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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: 404]
    #23617661 - 09/06/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Me choosing to put heroin in my body of my own volition is not grounds for an argument for your self defense. They are unrelated matters.





your choice is always your choice until your decisions affect the lives of others
such as pimping out your child, robbing the local grocer or tourists in order to
support your habit, functioning heroin addicts are pretty rare


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: 404]
    #23617667 - 09/06/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, probably all in prison now, "turned themselves into authorities" so now, being poor, the government is going to figure out what to do with those people.





if you had read the article, they're going to 'zoomba' clases that give them
something to occupy their time for a little while, gets them some exercise and
they're being fed. they havent been imprisoned.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23617678 - 09/06/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Would you agree that their tactics fall under the definition of terrorism? Mainly just curious.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #23617702 - 09/06/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23617999 - 09/06/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I tink heroin, meth, and the addictive drugs are evil. They make people think they need them, so they steal and ruin the lives of others, and they are oftain tainted and impure.

This is terribe though, and this president is a bad person. There are many users of less harmful drugs, who dont hurt anyone, and they will gt caught up in the killing.

We have such freedom here, that there is no recourse for heroin addicts. The family maybe abe to convince them to go to rehab, or if the are a minor there are retreats they send the to. They can also wait untill they have the drugs on them and call the cops and get them locked up. Either way, they get out and get right back on it

I wouldnt have a problem if the addicts didnt destroy everyone around them. Its easy to say 'cut them off', but its so difficult when they are a loved one.

Its a very complicated problem, and that is not the solution. addiction is a mental health problem, and we have no way to deal with mental health in this country. We have a community out-patient health center here, and it doesnt work. we need more places and easier ways to lock u people like addicts for a long time without it being a punishment. Prison isnt the solution. I just saw on the local news, a man and women getting decades to life for giving an old addict some bad heroin, which killed him. That doesnt seem to be the solution at all


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23618041 - 09/06/16 12:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

If we made it legal cheap and available they wouldn't bother stealing for it.
What we have now is a failing outdated system.

OP Vlad the Impaler succeeded in eliminating all crime but at what cost? No one with half a brain wants to live under a dictator.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23618068 - 09/06/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So the solution to the heroin proble is to make it easier to get so the addicts can get deeper into their addiction? Thats stupid


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein] * 2
    #23618121 - 09/06/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

You guys realize that Duerte would be targeting every single user on here for death if he could, right? If you lived in the phillipines as a shroomerite, you'd probably be dead by now. Make no mistake, this is about hunting down killing people just like you.

You think it's bad when a cop finds a bag of weed and charges someone with dealing? Imagine a cop finding a bag of weed, and having the person kneel, and shooting them in the back of the head.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23618262 - 09/06/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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So the solution to the heroin proble is to make it easier to get so the addicts can get deeper into their addiction?




What's stopping them from getting addicted in the first place and furthering their addictions now? Because being illegal sure isn't. I don't see how it would be easier to get from a regulated facility then your local drug dealer, it seems like it would be the exact same IMO, but as cliche as it sounds, literally think of the children in this scenario. Now it would be regulated making it much harder for people of a younger age to get it, and by the time they're old enough to most would know enough about it to steer clear while the ones who still would use it, would of whether it was illegal or not. Which means at the very least younger people would end up using less then now because it would be harder to get.

Hence why pot is generally easier to get then alcohol when it comes to minors, because alcohol is regulated where weed isn't (even though that's changing :laugh:), drug dealers don't I.D., regulated facilities would. Plus think of all the extra funds being saved because we're no longer spending it on incarcerating and arresting these people, we could put that towards affordable addiction programs and treat it as a medical problem rather then a crime so the people who actually want help will have the options to do so.

Even if I'm off on a few points, there's literally thousands of reasons why prohibition is at the very least the dumber option when compared to legalization. Either way, treating these people as criminals and locking them up is obviously doing very little if anything to help this problem, so we need a change.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #23618272 - 09/06/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Regulating it wouldnt eliminate the illegal market. There is no guarentee this would stop them from stealing and being terribe people.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23618282 - 09/06/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

stealing is a crime with or without drugs and would stay that way. Which is why I said you should be allowed to do whatever you want to yourself as long as you're not infringing upon the rights and freedoms of other people, once you do something that does, then with or without drugs you're committing a crime and should be treated as such. If anything it would still make the illegal market safer because no one is going to go to the local corner drug dealer down the street who might actually be selling heroin when they can go to a regulated facility and be guaranteed a clean product, overdoses would become less common because people actually know what they're putting in their bodies, which forces the illegal market to not only compete in pricing but also with product.

Gangs and cartels would struggle immensely and suffer heavily from legalization which is why the cartels in particular are openly against legalization. Whether legal or illegal, if there's a demand for something there's a market for it that someone will exploit, might as well make sure it's all clean and taxed and then use that revenue towards stuff like rehabs and addiction programs at affordable rates so people who want help can get it while the people who don't want help would still be doing it either way.

As much as I hate heroin, personal choice is personal choice, whether I agree with that choice or not.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #23618303 - 09/06/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Id like to know how we will pay for all of these facilities, workers, needles, and heroin.
Im assuming all this heroin will be free, otherwise there is no inscentive

I have some experiance with addicts. Things disappear, they get their fix, they lie, family wants to believe them, they steal again, untill they get cut off.


