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Casing help needed, Urgent
    #23620640 - 09/07/16 03:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is first time I'm cultivating Mushroom. Everything went well except the casing I guess. I wanted to mix coco coir n verm 50/50 but friend of mine suggested to use just the coco coir without mixing anything also advise not to put black bin bags in the base. I initially planed to use the foil at the bottom. Anyways, So I cased it following way-
Bottom layer coco coir n than colonized grains (I used organic corn) n than another layer of coco coir on top. Depth of casing is more than 3 inches. I checked first on 7th day, I see mycelium on some of the boxes on top.

I have attached the pictures if the same. Can you advise. These pics where taken when it was 7 days old sitting in box in my wardrobe in dark.











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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: herbcollector]
    #23620688 - 09/07/16 04:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not an expert on casings but I think that's too thick for a casing. That looks like a bulk grow that wasn't mixed evenly.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Tira]
    #23620713 - 09/07/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah we planned for the bulk. We have 8 box out of four box top layer is about 1cm and other 4 r about 2 cm thick. We just wanted to experiment to see how grow will be


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: herbcollector]
    #23620716 - 09/07/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

that is a bulk sub not a casing


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Tira] * 1
    #23620719 - 09/07/16 04:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OK, the first thing you should do is ignore any more advice that your friend decides to give. While coir does hold a good amount of water, there is a reason why people use verm in their mix. Also, if you are following the bucket tek, the ratio is not 50/50 so follow the tek to a T until you are confident in your alterations. Additionally, a liner will help you prevent side pins, which can be all you get while you are still learning when to mist and how much. Use the search engine, follow the teks and ignore your friend.

I am sorry to say that that tray looks like it won't be fruiting. After 7 days, it should be fully colonized at the very least. Depending on what variety you are growing, it is possible to have pins by that time. You need to manage your expectations right now and start working on your next grow.

Also, don't colonize anything in the dark. Light is beneficial in every point of the mushroom's/mycelium's life cycle. Colonizing in the dark has zero advantages.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23620759 - 09/07/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm growin Psilocybe cubensis Hawaii. There is no alteration that I can do to save this


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: herbcollector]
    #23620789 - 09/07/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm growin Psilocybe cubensis Hawaii. There is no alteration that I can do to save this




Maybe taking your chances by mixing it up into a bulk substrate? Just thinking out loud here, don't take my word, ask a TC.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Tira]
    #23621071 - 09/07/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Shall wait till weekend, If no progress I will try to mix with bulk sub. Do u advise to mix it up with existing coco coir and layer it with new sub. This time I will mix verm along coco coir and check.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: herbcollector]
    #23621313 - 09/07/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That won't work. You have already mixed it with a bulk sub and it's stalling due to contaminants. Mixing more bulk is just going to give the contaminants more room to grow, it's not going to magically make your mushroom mycelium take over.

If you really have to keep it, just leave it in the fruiting chamber until it goes moldy but your best course of action is to start working on your next grow. Wasting time on something like this is just going to piss you off even more. If there's one thing I learned in this hobby, it's spotting when something is not going to be worth the effort.

Lets say that you magically get that thing to fully colonize, somehow. You still have other shit growing on it due to the fact that it's stalling. Ask yourself, how well is the mycelium able to perform? That said, there is nothing else to be done here except trashing it and starting over. A healthy bulk sub should be fully colonized by day 7.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23621524 - 09/07/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think im gonna try all option in different place cause I have another 4 jars. I will leave it in the fruiting chamber, lets see what comes out it. Thanks for the help guys. I will keep posted.


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    #23621548 - 09/07/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If those jars are fully colonized, now would be a good time to start learning to spot bacteria in jars by posting pics and asking the community. It will save you a lot of heartache in the future. Bacteria is generally much harder to spot and especially to get rid of, learning to read the signs as early as possible is a skill worth having.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23621975 - 09/07/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

These were the perfectly colonized corns.. Full power white. No green, black, blue or any other patches..these where in the whiskey glasses, easy to slide. (and it did slide easy) I should have put the cake in terrarium. Got greedy with bulk:( . I think I screwed up with the moisture of sub. Well you learn from mistakes.. Will try again.:cool:


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: herbcollector]
    #23622194 - 09/07/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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These were the perfectly colonized corns.. Full power white. No green, black, blue or any other patches..





