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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: Lucis]
#23637823 - 09/12/16 07:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those who like being alone are beings who know the all-one.
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"We are all alone, born alone, die alone, and -- in spite of True Romance magazines -- we shall all someday look back on our lives and see that, in spite of our company, we were alone the whole way. I do not say lonely -- at least, not all the time -- but essentially, and finally, alone. This is what makes your self-respect so important, and I don't see how you can respect yourself if you must look in the hearts and minds of others for your happiness." --Hunter S. Thompson
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Love_spirit
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Some people need constant ego confirmation.
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I think being afraid left me when I became comfortable with not knowing who I am.
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: Love_spirit]
#23639249 - 09/12/16 05:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great Hunter quote.
Poor dude went too far with them uppers though. He was basically retarded by the end.
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: beforethedawn]
#23639703 - 09/12/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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beforethedawn said: Great Hunter quote.
Poor dude went too far with them uppers though. He was basically retarded by the end. 
You never go full-blown retard.
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: beforethedawn]
#23640698 - 09/13/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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beforethedawn said: Great Hunter quote.
Poor dude went too far with them uppers though. He was basically retarded by the end. 
From what I've read about him, he went the way he wanted to go. Blowing his brains out in the presence of his grandchildren was a very uncool move, but he clearly gave 0 fucks 
Happiness only real when shared. -- Christopher McCandless (probably only from his sisters novelization tbh)
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: Crumist]
#23641156 - 09/13/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crumist said:
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beforethedawn said: Great Hunter quote.
Poor dude went too far with them uppers though. He was basically retarded by the end. 
From what I've read about him, he went the way he wanted to go. Blowing his brains out in the presence of his grandchildren was a very uncool move, but he clearly gave 0 fucks 
Happiness only real when shared. -- Christopher McCandless (probably only from his sisters novelization tbh)
it's not like he did it right in front of them. not saying it wasn't still a potentially traumatic event for them, but it's different to be a direct witness to the act and to witness the result.
as well, he was very open about how he would go out, if he had his choice. my 65 year old friend's dad did the same thing one evening of a family gathering. he was also pretty open about taking his own life with a pistol. none of them were shocked. the father went out on an up-note with the people he loved nearby at his own home.
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: demiu5]
#23641819 - 09/13/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't say I understand why one would choose shooting themself as the way out, but to each his own. Inert gas (or N2O) asphyxiation or barbituate OD would probably be my preference. Much cleaner, more reliable, perhaps even a hell of a trip.
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: Love_spirit]
#23643478 - 09/13/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Love_spirit said:
Some people need constant ego confirmation.
Of course there's the famous 2013 study published in the journal Science that showed many people, especially men, would rather receive an electrical shock than sit silent in a room alone.
Why would many people rather receive an electrical shock than sit quietly alone?
The answer to that question explains a lot.
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23644231 - 09/14/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Love_spirit said:
Some people need constant ego confirmation.
Of course there's the famous 2013 study published in the journal Science that showed many people, especially men, would rather receive an electrical shock than sit silent in a room alone.
Why would many people rather receive an electrical shock than sit quietly alone?
The answer to that question explains a lot.
stimulation, baby
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: demiu5]
#23644411 - 09/14/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 ... The answer to that question explains a lot.
The answer to that question explains a lot.
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demiu5 said: ... stimulation, baby
more than just stimulation i think ...
animals would never do such a thing ...
perhaps this interesting book, partially explains it:
“Dependent Arising In Context: the Buddha's core lesson, in the context of his time and ours”January 5, 2013 by Linda S Blanchard
Paperback: 144 pages
ISBN-10: 1481259547 ISBN-13: 978-1481259545
from a review:
…”The general idea, it seems to me, of DA in modern terms is that we condition ourselves (just as Pavlov conditioned his dogs), through our constant self talk / thinking / categorizing / judging / believing and automatic: bodily reactions / tensions: of either liking, disliking, or ignoring every perception as it arises.
All day long we do this unconsciously continually reinforcing our concepts of who/what we think we are.
