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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3] 2
#23666966 - 09/22/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always see Christian people in the same boat as UFO believers, conspiracy theorists ect ect. as naive people who want to believe in something because they wish it were true and want it to be true so they can feel like they have a special relationship to the universe or 9/11 or UFO's. Like they have a secret knowledge as to the true nature of something. The way I see it, people use religion as a placebo effect to feel better about the fact they're going to die. They use it to help make sense of a chaotic and trendlessly fluctuating universe. They use it as a coping mechanism to stay positive in the face of hopeless and painful situations.
I am not a religious person by any means, like I said 95% of religions are for naive dumb people with really broken bullshit detectors who like to be spoon fed answers which make sense of the trendlessly fluctuating world we live in instead of critically thinking.
I have never been a religious person as to me they are plain as the nose on your face obvious social, political and spiritual institutions designed to exploit the human desire for a spiritual connection to the universe and other people. Exploiting them by taking advantage of peoples spiritual hunger for organizing a class structure in any state or government which is to benefit the state or government. I see most religions as tools for organizing cultures and people to not ask tough questions, to blindly follow authority and get in line and do what your told. I think most religions are apart of one of the greatest scams in the history of humanity. Opium for the masses.
Since I hold such strong beliefs about religion and how christians basically believe that god created his son inside the whom of a virgin (impossible) had him die on the cross for my sins, rise to life after being dead for 3 days then ascending to heaven for all of eternity (impossible.) Who continues to hold the dying on the cross thing over my head forever in the expectation that I'll let god or jesus extort me into following the rules of the particular institution because it allows the people at the top to keep making money, keep trouble makers in line and not have people asking questions about the core beliefs, values and ideology of the institution.
For me personally spirituality is something I struggle with every day and I have not gotten very far with it. It's very hard for me to define it because I don't really understand it. The only way I can describe it is the awareness of my own awareness and the universe is aware of my awareness of it. That's as far as I've gotten. I don't have time to help prop up 2,000 year old religious institutions and help run their scams on a vulnerable and confused public for all of eternity.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: viktor]
#23667071 - 09/22/16 03:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: Seriously? There is no white race
That isn't something for a Jew to decide. If white people want to feel solidarity on the basis of our shared ethnicity that's got nothing to do with you at all.
actually it's got to do with him. you're just making assumptions if you presume he isn't even white, i mean, do you know he's not white himself?
that's just first of all, second of all, race is literally an invented concept. noteworthy for being abused by many social orders as an excuse to fight with other people, just simply due to being "heretics" or "inferior".
all based on the LIE that there are different races within the HUMAN RACE. RACE, simply another word for KIND, as in SUBGROUP.
but lets forget all that, and preach about solidarity...against...the Jew.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#23667110 - 09/22/16 03:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since I hold such strong beliefs about religion and how christians basically believe that god created his son inside the whom of a virgin (impossible) had him die on the cross for my sins, rise to life after being dead for 3 days then ascending to heaven for all of eternity (impossible.).
First, Jesus WAS born to a virgin. He was God in human flesh. and Jesus was perfect, he needed to come in untainted and untouched by sin.
God sent Jesus here as a gift, so that those who believe in him will have everlasting life. he came here to die on our behalf, to pay our sin debt in full because God knows no man is perfect. And there is no one else who can or even would account for our mistakes. If God didn't send Jesus, that leaves just us. Personally I dont want to account for anything I've done, and my answer will be that my acceptance wont be because I deserve it (because I dont) but because he PROMISED.
I always thought that if I treated people well and I did good things for others that should suffice in Gods eyes, but I was wrong. It does not matter the good works you do or how well you treat others.
The fact is that rejecting Gods sacrifice of the death of his only begotten son is a slap in his fucking face. The gracious thing to do would be to accept his gift and say thank you. And logically what is there to lose by believing this? Nothing. If it turns out to not be true then you are out nothing. you die still having lived a good life. But If it IS true, well then it is the most important thing in this life. There is nothing else more important than this. I hate people who hate God.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles]
#23667140 - 09/22/16 04:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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depends what you mean by God. you know that he has a name, right? Yahweh.
or if you don't believe that...that Jesus believed in Him should be enough to convince you.
you know of the Holy Bread, the Supersubstantial, or Spiritual Bread? that is from where? from Jesus, or from the Father, or is it the Holy Spirit?
i know you're no ancient proto-Jewish Baal worshipper. so you must believe in Yahweh, or else must believe in a God higher than Yahweh, but thing is Jesus didn't believe that himself. he thought he was Son of the God Yahweh...not another.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
#23667146 - 09/22/16 04:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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yes, Yahweh. Glad we're on the same page.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles]
#23667157 - 09/22/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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right.
