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#23622708 - 09/07/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.eraofwisdom.org/pharmaceutical-kratom-real-reason-kratom-ban-new-opioid-bu08028-derived-mitragynine/
What is the true motivation behind the DEA’s decision to ban kratom? Could it be the fact that enormous swathes of researchers are trying to develop synthetic opioids, patentable, profitable drugs to replace such things as kratom or pharmaceutical painkillers? Three synthetic opioids in particular were synthesized from the alkaloids in kratom from 2008- 2016: MGM-9, MGM-15, and MGM-16. They were synthesized from kratom’s alkaloids Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxymitragynine: to make what is essentially patentable, pharmaceutical kratom. The first study, published in 2008, took Mitragynine and used it to synthesize “MGM-9”. The study says: “Mitragynine is a major indole alkaloid isolated from the Thai medicinal plant Mitragyna speciosa that has opium-like properties, although its chemical structure is quite different from that of morphine. We attempted to develop novel analgesics derived from mitragynine, and thus synthesized the ethylene glycol-bridged and C10-fluorinated derivative of mitragynine, MGM-9 [(E)-methyl 2-(3-ethyl-7a,12a-(epoxyethanoxy)-9-fluoro-1,2,3,4,6,7,12,12b-octahydro-8-methoxyindolo[2,3-a]quinolizin-2-yl)-3-methoxyacrylate].
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: VedicSoma]
#23622881 - 09/07/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is what they do. They don't want cheap natural drugs that are not patented. Fuckers
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Morel Guy]
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What a wonderful world we live in huh?
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: VedicSoma] 1
#23623303 - 09/07/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why are you posting only half of the story?
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: fapjack]
#23623321 - 09/07/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pharmaceutical lobby stills has control. I just found out that a buddy of mine, with a terminal disorder, dude will not live to be an old man... Really sad. He gets a lot of pain relief from dabs and had been able to cut way back on the amount of opiates and benzos he was prescribed... But when his doc retired and he had to see a new doctor, in order to get any opiates, which he actually needs, he has to do UA tests and if he comes up positive for mmj they pull the prescription. As a result he's zombified on all the percocets and such now... such bullshit.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Bubba.G]
#23623536 - 09/07/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not banned yet.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: morbiddoctor]
#23624700 - 09/08/16 04:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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when? gotta get my hands on it before it gets obscured. I haven't tried it yet. Name drop some vendors. I hope they don't ban Kava. LOL.
Isn't CBD facing the same scrutiny?
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: CLIT]
#23625013 - 09/08/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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End of September. Most vendors are clearing house, just google. World seed supply has a marketplace thread too. They better leave kava alone, and they seem to be doing so.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: morbiddoctor]
#23625015 - 09/08/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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morbiddoctor said: It's not banned yet.
this is exactly what happened to methylone
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Ogla]
#23625081 - 09/08/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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we can't have people controlling their own health care, that's OUR job.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: travelleler]
#23625090 - 09/08/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yet the Govt does a poor job protecting us from what the corporations do. Nobody Was forced to purchase kratom.. Maybe they should deal with what causes people to want to get high or medicate.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Morel Guy]
#23625125 - 09/08/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Yet the Govt does a poor job protecting us from what the corporations do. Nobody Was forced to purchase kratom.. Maybe they should deal with what causes people to want to get high or medicate.
....or to get off medication. Which is why they want control.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: travelleler]
#23625217 - 09/08/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gov gets paid by lobbyists (bribed) to follow a course of action, in this case banning kratom, why because the lobby is pro big pharma and gov agrees in order to take the bribe... They dont care either way, if you go w/ big pharma drugs the gov makes there money through bribes, when they ban all the immediate release pain meds and go to new substances they charge more, gov gets paid "lobbied"(to ban the old meds) and then the drug abuser or one who likes the high is forced to buy the Gov owned meds (Heroin) Yes they control the black market drug trade, there is no way citizens are able to get the volume we have in major cities with out fluctuations in quality/price due to all the gov agenciest pretending to stop it! They are the importers of all black market drugs By volumn!!! 60s/70s vietnam H was shipped by US gov and 80s Cocaine was shipped by US gov for Noriega's deal, Why should they stop now? It is the same reason they are still in Afghanistan, every photo of US military in Afghanistan shows them guarding a poppy field why? A barrel of oil is $45, how much is a barrel of HEROIN worth?
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: VedicSoma]
#23625222 - 09/08/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does anyone know what the potency or effects of these semisynthetic kralkaloids is in comparison to organic kratom alkaloids?
