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Datura Inoxia experiment
    #23621744 - 09/07/16 11:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey guys. I'm new to this site.
Looking for helpful and personal experiences rather than hearsay.
I have datura readily available. Does anyone have experience of mixing datura seeds with the leaves and flowers?
I have a few questions

Should all parts be mixed for tea and/or smoking? If so. To what ratio?

Do the leaves lose potency during drying?

Should any part of the plant be extracted first or is it better in its natural form?

What's the best recipe for pleasurable experience?

I am going to experiment later and I will post experiences but I would like to do it with the knowledge and experiences of others. I am not aiming for the delirium but a pleasurable trip.

I'm an experienced ketamine user and have experimented with mushrooms and different  herbs.

I'm not a party person. I'm more a spiritual person. I enjoy meditation and being disassociated. I am fully aware of the dangers that lady datura can bring to users and want to experiment with full respect to her and her plant.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Bailey]
    #23626127 - 09/08/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't expect this to be pleasurable; deleriants aren't fun for most people.
Look on Erowid under the preparation and recipes section of datura experiences, there is a guide for using (m)ethyl alcohol to extract the alkaloids from the plant. This way you have a much more consistent method of dosing and are less likely to poison yourself. Be careful.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: saythatagain]
    #23626237 - 09/08/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've tried the methyl extraction and while it didn't work for me I don't think it's necessary for safety purposes. The seeds are a fine way to dose, you can just count out your dose and build up from 5, 15, 30 or whatever until you find your sweet spot. I've never used the leaves or flowers; I understand the alkaloids are in the seeds. I also haven't made a tea before, the seeds don't taste that bad.

And yea, it's not really pleasant. It is an interesting experience to me, but you have to commit to the exploration and accept the encumbering side effects like constricted throat and blurry eyes.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Icon]
    #23626256 - 09/08/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I tried datura when I was a teenager. I used 2 seed pods to make a tea. I ended up in the hospital with a dangerously high heart rate and a catheter down my dick. I do not recommend datura.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Bailey]
    #23627920 - 09/09/16 03:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For harm reduction purposes I feel inclined to make you aware of much safer options when it comes to anticholinergic deliriants such as diphenhydramine or dimenhydrinate. While neither are any more recreational than datura and I wouldn't ever recommend you take them recreationally they can at least be dosed accurately. Datura can not be dosed accurately.

Fwiw racetam class nootropics effectively reverse anticholinergins. Definitely something I would highly recommend having on hand if you are gunna be the dumbass who chooses to try and use anticholinergins recreationally.

It feels like poison bro. Don't do it.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Zombi3]
    #23627933 - 09/09/16 03:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I once mentioned the word datura around a guy who had done it. He looked at me all wide eyed and made me promise him right there on the spot that i never do datura... He said it still fucks with him till this day...


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Rainman13]
    #23628078 - 09/09/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for your replies. Well like I said, I am experimenting with caution and  respect. I'm not a dumbass. Unlike the person that used 2 seed pods. That's just irresponsible and silly. Well I have done a little experimenting over the past 2 days.

Night 1  - I took one dried leaf and 1 flower. Grinded it. Smoked one bowl and one one joint out of it. The result was very pleasant. Very much like weed. A light headed, stoned feeling which lasted around 1.5hours. No blurred vision. No nasty side effects or comedown. Had a pleasant sleep with vivid dreams.

Yesterday I ate 3 seeds in the afternoon while gardening. This had no effect.

After enjoying the smoke I attempted to do an acetone extract with the leaves and a few flowers. The extracted datura seemed to be less strong.

I will keep you posted on updates. Please guys. I don't want to hear. "I've heard", or "dont do it" or "its dangerous".

