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Have you ever felt your former self "die"?
    #23623958 - 09/07/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

A person I spoke with a couple months ago had the idea that who a person is never dies, and that even though I'm a young adult for example, my 16-year old self still resides deep within me.

However, there have been certain points in my past where I felt myself die.  Not literally or physically, but the person who I was just completely vanished away. 

What are your thoughts on this?


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23624023 - 09/07/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: yeah]
    #23624042 - 09/07/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sorry, I guess I should have been more clear.  This thread is not about reincarnation.  I am not talking about past lives, but past selves.  Who you were ten years ago, for example.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23624524 - 09/08/16 01:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Somehow, and strangely, your self is your brain, but the whole body may exist on many levels, dimensions, frequencies. Some of these replicas or extra-dimensional selves can influence the material self, heal it for example.

If you radically alter your brain, you will vanish into the depths of someone else.

And yet, you can't say you ever really change, you can't know. It's very strange . . .


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23624818 - 09/08/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I believe there are certain things which never change about a person, and also lots of stuff that does change about a person as they age.

The things that don't change are the core things, things that would be detrimental to your mental health if they were changed in some way. 

The things which we do change though, are things which we usually must change in order to keep moving forward, like quitting smoking, being health conscious, furthering our education, etc.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23624852 - 09/08/16 06:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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A person I spoke with a couple months ago had the idea that who a person is never dies, and that even though I'm a young adult for example, my 16-year old self still resides deep within me.

However, there have been certain points in my past where I felt myself die.  Not literally or physically, but the person who I was just completely vanished away. 

What are your thoughts on this?




I've felt my instincts, sympathetic nervous system and fight or flight response become inhibited during a psychedelically induced ego death experience.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: sudly]
    #23626303 - 09/08/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think I know what you are kinda getting at. though I haven't lived many years I do find myself asking questions of my age. how did I get to this point in my life (good,bad,ugly,ect)? life seemed so much easier as kids. I don't believe that our "former" self has died, rather we put it in a box in our subconscious mind. only to open portions of our past here and there. as we grow up we are bombed with things such as work , kids, spouse/partner, new(old) friends. stresses in life which we have to face in the now. then moments of relief comes into play.


example if you used to like flying kites as a kid. maybe one day you started flying kites with your kid(s). then it hits you. the joy! you start your research on cooler kites and it takes you over for that time. you start to try and relive your life through someone else so they may find the joy you once had but also so you can experience it again.

then the now comes back and you have to put away the kites. and handle other things again. soon days turn to months which turns to years.
the kites still hasn't been flown.

that to me would be considered a part of me dying.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23626402 - 09/08/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure if this might be the same but I've felt myself at certain points in life die.... maybe it's growing pains. Or after a big experience I would wake up feeling like a new person. Like that part of my life is over and the way I was is changed forever.

Maybe it's just adaptability...?


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: DocShamen]
    #23626448 - 09/08/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In my view, the trip is that you're always you.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: sudly]
    #23626557 - 09/08/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

or maybe it could be that in reality the we are 2 individuals.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: DocShamen]
    #23626694 - 09/08/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Or we're one individual with three different types of sensual experience.

We have the gut and sympathetic nervous system that sends chemical impulses to the brain that regulate our instincts.

We have the heart and limbic system to generate and send electrical impulses to the brain.

And finally we have the brain and spinal cord as the processor of both chemical and electrical signals from the gut and heart.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: pachoo]
    #23626796 - 09/08/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not sure if this might be the same but I've felt myself at certain points in life die.... maybe it's growing pains. Or after a big experience I would wake up feeling like a new person. Like that part of my life is over and the way I was is changed forever.

Maybe it's just adaptability...?




I think you and Doc Shamen both have a general feel of what I'm getting at.  When I asked this question, I was thinking mainly of relevance to traumatic situations, or situations of despair where you have no choice to move on from something and never look back (such as a lost love, etc.).


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23626914 - 09/08/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I think you and Doc Shamen both have a general feel of what I'm getting at.  When I asked this question, I was thinking mainly of relevance to traumatic situations, or situations of despair where you have no choice to move on from something and never look back (such as a lost love, etc.).




Isn't that just having a new perspective. :strokebeard:


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: sudly]
    #23626995 - 09/08/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

perspective maybe... our brain is far greater than that of science. not saying science is wrong. just stating if science knew everything about the brain there would no longer be studies on it. and scientist and myself are always amazed of new outcomes


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: sudly]
    #23627219 - 09/08/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I think you and Doc Shamen both have a general feel of what I'm getting at.  When I asked this question, I was thinking mainly of relevance to traumatic situations, or situations of despair where you have no choice to move on from something and never look back (such as a lost love, etc.).




Isn't that just having a new perspective. :strokebeard:




Well, it kind of depends.  If you were in love with someone for several years for example, and your interactions with them defined most of your existence for a long time, when you have to let that person go, a piece of yourself might die in the process.  Maybe your entire self dies in the process and a new one is reborn in its place?


