We always have the environment in mind"

Bullfuckin shit. These viruses are designed to weed out the herd, so to speak. I think that zika virus is made up stuff. The damn governments making shit up to keep us all scared like when they invented Al-qaida. I dont lnow no zika or no terrorists.

Damn it Mostly. Its too early to be this pissed off.


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23624857 - 09/08/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:sad: sorry. Awful situation for the bees isn't it, yet something else man is doing that is wiping them out en masse. :shakefist: :facepalm:


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: Mostly_Harmless] * 1
    #23624919 - 09/08/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Terrible terrible terrible. This is absolutely unacceptable. The only good thing i see in all this is ill be dead in a couple of decades. By then things will be way worse and then its up to my grandchildren to clean up thw mess.

You know, i thougght they were breeding male sterile mosquitos. Where are they? Why is it they have to resort to poisons that kill everything else? Kinda like chemotherapy. Kill the cancer and the entire body while your at it. These idiot governmwnts dont know anything.  When will they learn?


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23625179 - 09/08/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Being from S.C it's bad news...
Not only was it bad that we've enslaved the bees, harvest their food source (honey)  and replace it with sugar water... But now we're committing genocide, this shit is fucked up.

I don't support honey but bees are detrimental to our ecosystem as pollinators here in the south, fallowed by butterflies.

I don't think it's a matter of learning it's a matter of backing off and letting nature run it's coarse before we fuck shit up any worse.

We always feel the need to play the role of God...


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: impaired420]
    #23625213 - 09/08/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It was Albert Einstein who said the human race would not survive past 4 years in a world without bees. These "farmers" that exploit bees for a "livelihood" are just as much the problem as anything else.

Boycott major honey suppliers and save the world. If you absolutely must for some reason eat honey please buy locally from small operations who treat their bees like friends not a price tag.


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: Zombi3]
    #23625219 - 09/08/16 09:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly zombi3.

Just skip out honey all together and start using agave.


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: impaired420]
    #23625324 - 09/08/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I guess we will live to see more of these happening.

I am not in the side to blame anyone, is a shitty mechanism that we all as a hole being part of it, some more than others.

As for the honey and the bees, bad or good thing, we will overpass it as everything.

shiiit and i love honey..


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: gopener]
    #23626005 - 09/08/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I am not in the side to blame anyone




There are stories online that the virus was patented by the Rockefeller corp back in the 40's, maybe in is internet crap, but it sounds possible to me.

The virus has been around for years, it seems a bit drastic to be doing this over public fear, unlike you, I will blame away, deservedly or not, they are all evil bastards anyway.


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: impaired420]
    #23626049 - 09/08/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Being from S.C it's bad news...
Not only was it bad that we've enslaved the bees, harvest their food source (honey)  and replace it with sugar water... 




:lolwut: :yeahthatsfunny:


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23626078 - 09/08/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Being from S.C it's bad news...
Not only was it bad that we've enslaved the bees, harvest their food source (honey)  and replace it with sugar water... 




:lolwut: :yeahthatsfunny:




What's so funny? It's exactly what happens.

Do you even know why bees make honey?
www.honey.com/honey-at-home/learn-about-honey/honey-bees-and-pollination

Do some reading and stop shit posting your stupid imgs.


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #23626107 - 09/08/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This sucks. What's the big deal about Zika? I don't see the public health crisis. Or anything that justifies flooding the air with chemicals that will decimate bees, an extremely important animal whose poulation is already falling alarmingly due to CCD.
Maybe I just don't know ebough about Zika, but I fail to understand the risk vs. reward logic behind this.


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: impaired420]
    #23626108 - 09/08/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i wasn't mocking you for pointing out that honey is produced by bees as a food source, i was mocking you for comparing beekeeping to slavery.

makes me wonder if you empathize as much with the plight of the lowly carrot or head of lettuce


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23626120 - 09/08/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i wasn't mocking you for pointing out that honey is produced by bees as a food source, i was mocking you for comparing beekeeping to slavery.

makes me wonder if you empathize as much with the plight of the lowly carrot or head of lettuce




Seriously?
We did enslave them essentially.
Carrots and lettuce?  Bro... That's not even the same thing.

Insects animals and humans are sentient beings they don't deserve to be enslaved and raped of their honey, but that's my opinion.

Produce is just that, they're plants, as far as we know they do not live the same as insects or animals... They do not have the same cells to begin with.. They have cell walls, and produce chloroplast meaning THEY MAKE THEIR OWN FOOD to grow internally.

Plants are not animals bro.


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: impaired420]
    #23626211 - 09/08/16 03:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Plants are alive, and at a cellular level have many of the same structures as animals, like mitochondria.  They are not motile, and are harder to anthropomorphize than animals i admit, but that doesn't give them any less "right" to carry out their life cycles without being brutally murdered.  I chose carrots specifically for my example because the part that you eat is an adapted taproot which swells as a storage mechanism for nutrients, an analog for the bees' honey.  Also, while photosynthetic organisms are called autotrophs, that doesn't mean that they "make their own food" through magic or something.  Energy input from the sun is used to facilitate the breakdown and reconstruction of CO2 and water into sugars.
heres the formula: 6CO2 + 6H2O ------> C6H12O6 + 6O2
Starches and sugars are often stored for later use.  What, you thought that potato plants were storing all that starch underground for YOU?


