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OfflineVedicSoma
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The Real Reason Kratom was Banned * 3
    #23622708 - 09/07/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.eraofwisdom.org/pharmaceutical-kratom-real-reason-kratom-ban-new-opioid-bu08028-derived-mitragynine/

What is the true motivation behind the DEA’s decision to ban kratom? Could it be the fact that enormous swathes of researchers are trying to develop synthetic opioids, patentable, profitable drugs to replace such things as kratom or pharmaceutical painkillers?
Three synthetic opioids in particular were synthesized from the alkaloids in kratom from 2008- 2016: MGM-9, MGM-15, and MGM-16.
They were synthesized from kratom’s alkaloids Mitragynine and 7-Hydroxymitragynine: to make what is essentially patentable, pharmaceutical kratom.
The first study, published in 2008, took Mitragynine and used it to synthesize “MGM-9”. The study says:
“Mitragynine is a major indole alkaloid isolated from the Thai medicinal plant Mitragyna speciosa that has opium-like properties, although its chemical structure is quite different from that of morphine. We attempted to develop novel analgesics derived from mitragynine, and thus synthesized the ethylene glycol-bridged and C10-fluorinated derivative of mitragynine, MGM-9 [(E)-methyl 2-(3-ethyl-7a,12a-(epoxyethanoxy)-9-fluoro-1,2,3,4,6,7,12,12b-octahydro-8-methoxyindolo[2,3-a]quinolizin-2-yl)-3-methoxyacrylate].


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: VedicSoma]
    #23622881 - 09/07/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That is what they do.  They don't want cheap natural drugs that are not patented.  Fuckers


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23623107 - 09/07/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What a wonderful world we live in huh?


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: VedicSoma] * 1
    #23623303 - 09/07/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why are you posting only half of the story?


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: fapjack]
    #23623321 - 09/07/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pharmaceutical lobby stills has control. I just found out that a buddy of mine, with a terminal disorder, dude will not live to be an old man... Really sad. He gets a lot of pain relief from dabs and had been able to cut way back on the amount of opiates and benzos he was prescribed... But when his doc retired and he had to see a new doctor, in order to get any opiates, which he actually needs, he has to do UA tests and if he comes up positive for mmj they pull the prescription. As a result he's zombified on all the percocets and such now... such bullshit.


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Bubba.G]
    #23623536 - 09/07/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's not banned yet.


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: morbiddoctor]
    #23624700 - 09/08/16 04:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

when? gotta get my hands on it before it gets obscured. I haven't tried it yet. Name drop some vendors. I hope they don't ban Kava. LOL.

Isn't CBD facing the same scrutiny?

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It's not banned yet.




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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: CLIT]
    #23625013 - 09/08/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

End of September. Most vendors are clearing house, just google. World seed supply has a marketplace thread too. They better leave kava alone, and they seem to be doing so.


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: morbiddoctor]
    #23625015 - 09/08/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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morbiddoctor said:
It's not banned yet.




this is exactly what happened to methylone


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Ogla]
    #23625081 - 09/08/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

we can't have people controlling their own health care, that's OUR job.





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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: travelleler]
    #23625090 - 09/08/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yet the Govt does a poor job protecting us from what the corporations do.  Nobody Was forced to purchase kratom..  Maybe they should deal with what causes people to want to get high or medicate.


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23625125 - 09/08/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yet the Govt does a poor job protecting us from what the corporations do.  Nobody Was forced to purchase kratom..  Maybe they should deal with what causes people to want to get high or medicate.





....or to get off medication.  Which is why they want control.


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: travelleler]
    #23625217 - 09/08/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Gov gets paid by lobbyists (bribed) to follow a course of action, in this case banning kratom, why because the lobby is pro big pharma and gov agrees in order to take the bribe... They dont care either way, if you go w/ big pharma drugs the gov makes there money through bribes, when they ban all the immediate release pain meds and go to new substances they charge more, gov gets paid "lobbied"(to ban the old meds) and then the drug abuser or one who likes the high is forced to buy the Gov owned meds (Heroin) Yes they control the black market drug trade, there is no way citizens are able to get the volume we have in major cities with out fluctuations in quality/price due to all the gov agenciest pretending to stop it! They are the importers of all black market drugs By volumn!!! 60s/70s vietnam H was shipped by US gov and 80s Cocaine was shipped by US gov for Noriega's deal, Why should they stop now? It is the same reason they are still in Afghanistan, every photo of US military in Afghanistan shows them guarding a poppy field why? A barrel of oil is  $45, how much is a barrel of HEROIN worth?


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: VedicSoma]
    #23625222 - 09/08/16 09:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Does anyone know what the potency or effects of these semisynthetic kralkaloids is in comparison to organic kratom alkaloids?


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23625900 - 09/08/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

editing this post too many times. 

Oliver North.

Air America.

There is a history of the problem we have now. 

And when it's gonna change my friends is anybody's guess.


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Achuma]
    #23626290 - 09/08/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So essentially what they have done here is made a more potent semi-synthetic version of
7-hydroxymitragynine similar to morphine->heroin. So basically kratom heroin. :congrats:

Fucking pharmaceutical companies man, this is so fucked up.  :grrr:
I'd be interested to see if it still retains the respiratory depression immunity type qualities kratom has though.


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: Achuma]
    #23626296 - 09/08/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sign and pass the petition!!! Theirs still a ton of things in the works against this fight!!  Email your state reps, dea, etc..  THIS FIGHT IS NOT OVER!  It's only over when we win.  Make that petition say 1 million.  The more the better!  KEEP PUSHING!


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: tripp23]
    #23626560 - 09/08/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All of the painkiller addicts I know, who think a plant is sketchy, will gladly abuse the same active ingredient in pill form.


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: CLIT]
    #23626593 - 09/08/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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CLIT said:
when? gotta get my hands on it before it gets obscured. I haven't tried it yet. Name drop some vendors. I hope they don't ban Kava. LOL.

Isn't CBD facing the same scrutiny?

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morbiddoctor said:
It's not banned yet.







CBD is under attack but from a different direction. I've actually heard that some of the guys with the big hemp grows that are crystallizing out pure CBD via hexane I think... anyway I've heard some are getting cease and desists orders based on the fact that the gubmint holds the patent on CBD ... talk about duplicity... this is hearsay at the moment, wouldn't doubt it though


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Re: The Real Reason Kratom was Banned [Re: durian_2008]
    #23626600 - 09/08/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've done a lot of different opiates.  Morphine sucked the most out of all of them but not as much as opium.  These were lower doses and I have liked kratom isolates the most. There is simply something sexy about a tincture dosages just right.


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