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Seriously questioning my religious views * 1
    #23620280 - 09/06/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've been Christian my whole life and was always pretty happy about it.
Lately though I've been really thinking about it and after a few deep psilocybin trips and a crazy LSD trip recently I've really started to question myself...
I'm definitely still deeply spiritual and always will be, but yea I don't really think I would label myself a Christian anymore. Anybody in the same boat?


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23620298 - 09/06/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've often wondered how someone who has been deep can reconcile their structured religious views.
I was a devout atheist before...now :shrug:


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23620325 - 09/06/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm definitely still deeply spiritual and always will be





Just because you think you might not be OK with everything Christianity is about, does not mean you're not spiritual.

I hit that point years ago, I wasn't a hardcore Christian or anything, but I went through a period of my life where I felt like being involved in a spiritual practice would be good for me.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Lucis]
    #23620339 - 09/06/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Christoanity was such a big part of my life, or at least it was always there and familiar. It feels weird not calling myself Christian. Like it feels like something huge has changed in my life when really not much has.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: pineninja]
    #23620364 - 09/06/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I was a devout atheist before...now :shrug:



Likewise. I was brought up in an atheist household. For as long as I can remember I have bitterly hated the word 'god' because of its association with organised religion.

However having now found, and come into contact with, what I believe is god/the source/etc, and feeling that whilst it is undoubtedly there, although inherently not understandable to us in our present form, I realise that it is actually organised religion that I hate.

I love 'god', more than anything I have ever known.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23620401 - 09/06/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

dont second guess yourself.  your first instinct is right. 


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] * 1
    #23620407 - 09/06/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You gotta question everything in your life at some point


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] * 1
    #23620408 - 09/06/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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dont second guess yourself.




Don't just teach your children to read... Teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything.

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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #23620410 - 09/06/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Synchronistically timed post there Zombi!


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #23620411 - 09/06/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea man I saw that too bro!!! The universe lol


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23620425 - 09/06/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fuckin Amen to that. She moves in mysterious ways, but sometimes, it feels like you can get a glimpse of them.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23620429 - 09/06/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

drugs seperate your connection to the divine.  that is why muslims and other religions do not drink.  Or use.


Anyway I think that once you've accepted Jesus as Gods gift and payment for your sin debt you're gonna be alright.  Everyone questions things, it's human.  Just like every human being has thought about suicide at some point, it's normal.  If you were to stop using drugs I know you would re-establish your eternal connection with God and Christ.  It is the correct way, and there is nothing that is more important in this life.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] * 3
    #23620437 - 09/07/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i Always felt closer to The Devine when I was frying on shrooms n shit


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23620472 - 09/07/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i Always felt closer to The Devine when I was frying on shrooms n shit



Me too. Meditation gets me just as close at times though, as well as certain random life events when sober.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23620475 - 09/07/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i Always felt closer to The Devine when I was frying on shrooms n shit






it feels like it connects you with the cosmos and the universe for sure.  I liked watching sunsets, the colors would be so bright and beautiful.  And looking at the stars Id think about light VS darkness.  so cool.  I dont do that stuff anymore tho.  as you get older and have more negative experiences happen in life it taints your overall view of things I think.  shit isnt rainbows and cheese no more.


@jokeshop.  my favorite times in life have been in meditation and having conversations with God.  :smile:


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] * 1
    #23620482 - 09/07/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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as you get older and have more negative experiences happen in life it taints your overall view of things I think.



It doesn't have to be this way. It just takes putting in some serious effort struggling against the current that drags us to this perspective at times.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3] * 3
    #23621281 - 09/07/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I've been Christian my whole life and was always pretty happy about it.
Lately though I've been really thinking about it and after a few deep psilocybin trips and a crazy LSD trip recently I've really started to question myself...
I'm definitely still deeply spiritual and always will be, but yea I don't really think I would label myself a Christian anymore. Anybody in the same boat?