I am fully aware of this and the point of the post is to gain knowledge from personal experiences. Not hearsay, or thoughts. Factual and helpful experiences. The reason it's difficult to find real info on datura is because so many people fill up, what should be useful and educational forum posts, with negative 2nd and 3rd hand stories


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Bailey]
    #23628104 - 09/09/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

ALL recreational datura consumption is irresponsible and silly.
There is no way at all for you to know the potency of your material. The one flower and one leaf you ate could have absolutely been as strong as 2 full seed pods and could have ended badly.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Zombi3]
    #23628168 - 09/09/16 06:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Theres multiple reports of high doses of tropane alkaloids irreparably damaging short term memory. Scopolamine is even used as a model for research on alzheimers disease. You should definitely stick to low doses.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23628259 - 09/09/16 07:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This thread is kind of outside the scope of the garden forum, but we can keep it for harm reduction and information purposes.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #23628418 - 09/09/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There are old shamans and bold shamans but there are no and old bold shamans - Terence Mckenna
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BTW all parts of the plant contain active compounds from root to seed.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Bailey]
    #23628518 - 09/09/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

is your quest as a shaman is too become more sick then you ever imagined humanly possible?.Some young people don't have the whole risk reward thing figured out.
picture from my yard a week ago. Now the pods have formed.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23628549 - 09/09/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

what a coincidence!!!... mine too... Datura Metel.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: amonra]
    #23628582 - 09/09/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They grow wild all over the place here!





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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23628733 - 09/09/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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They grow wild all over the place here!








Same here. I'm at work and found this growing on the premises. Pretty sure it's stramonium.



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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23629230 - 09/09/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you still want to dose with plant material I suggest you grind up seeds and mix thoroughly and use the resultant powder, so you get something pretty much homogenous.
I have a dph report if you want to check it out. I was poorly prepared and it ended up being pretty awful. I will, however try an ancholinergic again eventually.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: saythatagain]
    #23629829 - 09/09/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There's probably 75-200 seeds in every pod. I don't think anyone would need more than 50 seeds from an average pod for a "recreational" experiment. I also think it's reasonable to assume that each seed in a pod is going to be similar maturity and potency. Therefore I don't see the problem in experimenting with low doses from a single pod.

You can safely count out 3 seeds, 5, 15, 20, 30, 40 over consecutive trials to work up to the effective dose for that pod.

I found the experience to be very interesting and when you do your research and take it responsibly there is very little risk. I never took a high dose or even passed into delirium; but at 40 seeds I got a very unique perspective of reality that I think was just as insightful as any mind altering experience.

The fear mongering has always shocked me. The dose threshold is not too critical for a responsible person to navigate.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23629830 - 09/09/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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They grow wild all over the place here!








Same here. I'm at work and found this growing on the premises. Pretty sure it's stramonium.






Yeah,mine is  stramonium as well.

Yours probably chose a bad spot to sprout,although it looks pretty darn good,despite that fact:yesnod:


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23629866 - 09/09/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah it's right up against a west facing wall in the lowest point on the property. It gets plenty of afternoon sun and runoff. Beautiful plants, but only to be enjoyed with your eyes.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Bailey]
    #23630390 - 09/09/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Here is my main man Terrance M Talking about the danger of Datura.
He starts talking bout it withing the first 10 sec.

When I hear someone say I'm going to eat Datura I get the same feeling
as if I heard someone say I'm gonna put my hand in the blende3r.
I've had some horrendous experiences on certain drugs. Always start low...



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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Bailey]
    #23631214 - 09/10/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Datura is not one to play around with, it's better to grow for show because it looks cool, and smells great.

I don't recommend Datura, as other have stated, you're very likely to end up in a hospital.


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Zombi3]
    #23631323 - 09/10/16 03:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Night 1  - I took one dried leaf and 1 flower. Grinded it. Smoked one bowl and one one joint out of it. The result was very pleasant. Very much like weed. A light headed, stoned feeling which lasted around 1.5hours. No blurred vision. No nasty side effects or comedown. Had a pleasant sleep with vivid dreams.




This is exactly what I have experienced so far. I tried smoking Datura and Brugmansia leaves and flowers several times. Both plants create similar effects when smoked, a mellow high not unlike Cannabis.
They also synergize very well, I like a Datura-Cannabis mix a lot! I mix it 1:1:1 with weed and tobaco when I roll a joint. No oral ingestion so far.

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ALL recreational datura consumption is irresponsible and silly.
There is no way at all for you to know the potency of your material.




Naah, it's the same as with any other drug: Collect a whole bunch of dried leaves /flowers, grind and mix them well, then start low and work your way up.
Your material will be 100% consistent in potency anytime you dose. This is the way to go whith any drug, Datura (or nightshades in general) is no exception.
Sure it's foolish to collect a few leaves and eat them. A quater of a small leaf could be more than enough for an uncomfortable few days ride.