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23627224 - 09/08/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There are certain intense emotions/thoughts/feelings I had in the past that I can't return to simply because they're not relevant in the present context.  Like dreaming of playing football one day when you're a 30-year-old, for example.  If you're in your mid-thirties, that's not going to happen.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23627247 - 09/08/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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There are certain intense emotions/thoughts/feelings I had in the past that I can't return to simply because they're not relevant in the present context.  Like dreaming of playing football one day when you're a 30-year-old, for example.  If you're in your mid-thirties, that's not going to happen.



pro might not happen but that's where we as humans limit ourselves. if you think you can do something you will strive to do it.dont let others turn you from your path.
I once had a commander who got blown up. messed up his back really bad and was told he may become paralyzed from the waist down.
all he wanted was to get back to his unit again. he worked extra hard to find feelings in his legs and even harder to be able to have function from the waist down. he to this day is still jumping out of airplanes.

also if going pro doesn't happen for instance. why stop? why stop playing football? just because you didn't meet you final end goal doesn't mean you can get some gys(gals) together and meet your true goal....happiness...
I mean that's why most players went pro right? to be able to do something they love?

as far as relationship I've had my pitfalls with many so called loves... why can't the situations that happen with exes be relevant today? I mean this is a journey right? just because man realised that fire hurts when we touch it didn't mean that we stop making fires.
@Celestial Traveler
whatever comes your way will always be a learning experience whether good or bad. if you would like to elaborate more on your personal experience I know it can sometimes help I am more than happy to hear. we have all suffered our own ptsd. otherwise we would still be the man touching fire =P.

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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: DocShamen]
    #23627251 - 09/08/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the encouragement man, that was a really kind gesture.  But I was just using the pro thing as an example lol.  Perhaps I should find better ways to say or express certain things.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23627262 - 09/08/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

oh no you're fine. I understood what you meant. I was just giving an example to your example lol. guess my rant short was just don't let whatever is hindering you now be because of the past. and don't let whatever your future brings become the reason of your unhappiness. remember your doing it now because at one point it brought you joy.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: DocShamen]
    #23627276 - 09/08/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah but I mean, there are certainly some things that you simply can't do after a certain point.  For example, you can't attend high school again, with your parents picking you up from school and providing you with hot meals every night.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23627293 - 09/08/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

that is true. but you could relive them with your own family? until they grow up. always a silver lining somewhere if someone looks hard enough =P


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: DocShamen]
    #23627396 - 09/08/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe I'm just too lazy :sad:


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23627431 - 09/08/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

maybe you just need more time?


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: DocShamen]
    #23627468 - 09/08/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If so, it's a consequence of being old.  :lol:


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23627475 - 09/08/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I hope you still find joy within your journey brother!


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23627733 - 09/09/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would say the 'personality' evolves in real time with the accumulation of new experiences and memories.

Learning not to touch the fires of intense emotions after playing with love certainly is a goal to strive for but it can be a struggle to 'lose awareness' of something, it's certainly something I haven't been able to do well.

Personally, with intense experiences, thinking it through, taking foundational lessons and not jumping into emotional quicksand(negative thought loops) has helped me maintain a level of peace.


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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: sudly]
    #23627857 - 09/09/16 02:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I would say the 'personality' evolves in real time with the accumulation of new experiences and memories.

Learning not to touch the fires of intense emotions after playing with love certainly is a goal to strive for but it can be a struggle to 'lose awareness' of something, it's certainly something I haven't been able to do well.

Personally, with intense experiences, thinking it through, taking foundational lessons and not jumping into emotional quicksand(negative thought loops) has helped me maintain a level of peace.



I agree. one must learn from previous mistakes made in past relationships. but one should remember people are different. and honesty should be first brought to light. such as flaws and dislikes. once both parties can come to not deal but rather accept the other person for those things then a relationship can form on a better understanding.
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Re: Have you ever felt your former self "die"? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23629551 - 09/09/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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A person I spoke with a couple months ago had the idea that who a person is never dies, and that even though I'm a young adult for example, my 16-year old self still resides deep within me.

However, there have been certain points in my past where I felt myself die.  Not literally or physically, but the person who I was just completely vanished away. 

What are your thoughts on this?





If you can be honest with yourself .. Like really honest , its possible to kill yourself. What that means is something probably related to a change in your brain chemistry. If your not honest then you can just keep extending your personality rather than resetting it like being for or anti something, heads and tails etc. The two sides which make up the whole, when you kill yourself it's like you go back to the whole rather than being caught up in the sides thing, aka duality 'I think'.

In reality though your always going to be somewhat caught up in between the sides unless your willing to throw it all away and be known as a nutjob which in turn will ruin your place in society making it very hard to find a mate and reproduce. I.e betraying your own genetics which could be argued is the sole reason you are here.  :vag:


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