No, I'm in a different boat. I struggled to become a Christian from a secular-reformed Jewish upbringing. I learned biblical myths from Jewish Sunday school and New Testament myths from my Catholic BFF at age 6. I began to doodle crucifixes in the 12th grade and had a dream of offering Jesus some morphine while he was crucified in my freshman dorm's stairwell. :lol:  An unconscious archetype, the central archetype of the Western psyche was  emerging. I took lots of acid during 3 of my 4 years of college, changed my major from pre-med to philosophy (you can imagine how distraught my parents must have been). After college I got baptized in my BFF's Roman Catholic church, seriously considered becoming a monk (I met with a Franciscan, Benedictine and Cistercian [Trappist] monks), until one day I woke up and realized that all the monks I had met were gay and I wasn't! They had no problem living w/o women). Instead, I completed a Masters degree in theological studies at a reputable United Methodist seminary before going off to grad school for a Ph.D. in Human Development & Clinical psych. I learned a great deal then and I have resumed my studies in theology. I had a terrific tutorial on Plotinus and Pseudo-Dionysus in college with a noted theologian, I learned Yoga, but also the Hesychastic techniques of Prayer of the Heart which served as a cultural-spiritual bridge from India to Greece, East to West.

I went through many phases of Christian, even burning my occult library (regrettably :frown: but I replaced much more eventually) with Wizard® Barbecue Fluid. I was never a complete literalist. One of my professors even suggested that as a Jew, I could think of myself as an ancient Ebionite, which was a sect of Jewish Christians who held non-orthodox beliefs about the nature of Jesus (i.e., that his nature was not "fully man, fully God." I deferred to the mainstream 'belief' at the time. I struggled with celibacy since my philosophy studies, beat myself up emotionally when I gave in to temptations, and tried to live like a monk in my parents' house after college and during seminary. At grad school I was just plain poor so living like a monk was necessary, although I did have sex and felt that God had punished me when I caught Herpes II (it was really my own damn fault not using a condom. The girl knew she had Herpes and didn't tell me).

Jump 38 years to the present. I've read and recommend one of more than a dozen books by Rev. John Shelby Spong (whom I've met thrice): Liberating the Gospels will demythologize the Bible. It allowed me to reconcile faith as a mode of knowing with reason. I also recommend after that deconstruction, Christ in Egypt by D.M. Murdock, who extensively documents many of the New Testament stories as being directly appropriated from the ancient Egyptian Coffin and Pyramid texts. These two books served as a double punch to my faith which was in suspension as it were. There are forms of Christianity which are Panentheistic rather than strictly theistic. Theism often reeks of pure mythology, but in any event, your major concern IMHO is to reframe your understanding of Christian scriptures in a mythicist and even an astrotheological context (Murdock explains this shift in interpretation), and leave any literal, fundamentalist notions far behind. Supplement with Christian Apocrypha and the Nag Hammadi (Gnostic) scriptures. Bottom line: Don't throw baby Jesus out with the bathwater. :nono: :wink:


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 2
    #23621424 - 09/07/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was in the same boat as you OP, not too long ago. I grew up a devout christian, but it didn't really hold up once I started taking psychedelics. I quickly learned that I did not agree with most of the judeo-Christian ideals.
I felt a little strange about this transition, because I knew I was a very spiritual person, I think all humans are actually. However, in the end, Christianity was the round hole to the square peg of psychedelics for me.
Just don't let anyone use scare tactics to steer your beliefs-this is guaranteed bullshit and many religions thrive off of it.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3] * 1
    #23622693 - 09/07/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You gotta question everything in your life at some point




WO you are now a heretic! Christians and other rigid hierarchical authoritarian cults do not like any questioning, and I include our secular culture based in scientism also. IF you 'question' here you can get yourself labeled 'mentally ill'. IE questioning does not have to be verbal form of question, but may manifest in a whole manner of ways. But if these questions disturb the prevailing author-ity then this can cause you trouble

I saw this very eye-opening video few days ago. A psychological experiment where a waiting room was set up with actors, and an unsuspecting person, a young woman. Every time this bell went off the other stood up, and eventually the one who didn't know what was going on did too. When they all one by one went except for the young woman even on her own she began standing every time the bell sounded. And then real people came in and they did too! it was hillarious and deeply sad at the same time

This is how the Christian myth works. It uses the old ploy of divide and control in a very deep way, making you fear nature, and your own body and nature, and others. THEN it has you unstable and can promise you a reward/solution IF you cling to their author-ity, 'heaven', and if you don't?----'hell',:firecum: everlastingly. So all the fear is designed to have you stuck in it, not questioning (in the past the burnt people alive who questioned the 'faith'), but sacrificing your life--and your kids if you have them--to that absurd belief system.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #23622735 - 09/07/16 05:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

fundamentalist notions?  oh really?   


Well if you dont believe in 5 things then you are not a Christian...


-virgin birth
-the diety of Christ (Jesus being he is who he says he is.... God in living flesh).
-the trinity (father, son, holy spirit)
-resurected from death
-his coming again

if you dont believe those 5 things. you're not a Christian.  You're something else.


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