As a result we take impersonal existence and take it personally, thus suffering unnecessarily. And also fail to see reality as it is. Perhaps the use of steps is meant to make the whole process of self creation so clear that it is seen through. In any case it is a radical idea, even today. As fellow reviewer James Diggle says If we don't look for this basic dynamic or drive, which propels most others, it is easily missed. That would be the first step - ignore-ance. Once we are alert that there is "so to speak" an 'inner itch' like a needy child that constantly wants attention, that manifests by interpreting the whole world in relation to itself the possibility of an alternative becomes interesting…”
so really, it seems to me the shocking is functioning as a distraction, ...
from possibly noticing, (when activity & life is unstructured), the main compulsion that drives us
namely to constantly reaffirm a made up identity, and avoid the unknown
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: laughingdog]
#23644449 - 09/14/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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IME, most people see sitting quietly, in a sterile room with no audio/video, as a complete lack of input (stimulation). Since almost-constant distraction (stimulation) is the norm, any perceived lack of input makes most people uncomfortable. Despite the "pain" of an electrical current, it is no surprise that the average person would choose to receive some, any form of input compared to no input; the pain is likely comforting and reassuring that one is not "alone" or "isolated"
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: demiu5]
#23645396 - 09/14/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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demiu5 said: ... Since almost-constant distraction (stimulation) is the norm,...
ok let's leave the Buddhist analysis out of it for now...
it may be the 'norm', but 'normals' are already dead inside, any creative person has an inner life and multiple interests and imagination.
Think of all the charachters that populate novels, for example.
the wonderful irony of course is that these were college students, ie those supposedly developing their minds
http://io9.gizmodo.com/we-would-rather-do-anything-than-sit-and-think-for-15-m-1601049602
"...First, they had college students spend between 6 and 15 minutes alone in an unadorned room. ..."
the irony continues when we remember any good hunter has no problem staying alert, physically still, attentive, & calm, without even the entertainment of the imagination. No need to be an artist or meditator, just being in touch with our basic healthy animal style of attention, is enough.
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: laughingdog]
#23645399 - 09/14/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's more interesting to ask, "why aren't all humans afraid of being alone"?
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demiu5
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: laughingdog]
#23645422 - 09/14/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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laughingdog said:
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demiu5 said: ... Since almost-constant distraction (stimulation) is the norm,...
ok let's leave the Buddhist analysis out of it for now...
it may be the 'norm', but 'normals' are already dead inside, any creative person has an inner life and multiple interests and imagination.
i certainly don't disagree
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: demiu5]
#23654499 - 09/17/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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demiu5 said:
IME, most people see sitting quietly, in a sterile room with no audio/video, as a complete lack of input (stimulation).
But the mind constantly generates a massive number of thoughts. Sit quietly and count thoughts. It's incredible.
These thoughts are very stimulating. They can cause a change in breathing and heart-rate.
"My mind is like a bad neighborhood. I try not to go there alone."
Anne Lamott
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23654548 - 09/18/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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demiu5 said:
IME, most people see sitting quietly, in a sterile room with no audio/video, as a complete lack of input (stimulation).
But the mind constantly generates a massive number of thoughts. Sit quietly and count thoughts. It's incredible.
These thoughts are very stimulating. They can cause a change in breathing and heart-rate.
"My mind is like a bad neighborhood. I try not to go there alone."
Anne Lamott
i agree. i'd wager the najority of people don't
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: demiu5]
#23662747 - 09/20/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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After a prolonged state of isolation...any human will diminish....
is it really fear...or is it a contrived modern convention? did our societal evolution bring rise to habitats and/or scenarios that brought individuals to prolonged periods of isolation for a myriad of reasons.
Is fighting the fear of being alone a possible false rationalization that contentedness in oneself and oneself alone is ultimate goal?
we need others....with out others we lose literally everything, mental faculties, resources, humanity...
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Re: Why are humans afraid of being alone? [Re: demiu5]
#23662824 - 09/20/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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demiu5 said:
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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demiu5 said:
IME, most people see sitting quietly, in a sterile room with no audio/video, as a complete lack of input (stimulation).
But the mind constantly generates a massive number of thoughts. Sit quietly and count thoughts. It's incredible.
These thoughts are very stimulating. They can cause a change in breathing and heart-rate.
"My mind is like a bad neighborhood. I try not to go there alone."
Anne Lamott
i agree. i'd wager the najority of people don't
Perhaps it is unrelated, but why does it matter what the majority do? Why do people always feel the need to compare themselves to the majority? Does this give them some form of comfort?
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