The herb should be collected at night when the plant is blooming, then the alkaloid concentration is said to be the highest.

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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23631328 - 09/10/16 03:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Night 1  - I took one dried leaf and 1 flower. Grinded it. Smoked one bowl and one one joint out of it. The result was very pleasant. Very much like weed. A light headed, stoned feeling which lasted around 1.5hours. No blurred vision. No nasty side effects or comedown. Had a pleasant sleep with vivid dreams.




This is exactly what I have experienced so far. I tried smoking Datura and Brugmansia leaves and flowers several times. Both plants create similar effects when smoked, a mellow high not unlike Cannabis.
They also synergize very well, I like a Datura-Cannabis mix a lot! I mix it 1:1:1 with weed and tobaco when I roll a joint. No oral ingestion so far.

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ALL recreational datura consumption is irresponsible and silly.
There is no way at all for you to know the potency of your material.




Naah, it's the same as with any other drug: Collect a whole bunch of dried leaves /flowers, grind and mix them well, then start low and work your way up.
Your material will be 100% consistent in potency anytime you dose. This is the way to go whith any drug, Datura (or nightshades in general) is no exception.
Sure it's foolish to collect a few leaves and eat them. A quater of a small leaf could be more than enough for an uncomfortable few days ride.


The herb should be collected at night when the plant is blooming, then the alkaloid concentration is said to be the highest.

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Love your photos in your sig of the datura! Beautiful plant... but as far as ingestion goes... imo... Fuck that for a joke...

How did it go for you when you smoked it? Can you be more specific on details? Any sort of delirum or just a dreamy sort of feeling?


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Rainman13]
    #23631339 - 09/10/16 04:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Rainman13 said:Can you be more specific on details? Any sort of delirum or just a dreamy sort of feeling?




When smoked, to me Datura creates a mellow bodyhigh like a sedating indica, mixed with the cearheaded but little trippy mind I get from LSA, if this makes any sense.
Compared to weed it keeps the mind sharp and clear but dreamy, allthough everything seems to be dulled in a familiar way.

Don't know how to put it in words. It feels little colder than weed, but not unpleasant at all. When mixed with weed it adds this sharp line, clear but cold dimension to the mental high.

//edit: I want to add that Datura leaves are easy to smoke.
The smoke widens your bronchia, that's why Datura joints have been sold as astma-medicin for decades. No coughing, in fact you can breath well after smoking.

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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23631342 - 09/10/16 04:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

is it pleasnt or its just there, sort of things? Sounds intersting.... Sounds like something i would be willing to try but the fact that its datura just completley puts me off actually wanting to do it. Sounds intersting though... Even reading trip reports of proper delirium is veery interesting


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Rainman13]
    #23631355 - 09/10/16 04:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think you can reach delirium by smoking the leaves, the effects are limited by this ROA.

Noone I know "went crazy" or saw imaginary people after smoking Datura. And all literature I've read so far claims that smoking is not only a save, but the way to go /start.

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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23636710 - 09/11/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I smoked a couple big joints once, felt real sick and could see through my eyelids.  Ground up seeds, stuffed 3 gel caps another time. Really no buzz to speak of, just couldn't tell what was real or hallucination. I was seeing and talking to people who weren't there, dropping stuff I wasn't even holding, having these brain zaps with flashes of light, forgetting where I was and couldn't read for 2 days after. I consider myself lucky, that wasn't the half of it.

I'm with everyone who says leave it alone, but sometimes a person just has to find out for themselves, if there's no talking you out of it just be careful dude:thumbup:


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Re: Datura Inoxia experiment [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23636883 - 09/11/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

DO NOT EXPERIMENT WITH DATURA.

Each seed can vary in dosage. I highly recommend against experimenting with this but if you do make a large batch from all your seeds then start with a VERY low dose and wait a week between dose so you don't accumulate the compound in your body and end up taking more then you wanted. Work up slowly until you reach the dose you want.

When the batch is done do not use the same amount you worked up to and start again from a small amount as each batch will be different potency.

BE VERY CAREFUL AND HAVE A SITTER. This drug is often discouraged for good reason.


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