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23626286 - 09/08/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

just for good measure:


http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/artful-amoeba/dying-trees-can-send-food-to-neighbors-of-different-species/
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To my surprise, I discovered when researching this post that it has been known for a while that trees of different species can communicate with and support one another via their mycorrhizae. I had already known that plants can communicate with unrelated species through the air; plants getting chomped by herbivores release volatile chemicals that are sensed by neighboring plants, who up their defenses pro-actively. But communicating — and even sharing resources — through mutual root fungi was news to me.
In grasses and other non-woody plants, mycorrhizal fungi have been shown to transmit similar warnings that plants are being eaten by insects or attacked by pathogens, and to send food or essential nutrients to neighbors of the same or different species. In plants of the same species, mycorrhizae can transmit phosphorous and nitrogen from dying plants to healthy neighbors. Trimming these small plants has also revealed that the trimmed, stressed plants can send food to healthy neighbors. Mycorrhizae may even be used to transmit “piss off” signals by sending toxins to plants competing for resources nearby. But the type of mycorrhizal networks used in these studies of grasses and non-woody plants (arbuscular mycorrhizae) is very different from the ectomycorrhizae that tend to link woody trees.




http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/PL00008892
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The possibility of communication between plants was proposed nearly 20 years ago, although previous demonstrations have suffered from methodological problems and have not been widely accepted. Here we report the first rigorous, experimental evidence demonstrating that undamaged plants respond to cues released by neighbors to induce higher levels of resistance against herbivores in nature. Sagebrush plants that were clipped in the field released a pulse of an epimer of methyl jasmonate that has been shown to be a volatile signal capable of inducing resistance in wild tobacco. Wild tobacco plants with clipped sagebrush neighbors had increased levels of the putative defensive oxidative enzyme, polyphenol oxidase, relative to control tobacco plants with unclipped sagebrush neighbors. Tobacco plants near clipped sagebrush experienced greatly reduced levels of leaf damage by grasshoppers and cutworms during three field seasons compared to unclipped controls. This result was not caused by an altered light regime experienced by tobacco near clipped neighbors. Barriers to soil contact between tobacco and sagebrush did not reduce the difference in leaf damage although barriers that blocked air contact negated the effect.




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Plant-plant signalling is discussed from a tritrophic perspective, with special reference to results from experiments with a model system consisting of barley, aphids and ladybirds. Experimental support for the following statements is discussed: (1) barley plants communicate via volatile substances and, in certain combinations of genotypes, this communication leads to changes in biomass allocation, (2) communication between barley plants of certain genotypes changes the pattern of host plant acceptance by the bird cherry-oat aphid, Rhopalosiphum padi, (3) odour stimuli from barley and common weeds affect the searching behaviour of the seven-spotted ladybird, Coccinella septempunctata. The results indicate that an active response of the barley plant to exposure to weed Cirsium arvense volatiles may be involved. The tritrophic effects of plant-plant communication in barley add a new dimension to the term allelopathy. Thus, we use the term allelobiosis to denote interactions in which exchange of plant chemicals has an informative value for the receiving plant, and the response of the receiving plant affects its growth strategy, and relations with herbivores and their natural enemies.




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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23626294 - 09/08/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

We could argue about this all day but for the sake of the thread I won't do it. You're entitled to your opinion just like anyone else, just don't go around mocking other people eh?

What you think because you can use Google you're a genius?
I never said plants have any less right to carryout their lives in peace, and it's true without the formula you so eloquently posted we probably wouldn't have breathable to be here arguing right now.

The thing about plants, they're a lot more sustainable than animals, so when you harvest a million carrots they're a million more growing in their place.

What about these bees? Are we growing 2.5m bees right now to facilitate this sudden drop in their population?  No.
Do we have bee seeds we can sow right now?

Not only did we kill millions of bees but who knows what damage was done on the genomeal level like theorised in the article.


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: impaired420]
    #23626494 - 09/08/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We could argue about this all day but for the sake of the thread I won't do it. You're entitled to your opinion just like anyone else, just don't go around mocking other people eh?




but for the sake of the thread you won't do it?  What is this then?

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What you think because you can use Google you're a genius?
I never said plants have any less right to carryout their lives in peace, and it's true without the formula you so eloquently posted we probably wouldn't have breathable to be here arguing right now.




1)I never claimed to be a genius
2)You did in fact say that plants have less right to carry out their lives in peace right here


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The thing about plants, they're a lot more sustainable than animals, so when you harvest a million carrots they're a million more growing in their place.

What about these bees? Are we growing 2.5m bees right now to facilitate this sudden drop in their population?  No.
Do we have bee seeds we can sow right now?




:picard: This just displays a total lack of understanding of animal husbandry and stewardship in general.  Animals and plants both reproduce the same way (sex).  How do you think cattle ranchers replace their herds?  Cow seeds?  What does recruitment rate have to do with "sustainability"?  What, in your mind, makes plants more "sustainable" than animals?
Why are we even venturing into a sustainability argument anyway?  At first you were objecting to bee "slavery" on moral grounds.  Is bee slavery less moral than potato murder?

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Not only did we kill millions of bees but who knows what damage was done on the genomeal level like theorised in the article.




only a tiny fraction of the bees killed are capable of reproduction (the queens and a few males).  The vast majority of those bees killed have no effect on the biodiversity of honeybee populations in general.


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Re: US beekeepers fear for livelihoods as anti-Zika toxin kills 2.5m bees [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23627258 - 09/08/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you truly understand the difference between the two then you'd know the answers to those questions.

www.mcwdn.org/Plants/PlantsDiffer.html

Plants don't necessarily need anything from us, just space, water and sun, not getting to technical about it.

They don't necessarily need to be feed anything, sure they need nutrients and micro nutrients but that's not the same either.

Plants do not have near the capability to feel emotion or pain to the degree of animals.

Potato murder lol. Potatoes aren't kept in cages their whole lives just to be slaughter like cattle, bees are manipulated and controlled by bee keepers for profit or a means to survive, if they didn't produce honey no one would give a fuck about them as far as their "livelyhood" goes.

It's really not the same thing and if you want to view it like that then you have to consume something, plants are the lesser of two evils.


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