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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme]
    #23624605 - 09/08/16 03:12 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That was addressed in the post. I'll not repeat myself for the benefit of your empty liberal rhetoric.
The scripture asserts its divinity and thusly its veracity is unquestionable.




Gotta disagree you there. Faith is generally made stronger in the wake of such questioning. God doesn't want us to just blindly accept the Bible. This is one thing that Jews do better than Evangelicals when raising children, tbh. It's a process and our mileages vary.



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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23624606 - 09/08/16 03:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yep, because they were smart enough to know better. They wanted a Godly nation based on Christian (as in God of the Bible) morals and values, not an actual theocracy where gate-keeper Papal douchebags controlled the population using a bastardized Church power structure. They were some very smart, Godly men, indeed. God Bless America.




Which means, they wouldn't want religion in government, or a religious government controlling our lives. Thank you for clarifying what I've been saying.

As for Jefferson, he was a Unitarian who believes in god, but didn't believe in the trinity or of Jesus as the son of god. Jefferson is also the one who pushed for separation of church and state.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme]
    #23624608 - 09/08/16 03:14 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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God does not ask for blind faith, for blind faith is the domain of fools. God asks for your faith and presents you with a complete user's guide on how to live a Righteous life.

All of the proof a reasonable man would need can be found inside of His Book, therefor it can be reasonably concluded that the rejection of faith is in fact illogical.
Doesn't that make sense to you? If you step outside and see the sky is blue, why would you call it purple?




Praise the Lord. Hallelujah!


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme] * 1
    #23624610 - 09/08/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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That was addressed in the post. I'll not repeat myself for the benefit of your empty liberal rhetoric.
The scripture asserts its divinity and thusly its veracity is unquestionable.




Like I said. The most exaggerated and impossible stories perpetuated by the least credible people.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624614 - 09/08/16 03:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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something super extreme said:
That was addressed in the post. I'll not repeat myself for the benefit of your empty liberal rhetoric.
The scripture asserts its divinity and thusly its veracity is unquestionable.




Like I said. The most exaggerated and impossible stories perpetuated by the least credible people.



you can't argue with churchies they just keep repeating the same bs over and over


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: spixce]
    #23624616 - 09/08/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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something super extreme said:
That was addressed in the post. I'll not repeat myself for the benefit of your empty liberal rhetoric.
The scripture asserts its divinity and thusly its veracity is unquestionable.




Gotta disagree you there. Faith is generally made stronger in the wake of such questioning. God doesn't want us to just blindly accept the Bible. This is one thing that Jews do better than Evangelicals when raising children, tbh. It's a process and our mileages vary.






I think questioning is fine, but that ultimately the sanctity of the scripture is infallible.
Personally I have always resolved my crisis of faith through scriptural contemplation and research.

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something super extreme said:
That was addressed in the post. I'll not repeat myself for the benefit of your empty liberal rhetoric.
The scripture asserts its divinity and thusly its veracity is unquestionable.




Like I said. The most exaggerated and impossible stories perpetuated by the least credible people.




I understand your strategy of calling into question the credibility of Divine prophets, but on what do you base this accusation?
Only a Divinely inspired work could have the internal consistency and irrefutable cogency of God's word.

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something super extreme said:
That was addressed in the post. I'll not repeat myself for the benefit of your empty liberal rhetoric.
The scripture asserts its divinity and thusly its veracity is unquestionable.




Like I said. The most exaggerated and impossible stories perpetuated by the least credible people.



you can't argue with churchies they just keep repeating the same bs over and over




I reject the worldly institution of the evangelical and catholic churches for their ineffable sins against God.
The domain of Christ is not in the mortar of man, but inside of each of his true believers.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: spixce]
    #23624618 - 09/08/16 03:20 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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you can't argue with churchies they just keep repeating the same bs over and over




Right? In what other instance would conviction in and of itself be considered valid evidence from which to promote an idea?

"I can run a mile in 2 minutes flat."
"Do you have any evidence?"
"Yes, I wrote a book saying I could, therefore that makes it true."

Erm... :bored:

Just remember, man invented religion, not the other way around. And if people truly believed the word of God, they wouldn't be wearing mixed fabrics or eating shellfish or plowing the fields on a Sunday among other things that are written in the texts.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624621 - 09/08/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Freedom of Religion means Freedom of Religion. The Founding Fathers did not advocate Bondage to Satanism/Satanists. It's all about casting off the shackles and the tyranny of evil men. And we did eventually get around to acknowledging the humanity of black people eventually, using God's divine guidance. Slavery existed all over the world back in them days, not just America. It was the norm, so cut them some slack, okay?


