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OfflineBlabble40
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Non-active dream suppressors
    #23622055 - 09/07/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Many psychedelics and active substances in general are known for either suppressing the dream cycle or throwing the sleep cycle off balance, or making dreams more vivid. Pot, for example, has been claimed by people to dull their dreams in some cases and in others to make it more vivid.
Alcohol has been implicated in deleting people's dreams at night as well.
The substances both make the dreams harder to remember if they do dream, and sometimes makes them not dream at all.
People are sometimes prescribed pot to suppress their dreams if they are prone to nightmares; etc.
However, not everyone may be comfortable with the effects or moral implication of taking the medicine.

Here's a potential list of substances which can delete dreams:

Here's a potential list you can go off: January 27th, 2013, 05:25 AM
Alcohol
Alprazolam
Amitriptyline
Amphetamine
Atenolol
Brompheniramine
Carbamazepine
Clomipramine
Clonazepam
Clonidine
Clorgyline
Cyclazocine
Cyproheptadine
Desipramine
Doxepin
Ethosuximide
Fenluramine
Fluoxetine
Guanafacine
Heroin
Hyoscine
Indalpine
Ketanserin
Levodopa
Lithium
Maprotiline
Methadone
Methyldopa
Methylphenidate
Metoclopramide
Metoprolol
Mianserin
Midazolam
Morphine
Nomifensine
Nortriptyline
Pargyline
Pemoline
Phenelzine
Phenobarbital
Phenytoin
Pindolol
Prolintane
Propanolol
Scopolamine
Selegiline
THC
Triazolam
Triprolidine
Viloxazine
Zimelidine

source: Principles of Polysomnography" by "William Spriggs, BS, RPSGT" pg 185, under Suppressed REM.

Some of them, however, may be active. Are there any good, known substances designed to temporarily suppress dreams? It may be more than just taking a med, timing your sleep schedule will also play a role.


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Re: Non-active dream suppressors [Re: Blabble40]
    #23623291 - 09/07/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Right away I see some flaws in this list

Heroin? Methadone? Morphine?? Opiates are famous for inducing a dream state, nodding off. But they also give me vivid dreams in the regular sense.

The benzodiapienes on this list also cause extremely vivid dreams for me.



  If you want to blank out dreams Id get a proper sleeping pill from the doc- one that will pur you out all night


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Re: Non-active dream suppressors [Re: Blabble40]
    #23623749 - 09/07/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Heroin?


edit: Lol I just noticed the other guy questioned the opiates too.


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Re: Non-active dream suppressors [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23627191 - 09/08/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well yeah, it was more of a tentative list. As you can see THC is on there but it has also been known to supposedly give people more vivid dreams - it might depend on the person. I would need to go through the list and cross them off.

But yeah, none of the traditional sleeping pills are really on the list.


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Re: Non-active dream suppressors [Re: Blabble40]
    #23627426 - 09/08/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well of course THC would be on there, it's one of the most dream suppressing drugs out there.


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Re: Non-active dream suppressors [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23627436 - 09/08/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I hate dreaming. It ruins my sleep. I wake up feeling exhausted from feeling dreams all night. I love when its that kinda sleep where its pure black darkness and you don't even exist. <3333 best sleep ever.


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Re: Non-active dream suppressors [Re: uhyeah]
    #23629483 - 09/09/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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AuroraBorealis88 said:
Well of course THC would be on there, it's one of the most dream suppressing drugs out there.



Well yeah but the thing with that is that, as some kind of side effect, some people say it makes their dreams more intense. The divide seems to be 50/50. So, in theory, if you are one of those people then you can't use it for dream suppression. Furthermore, it's typically active and some people who need or want their dreams suppressed may not feel comfortable taking it, given any side effects (maybe they have a job interview coming up and need a pee test? ;etc).

Another thing is that it would have to be reliable. Then, the desire of suppressing your dreams would have to be looked at as a serious concern. As I've said before elsewhere, the dream blocking properties of cannabis, at least in my experience, have been dependent mostly on tolerance. So, once tolerance is high enough and the pot less and less effective in that sense, my dreams will sort of seep through - but will still be weak and dull. If I stop smoking there, the next dream I have will be incredibly more vivid. Perhaps that can be well enough for the aforementioned purposes, but is still kind of interesting.
Another practice or recommendation would probably have to be, as per prescription orders, to schedule your sleep around the major rem periods, so that in lieu with the medication you will be sleeping when the brain waves aren't liable to support and produce dream.
But this is just in connection with how cannabis affects and alters the dream experiences.
There was a guy on here who said he's been smoking almost everyday for years, right before bed, and has the most vivid dreams. If this isn't related to a tolerance allowing this, then he could be one of the purported people whose dreams are increased via pot. It would seem this is due to personal physiology.
On the other hand, in my own experience, I recently, after a few days break, hung out with some people and smoked two joints before retiring to bed. I had a semi vivid dream, which I did not write down. This is in contrast to my usual experience, and most others who say it dulls their dreams. However, I may have slept longer than usual here allowing for brain wave processes promoting rem sleep/dreams. More often than not though, pot seems to delete dreams.


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uhyeah said:
I hate dreaming. It ruins my sleep. I wake up feeling exhausted from feeling dreams all night. I love when its that kinda sleep where its pure black darkness and you don't even exist. <3333 best sleep ever.



Intense dreams can leave you lagging a bit in the morning after a wake up.
Whenever I have been intoxicated by pot, thought, my sleep resembles the darkness kind. This is what the goal would be for those wishing to suppress dreams/nightmares, for whatever reason. Honestly, I'm not too much a fan of that sleep. Even when I have tried to focus and lucid dream on a clean system I get that kind of experience.
I think it's believed that everyone dreams every night even if you don't remember it. If there are any mental dangers it could be that it makes you not dream, which could be psychologically traumatizing, or you do dream and just don't remember it. Two different scenarios.

There are a number of different hypnotics with their own effects. Some of them are benzos, which have been implicated in causing vivid dreams. It's just trial and error to see which ones don't typically cause vivid dreams. I would hypothesize that the antihistamines may be a good place to start.

But in others news I recently heard that anti-malaria medication has the side effect of causing vivid dreams. Don't think drowsiness is a typical side effect.


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