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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624657 - 09/08/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

King James was all about that syntax. He wanted The Bible to be legible for practical reasons, not doctored for nefarious purposes.


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624659 - 09/08/16 03:44 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

What do you think faith in God is besides the ultimate humanitarian cause?

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624660 - 09/08/16 03:47 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not a Christian really but I do think that faith in something higher than government is important for a nation to survive without tyranny. Freedom only seems to work for people who can be trusted to govern themselves.




Yes, but who says that something higher has to be religion or even god? Faith in something higher could mean the common good for society, or the desire to distribute peace and food to all classes of society.

That faith could be in a humanitarian cause, a cause greater than themselves.




No wonder your words are always so rife with folly. You're an atheist on a perpetual pilgrimage away from God instead of towards him. I pray that one day you'll turn back to him and accept his gift of salvation through his son Jesus Christ.


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme]
    #23624663 - 09/08/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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What do you think faith in God is besides the ultimate humanitarian cause?




You don't need faith in god to be a humanitarian or a good person. I am compelled to live my life doing charitable acts because of my love for a greater society and for fellow man. If people need religion to be a good person or not murder, then they were never good people to begin with. True, ultimate goodness stems from within.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624671 - 09/08/16 03:55 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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True, ultimate goodness stems from within.




And where do you think that comes from? From you? Where did you come from? The Big Bang? Where did that come from? It's God. It's all God. It always has been and it always will be. Quit trying to take from the glory of God, praising yourself instead. Praise God.


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624674 - 09/08/16 03:58 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Your pointless bifurcation is quite tiresome. This is the problem in conversing with the faithless; endless reductions to false dichotomies and shifting goalposts.
Those who have accepted Christ do understand the possibilities beyond simplistic "us vs them" rhetoric.

No one has said that you would be a bad person for rejection of faith. You will, however, be held accountable at the time of judgement for your denial of Christ.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme]
    #23624680 - 09/08/16 04:02 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

what I don't get is how any of you know all this shit it seems to me like you're pulling it out of your ass


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme] * 1
    #23624683 - 09/08/16 04:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8,9


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: spixce]
    #23624685 - 09/08/16 04:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

To be blunt, you don't strike me as someone who frequently "gets" very much.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme]
    #23624690 - 09/08/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

look who's talking :lol:


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: spixce]
    #23624691 - 09/08/16 04:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's pretty clear that you have an infantile mind.



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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23624695 - 09/08/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

why because I don't believe in your stupid cult?


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23624696 - 09/08/16 04:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

To be skeptical and questioning of authority and powerful religious groups is the sign of a healthy adult mind actually...

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23624699 - 09/08/16 04:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I'm skeptical and questioning of all institutions of man, and God is my authority. We've gone over this already.



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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23624731 - 09/08/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes but the faithless somehow manage to put out more fiction than those of us who believe in so-called "fairytales" and "2nd century mythology", as if somehow critical thought process and faith are not closely intertwined.
I suppose that negative perception can be blamed on the way the American Evangelicals have conducted themselved for years now, but it's like saying all atheists act like Christopher Hitchens.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme]
    #23624757 - 09/08/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes but the faithless somehow manage to put out more fiction than those of us who believe in so-called "fairytales" and "2nd century mythology", as if somehow critical thought process and faith are not closely intertwined.




We don't care if you believe in your private lives.

However, when your beliefs start infringing upon our society, our laws, and our rights, this is when we must interject.

If it were up to PZ he would probably make homosexuality illegal again. We must not and should not justify a society where we base arbitrary laws or unwritten rules on mythological texts from centuries ago. Texts that not everybody follows and certainly requires faith, not evidence and proof, to believe.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624759 - 09/08/16 05:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes but the faithless somehow manage to put out more fiction than those of us who believe in so-called "fairytales" and "2nd century mythology", as if somehow critical thought process and faith are not closely intertwined.




We don't care if you believe in your private lives.

However, when your beliefs start infringing upon our society, our laws, and our rights, this is when we must interject.

If it were up to PZ he would probably make homosexuality illegal again. We must not and should not justify a society where we base arbitrary laws or unwritten rules on mythological texts from centuries ago. Texts that not everybody follows and certainly requires faith, not evidence and proof, to believe.



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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: spixce]
    #23624760 - 09/08/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Certainly if Muslims started demanding Sharia Law and Sharia customs, you guys would object... well, it's the same thing for us. We don't want religion, ANY RELIGION, in our laws or social lives.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624764 - 09/08/16 05:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Still sticking with your 'only religious nuts believe in magical sky daddies' narrative, I see. So much smart. So much rational. You're a real modern day Aristotle.


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23624766 - 09/08/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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In the past, particularly in the 17th and 18th centuries, the term 'rationalist' was often used to refer to free thinkers of an anti-clerical and anti-religious outlook, and for a time the word acquired a distinctly pejorative force (thus in 1670 Sanderson spoke disparagingly of 'a mere rationalist, that is to say in plain English an atheist of the late edition...'). The use of the label 'rationalist' to characterize a world outlook which has no place for the supernatural is becoming less popular today; terms like 'humanist' or 'materialist' seem largely to have taken its place. But the old usage still survives.

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