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Connoisseur]
#23625900 - 09/08/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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editing this post too many times.
Oliver North.
Air America.
There is a history of the problem we have now.
And when it's gonna change my friends is anybody's guess.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Achuma]
#23626290 - 09/08/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So essentially what they have done here is made a more potent semi-synthetic version of 7-hydroxymitragynine similar to morphine->heroin. So basically kratom heroin.
Fucking pharmaceutical companies man, this is so fucked up. I'd be interested to see if it still retains the respiratory depression immunity type qualities kratom has though.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Achuma]
#23626296 - 09/08/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sign and pass the petition!!! Theirs still a ton of things in the works against this fight!! Email your state reps, dea, etc.. THIS FIGHT IS NOT OVER! It's only over when we win. Make that petition say 1 million. The more the better! KEEP PUSHING!
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: tripp23]
#23626560 - 09/08/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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All of the painkiller addicts I know, who think a plant is sketchy, will gladly abuse the same active ingredient in pill form.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: CLIT]
#23626593 - 09/08/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CLIT said: when? gotta get my hands on it before it gets obscured. I haven't tried it yet. Name drop some vendors. I hope they don't ban Kava. LOL.
Isn't CBD facing the same scrutiny?
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morbiddoctor said: It's not banned yet.
CBD is under attack but from a different direction. I've actually heard that some of the guys with the big hemp grows that are crystallizing out pure CBD via hexane I think... anyway I've heard some are getting cease and desists orders based on the fact that the gubmint holds the patent on CBD ... talk about duplicity... this is hearsay at the moment, wouldn't doubt it though
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: durian_2008]
#23626600 - 09/08/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've done a lot of different opiates. Morphine sucked the most out of all of them but not as much as opium. These were lower doses and I have liked kratom isolates the most. There is simply something sexy about a tincture dosages just right.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Bubba.G]
#23627410 - 09/08/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CLIT said: when? gotta get my hands on it before it gets obscured. I haven't tried it yet. Name drop some vendors. I hope they don't ban Kava. LOL.
Isn't CBD facing the same scrutiny?
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morbiddoctor said: It's not banned yet.
CBD is under attack but from a different direction. I've actually heard that some of the guys with the big hemp grows that are crystallizing out pure CBD via hexane I think... anyway I've heard some are getting cease and desists orders based on the fact that the gubmint holds the patent on CBD ... talk about duplicity... this is hearsay at the moment, wouldn't doubt it though
there's a few different propaganda pieces floating around and getting re-hashed and made to sound brand new but so far they're just baloney aimed at ruing poor hippies morning coffee and not much more... probably trying to manufacture negative consent in people who are on the fence...
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: travelleler]
#23627416 - 09/08/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also--- they are crystallizing nearly pure THC out of solution as well. As i understand it takes a lil liquid CO2 under pressure and a tiny bit of HCL with some agitation. So you need a food grade pressure tank and a lot of spendy hardware. Not the sort of thing you can just do in a garage or out on the back porch.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: travelleler]
#23627613 - 09/08/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't even catch the initial post. Jesus fuck. These greedy pieces of shit. I would love to get my hands around their necks. I would literally murder them. I am more than sick of this shit. With every report, every bystander video, a rage continues to develop in me that takes over in such a way that I want to personally be responsible for their deaths.
But I can't, theyre in charge, I'm a peon. No harm no foul.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: tripp23]
#23627845 - 09/09/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What I don't get is, who are the people that are against Kratom without any experience with it to begin with to be asking for it to be banned? Was it even people opposed to it or simply word of mouth that people are getting "high" off Kratom, which is opioidergic, therefore DEA sees it as an abusable plant drug? Does the public even have a say as to what needs to get banned or schedule or the government people call the shots whenever they feel like it?
Is there still time to fight this ban via an online petition? I'd think the DEA figured no one would be marching around D.C. protesting a ban on a plant (seems like a waste of time). The DEA knows they'll make more money prosecuting those that still has access to a schedule 1 drug plant.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: VedicSoma]
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over 100,000 petitions were signed so it is a popular issue. Why did the DEA still make it scheduled 1?
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: CLIT]
#23628672 - 09/09/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because we all know it has medical benefits and inspires many pharmaceutical patents.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: CLIT]
#23628820 - 09/09/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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CLIT said: over 100,000 signatures were put on a petition so it is a popular issue. Why did the DEA still make it scheduled 1?