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Bacteria is generally much harder to spot and especially to get rid of, learning to read the signs as early as possible is a skill worth having.




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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23675438 - 09/24/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hi Supalemonhazen n Tira, I took the bulk sub and kept in fruiting chamber for a week and here is the result. Just thought to share with you. Have a look and advise please. Mushrooms are growing in the sides against the plastic.


So I removed it from the plastic container and kept on foil on wet perlite.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: herbcollector]
    #23675850 - 09/25/16 04:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Are you using a SGFC as fruiting chamber and are those polyfill stuffed holes in the backround of the pic?

If so, remove the polyfill so FC will get some fresh air.  Having a constantly humid environment will increase chances of contamination of your uncolonized (so already pretty prone to contamination) substrate.

Just let them fruit like that and be happy you even got fruits .)  and maybe clean the uncolonized bits so you won't get contams as easily.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Tira]
    #23675859 - 09/25/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Just saw your fruiting chamber build in another thread.  You need more holes on your walls and you need to drill some holes on the top and the bottom.

and remove the polyfill, it won't help with contams; it will actually help them as it lowers fresh air echange and most contams love a humid environment.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: herbcollector]
    #23675886 - 09/25/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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This is first time I'm cultivating Mushroom. Everything went well except the casing I guess. I wanted to mix coco coir n verm 50/50 but friend of mine suggested to use just the coco coir without mixing anything also advise not to put black bin bags in the base. I initially planed to use the foil at the bottom. Anyways, So I cased it following way-
Bottom layer coco coir n than colonized grains (I used organic corn) n than another layer of coco coir on top. Depth of casing is more than 3 inches. I checked first on 7th day, I see mycelium on some of the boxes on top.

I have attached the pictures if the same. Can you advise. These pics where taken when it was 7 days old sitting in box in my wardrobe in dark.













Thick layers bro. I mix bottom and make a thin top layer.
It dont gotta be left in the dark.
You got your sgfc yet?  A Polyfull chamber? Shoot it with a shotgun through the bottom to the top from 30 feet away, or drill a bunch of holes.  Then add the hydrated dusty white rocks.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23678199 - 09/25/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Already made the sgfc, two tubs are fruiting in side and against the plastic. My mistake should have put liner at the bottom. Anyways I have removed it from tub and placed it on sgfc and kept aluminum foil below. Growth of cubes are good so far.


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Tira]
    #23678215 - 09/25/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The reason I kept the polyfill cause the holes on the tubs are too big, Didnt get the 1/4 inch bit drill so used the 12mm. This made me to loosely stuff the poly. Do you advise to remove it?:confused:


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: herbcollector]
    #23678700 - 09/26/16 04:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

How big are they?


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Tira]
    #23681649 - 09/26/16 11:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

its 0.5 inches, Bottom of the box I have used the soldering iron to make home(Looks dirty though cause of plastic melts). On the lid no holes. Since it was big, I stuffed poly very loosely. They are growing petty well though.

3days old



On the sides and back small pins heads are coming up, I noticed yesterday. Do you still advise me to remove the poly from the box ?


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Re: Casing help needed, Urgent [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23681673 - 09/26/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That won't work. You have already mixed it with a bulk sub and it's stalling due to contaminants. Mixing more bulk is just going to give the contaminants more room to grow, it's not going to magically make your mushroom mycelium take over.

If you really have to keep it, just leave it in the fruiting chamber until it goes moldy but your best course of action is to start working on your next grow. Wasting time on something like this is just going to piss you off even more. If there's one thing I learned in this hobby, it's spotting when something is not going to be worth the effort.

Lets say that you magically get that thing to fully colonize, somehow. You still have other shit growing on it due to the fact that it's stalling. Ask yourself, how well is the mycelium able to perform? That said, there is nothing else to be done here except trashing it and starting over. A healthy bulk sub should be fully colonized by day 7.




Hi, Some how I manage to get it fruit. No contamination noticed on the mushroom or the mycelium . Out of eight 5 boxes work. Three had the problem with coco coir, the top layer was too thick and too moist. I dont know why i missed out the liner (My mistake, I had it but missed it ). The mushrooms were growing against the plastic so removed from the plastic tubs and placed on the foil on the Perlite (SGFC).

2 days old mushies, 3rd morning I clicked this pic



Your views. Thanks !!


Edited by herbcollector (09/27/16 03:08 AM)


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