This seems like a stupid idea as it encourages use. we dont do anything in this country because, once you are free of the crime you commited, you get to go right back to ruining your family and destroying everythig around you.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Love_spirit] * 1
    #23619770 - 09/06/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Love_spirit said:
If we made it legal cheap and available they wouldn't bother stealing for it.
What we have now is a failing outdated system.

OP Vlad the Impaler succeeded in eliminating all crime but at what cost? No one with half a brain wants to live under a dictator.





I'm all for legalization of all drugs, I'm also for making the fools that become
addicts suffer the consequences of their choices, the addicts that burn their
bridges, end up on the streets with nothing, unable to even whore themselves out
should be left to die, once that's done, scoop them up, incinerate them and call
it a day.


while I dont agree with killing addicts, dealers, etc... just for doing what they
do, they are a serious blight on nations that are already heavily burdened with
poverty, as a result, 40% of the kids there are using drugs, many of those are in
fact dealers, 45% of the government officials including the cops have been
arrested for drugs including officers with the phillippine DEA, meth is the most
commonly used drug and it's being dumped by the chinese cartels, some of which are
actually protected by the PDEA.

Rodrigo Duterte is a man trying to take his country back. if people started
looking at the whole picture they wouldnt just see some drug users being targeted,
the man has put a big bullseye on his own back because he's costing those cartels
and when some of them start getting caught up in these sweeps, they'll be out for
him. assuming they arent already given that more than 150 of the arrested are
government officials protecting these cartels


anyway, who will make drugs cheap?


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: my3rdeye]
    #23620452 - 09/07/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

At first I HA!'d at you. Then I remember the early days when I was a fuckin ninja separating the paper plates and skillfully sliding silverware out, making sure I made no noise opening the freezer/fridge to get ice cream/milk out in order to hook myself up with some cake and ice cream in peace without having to worry about what it might be like to answer to my parents that high. That shit was INTENSE.

But I'd rather be paranoid about red eyes and parents than worry about being murdered, I reckon.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: yabbahabba]
    #23620453 - 09/07/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Their president supported the mirdered of drug users!? What class of drugs is the biggest issue over there? Herron?


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Zombi3]
    #23620467 - 09/07/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Pretty sure it was just dealers he authorised anyone to kill with impunity.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23620563 - 09/07/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Id like to know how we will pay for all of these facilities, workers, needles, and heroin.
Im assuming all this heroin will be free, otherwise there is no inscentive

I have some experiance with addicts. Things disappear, they get their fix, they lie, family wants to believe them, they steal again, untill they get cut off.


This seems like a stupid idea as it encourages use. we dont do anything in this country because, once you are free of the crime you commited, you get to go right back to ruining your family and destroying everythig around you.




Pay for it with all the money we are currently paying for the DEA and for keeping non violent drug offenders in prison. Then tax it so the addicts  themselves pay for the damage they are doing. Stop drug testing at jobs where it isnt absolutely necessary so the addicts at least have the choice to work. Offer free rehab with free buprenorphine and methadone.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Zombi3]
    #23621441 - 09/07/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Their president supported the mirdered of drug users!? What class of drugs is the biggest issue over there? Herron?





crystal meth

their president has a 91% approval rating even now


maybe obama will seek to boost his ratings as well


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23622350 - 09/07/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Id like to know how we will pay for all of these facilities, workers, needles, and heroin.
Im assuming all this heroin will be free, otherwise there is no inscentive

I have some experiance with addicts. Things disappear, they get their fix, they lie, family wants to believe them, they steal again, untill they get cut off.


This seems like a stupid idea as it encourages use. we dont do anything in this country because, once you are free of the crime you commited, you get to go right back to ruining your family and destroying everythig around you.




Pay for it with all the money we are currently paying for the DEA and for keeping non violent drug offenders in prison. Then tax it so the addicts  themselves pay for the damage they are doing. Stop drug testing at jobs where it isnt absolutely necessary so the addicts at least have the choice to work. Offer free rehab with free buprenorphine and methadone.




Just give them heroin, the withdrawal is quicker and "easier" than coming off methadone.

Spain and Portugal have been doing this for 16 years now. Criminals have to find other ways to make money.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23622519 - 09/07/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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specialpeopleclub said:
Id like to know how we will pay for all of these facilities, workers, needles, and heroin.
Im assuming all this heroin will be free, otherwise there is no inscentive

I have some experiance with addicts. Things disappear, they get their fix, they lie, family wants to believe them, they steal again, untill they get cut off.


This seems like a stupid idea as it encourages use. we dont do anything in this country because, once you are free of the crime you commited, you get to go right back to ruining your family and destroying everythig around you.




Pay for it with all the money we are currently paying for the DEA and for keeping non violent drug offenders in prison. Then tax it so the addicts  themselves pay for the damage they are doing. Stop drug testing at jobs where it isnt absolutely necessary so the addicts at least have the choice to work. Offer free rehab with free buprenorphine and methadone.



And use all that cash they have in the police evidence lockers! (if there is actually any)


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