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624622 - 09/08/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Man was "invented", to use such a simple term for the Miracle of Creation, by God, and God's Word was his Gift to Man.
Sinful skeptics continually ignore the divine inspiration behind the words as if scripture was merely a book that someone wrote in a few days.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme]
    #23624623 - 09/08/16 03:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I understand your strategy of calling into question the credibility of Divine prophets, but on what do you base this accusation?
Only a Divinely inspired work could have the internal consistency and irrefutable cogency of God's word.




You are the one that has to prove that any of these stories happened. Because outside of the book itself, there is no evidence for any of it. None.

All these texts were written by men and changed and edited greatly over time. Who even knows if any of the texts are remotely similar to the originals anymore.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme]
    #23624624 - 09/08/16 03:24 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Man was "invented", to use such a simple term for the Miracle of Creation, by God, and God's Word was his Gift to Man.
Sinful skeptics continually ignore the divine inspiration behind the words as if scripture was merely a book that someone wrote in a few days.



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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624626 - 09/08/16 03:26 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

No one believes in biblical literalism except for misguided evangelicals. That was never anything posited by credible disciples of Christ.
There is an abundance of evidence for the existence of God's Only Son.

Choosing to shift your goalposts to protect the integrity of your rejection of God's word is harming nobody but yourself.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: something super extreme]
    #23624635 - 09/08/16 03:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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There is an abundance of evidence for the existence of God's Only Son.




There might be some evidence that he existed (which even in and of itself some theologians refute), but there is no evidence that he is the son of god.

Think about the absurdity of what you're saying. God sends down a son, who is also himself, to be birthed by a virgin mother, to absolve and cleanse the earth of all its sins.

Shouldn't it be plainly obvious to you that this is 2nd century mythology?

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624642 - 09/08/16 03:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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There is an abundance of evidence for the existence of God's Only Son.




There might be some evidence that he existed (which even in and of itself some theologians refute), but there is no evidence that he is the son of god.

Think about the absurdity of what you're saying. God sends down a son, who is also himself, to be birthed by a virgin mother, to absolve and cleanse the earth of all its sins.

Shouldn't it be plainly obvious to you that this is 2nd century mythology?



they'll never see how bs it is bc they've been taught that it's the truth for their whole life


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Crystal G]
    #23624644 - 09/08/16 03:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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All these texts were written by men




Wrong. They were written by God, through man. It's divinely inspired. And King James put a team of linguistic scholars together to sift through the raw documents and painstakingly translate every last word of it. They compared notes and made technical corrections of syntax, so that it could be put into the hands of the common man in plain english. God Bless the printing press as well.


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23624647 - 09/08/16 03:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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All these texts were written by men




Wrong. They were written by God, through man. It's divinely inspired. And King James put a team of linguistic scholars together to sift through the raw documents and painstakingly translate every last word of it. They compared notes and made technical corrections of syntax, so that it could be put into the hands of the common man in plain english. God Bless the printing press as well.



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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: spixce]
    #23624648 - 09/08/16 03:36 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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they'll never see how bs it is bc they've been taught that it's the truth for their whole life




Not in my case. Raised secular and born again, brotha.


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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23624650 - 09/08/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Not a Christian really but I do think that faith in something higher than government is important for a nation to survive without tyranny. Freedom only seems to work for people who can be trusted to govern themselves.

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: Great Scott]
    #23624653 - 09/08/16 03:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Wrong. They were written by God, through man. It's divinely inspired. And King James put a team of linguistic scholars together to sift through the raw documents and painstakingly translate every last word of it. They compared notes and made technical corrections of syntax, so that it could be put into the hands of the common man in plain english. God Bless the printing press as well.




What makes you think that all those people like Moses who supposedly saw images of god weren't delusional or mentally ill or shroomed-out people who were hallucinating? I mean tons of posters on here have claimed to see god on their visions.

The bible has been edited dozens and dozens of times, it wasn't just once to correct the syntax like you supposedly claim. In fact parts of it are still being edited today for political purposes: https://skepticalteacher.wordpress.com/2012/04/22/the-embarrassing-truth-about-the-bible-its-still-being-edited/

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Re: Christians for Jesus and Trump [Re: tHEfLY]
    #23624655 - 09/08/16 03:41 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Not a Christian really but I do think that faith in something higher than government is important for a nation to survive without tyranny. Freedom only seems to work for people who can be trusted to govern themselves.




Yes, but who says that something higher has to be religion or even god? Faith in something higher could mean the common good for society, or the desire to distribute peace and food to all classes of society.

That faith could be in a humanitarian cause, a cause greater than themselves.

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