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: CLIT]
#23628898 - 09/09/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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They ban it because it has the potential to help an addict stop using the Pharm product/street product which cuts into there profits, so they(big pharma) lobby (bribe) the DEA to intervene! The powers that be do not want "free thinking" it opens the door to movements (BLM/OCCUPY WALLSTREET) resentment against the 1%, resistance to GOV spying/drug war/war on terrorism. Simply put the drug war became an issue (not when addicts returned from Vietnam) like they want you to believe, it became an issue when the youth refused to go/fight a BS war that could not be won, and through the resistance, at the heart of it was MJ/LSD so they figured if we stop the drugs they will fall in line! Keep the sheeple herded together cowering in fear! The 1%/Gov has one true fear, the people, at anytime if the people unite they are done! They know this clear as day, its why the Global corporations are willing to fund the NSA CIA to know all that is a threat to there control. They want you to be scared of a boogyman, now its ISIS, but the people are waking up and realizing these groups are US agency funded to do exactly what Gov wants, repealing of all rights, it started with 9/11 and the old boogyman AL Qeada/BinLAden and when thet was used up they created ISIS from AL Qeada/taliban, because we supposedly defeated them... Now they use these excuses in europe, fake terrorism to get the sheeple to herd together in fear and repeal right after right, while GOV/1% takes over! Freethinking is there biggest threat, its why schools are drugging the students that act out in any way, the outspoken students are proven to be the free thinkers and that they do not want, drug them, keep them in fear (cops in schools) and make them herd together like sheeple!
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: perikleous]
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Kratom isn't very easy to propagate in mass in Ohio. Hard to clone from my experience. does not survive the winter either. Not sure how much a clone would yield over the course of a grow season. Now poppies on a dry year would do great here. As far as having some control over medicine once the Gov no longer cares for the non Government/military population. I prefer kratom for pain meds it's just not as plausible from a security point of view.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Morel Guy]
#23636120 - 09/11/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Kratom isn't very easy to propagate in mass in Ohio. Hard to clone from my experience. does not survive the winter either. Not sure how much a clone would yield over the course of a grow season. Now poppies on a dry year would do great here. As far as having some control over medicine once the Gov no longer cares for the non Government/military population. I prefer kratom for pain meds it's just not as plausible from a security point of view.
many studies have been attempted to establish orchards in other places. What has been proven again and again is that the trees do not produce their alkaloids the same when grown in other places. Also, trees grow quite slowly and even in rainforest conditions without the same soil the leaf will contain a different mix of alkaloids. It is a relationship between the tree and nature that deserves much research and understanding, and respect. If every person under the sun that wanted Kratom suddenly had access it could be bad for the forests of Malaysia... much in the same way that sandalwood trees are all but extinct now and the spice islands are now cattle ranchers instead of foresters.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: travelleler]
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Grows in Vietnam.
Had a bit of kratom that was sprayed with the same leaf concentrate. Best leaf I ever had. Not nearly as much of that irritating tolerance.
Is there in an alkaloid in native leaf that acts as an antagonist? Perhaps I am daydreaming but nature mixes agonist and antagonist sometimes.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: travelleler]
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Under the right conditions Krat grows plenty fast. It's not in any danger of fading away.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Love_spirit]
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Hard to clone and seeds have a very short viable shelf live. Less than coca seeds?
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Morel Guy]
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Not hard to clone. Just have to take good cuttings and keep them moist and oxygenated until roots form. Seeds are nearly useless.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: morbiddoctor]
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Forgot to mention the enhanced leaf was grown in the Dominican.
I don't get why they outlawed it when I only heard of one person having a problem with it. That girl sounds stupid and didn't know shit about anything. Never heard of someone dying from kratom or isolates. Have not heard of crazy YouTube vids of kids all twisted or er visits. Never found salvia to be all that either. Learned you had to smoke it a certain way and I no longer believe that trash.
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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said: Forgot to mention the enhanced leaf was grown in the Dominican.
I don't get why they outlawed it when I only heard of one person having a problem with it. That girl sounds stupid and didn't know shit about anything. Never heard of someone dying from kratom or isolates. Have not heard of crazy YouTube vids of kids all twisted or er visits. Never found salvia to be all that either. Learned you had to smoke it a certain way and I no longer believe that trash.
Fuck just last weekend i drank an oz in one gulp and didn't even get nauseous.
Ok, but i have tolerance.
The second time i ever tried ot i took 60 grams in 1 gulp (capsules) and yeah, i threw up, but that was fucking it!!! This is so goddamn retarded.
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The thing I didn't like about most vendor kratom was a pretty low ceiling. One of those herbs like old time weed. Can't take too much and it's a waste to try. No real gain in buzz, just a bit more visionary/dreamy.
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