Ok. but you realize that the proto-Jewish cults, pagans, they worshipped Baal, and other gods, right? they were pantheistic.
you realize that Yahweh was just a name given to a particular god, which they proclaimed the Most High (El), and the name YHWH was given because sit amounted to a short-forming of the phrase "Shasu of YHW" from Egyptian tablet inscriptions? an approximate meaning derived is "wind blows". you know why that is? because Yahvh is an aniconic re-labelling of an old Sumerian God (which the Egyptian "Walking People of Yah" is derived from) Enlil, the very same "Storm-God" who controls the Shroomery under the guise of an Administrator named Ythan. see the connections?
true story.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
#23667166 - 09/22/16 04:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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thats all real nice and everything but I dont understand the point is or message you're trying to convey.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles]
#23667185 - 09/22/16 05:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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well, there is alot of disagreement within even the Christian side of things about what is really going on...i'm sure you've heard of the Gnostics.
anyway, even in this modern day, still, there is disagreement of whether Jesus is a literal embodiment of God, or is more like someone "anointed", meaning that he has the power of God given to him by God...see, my point is that i'm wondering what you believe, in earnest. i want to know if you believe in Jesus more than you do Yahweh. 
i mean Jesus, AKA The Light-Bearer, AKA Lucifer, AKA Yeshua; the Ain Soph Aur.
do you believe Jesus is as he's portrayed, or do you side with the Jewish Rabbi's and say Jesus isn't who he says he is?
i think it's fair to say, it's a personal choice what you believe, but what you believe could get you closer to either a former planet God, or one actually Nameless, and thus, closer to the Infinite Light of the manifestation of the Logos, Shabd, or Word.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
#23667191 - 09/22/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe Jesus is God, and as so existed long before coming to earth taking human form. When he's coming back is what I'm more concerned about.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles]
#23667193 - 09/22/16 05:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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well, i'm just making sure that you're not confusing YHVH with Jesus, and vice versa.
and the eschatology is alllll undecided upon still, as well.
personally, i realize that everything returns to fire, but that doesn't mean anything unless you think about it spiritually. and i know that for a fact, Hell is unrealized. no one knows how this actually works, it's all guesses.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: pineninja]
#23667786 - 09/22/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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pineninja said: Its one thing to ask questions it's another thing to make the answers up.
It is one thing criticizing what someone has said; it's another thing to put your money where your mouth is and explain the position you are defending?
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles]
#23668187 - 09/22/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sprinkles said: I believe Jesus is God, and as so existed long before coming to earth taking human form. When he's coming back is what I'm more concerned about.
Sprinkles, check this out...
Revelation 12 "Sign in the Heavens" occurs next year. <><
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles]
#23668246 - 09/22/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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First, Jesus WAS born to a virgin. He was God in human flesh. and Jesus was perfect, he needed to come in untainted and untouched by sin.
First, you are a literalist. You believe absurd stories and want others to do too.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: zzripz]
#23668295 - 09/22/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is it absurd when talking about God? Are you a materialist?
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles]
#23669412 - 09/22/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since I hold such strong beliefs about religion and how christians basically believe that god created his son inside the whom of a virgin (impossible) had him die on the cross for my sins, rise to life after being dead for 3 days then ascending to heaven for all of eternity (impossible.).
First, Jesus WAS born to a virgin. He was God in human flesh. and Jesus was perfect, he needed to come in untainted and untouched by sin.
Being born to a virgin is impossible, being a perfect human being is impossible. Christians usually bullshit their way through this by saying this is a metaphore or something but to be honest to me personally it just smells like straight bullshit that naive people latch onto because it makes them more comfortable to believe in something. Even if that something makes no sense and defies physics, logic and basic common sense. Admitting you don't know is one of the hardest things a person can do. I'm brave enough to admit I don't know because many of the questions religions seek to answer are unknowable and to have a belief based on something unknowable is either arrogant or desperate.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#23669902 - 09/23/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: That happens, here is another example of a Jew telling the truth.
This is all completely relevant to the O.P. Just don't submit to the Galactic Obliteration Device. Your soul will just become food.
What hate? Where?
If you actually read those articles, they are pretty ridiculous. The one about Jesus being a hypocrite for instance, nearly anyone who has studied the Bible could easily refute. The fact that he called his mother Woman? Oh how horrible, crucify him!
You can't nitpick the behavior of a supposed enlightened being that way, or at the very least there are other ways to look at the scripture passages they list.
As for the New Jerusalem, demiurge, borg stuff, that is actually interesting to me because I have always been interested in the gnostic idea of a demiurge but they offer no proof its just their speculation and not particularly well thought out (many of their arguments could easily be challenged). When it comes to spirituality, there is no one truth but a myriad of different perspectives, yet they act as though they are preaching the one truth. Big red flag.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#23669904 - 09/23/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since I hold such strong beliefs about religion and how christians basically believe that god created his son inside the whom of a virgin (impossible) had him die on the cross for my sins, rise to life after being dead for 3 days then ascending to heaven for all of eternity (impossible.).
First, Jesus WAS born to a virgin. He was God in human flesh. and Jesus was perfect, he needed to come in untainted and untouched by sin.
Being born to a virgin is impossible, being a perfect human being is impossible. Christians usually bullshit their way through this by saying this is a metaphore or something but to be honest to me personally it just smells like straight bullshit that naive people latch onto because it makes them more comfortable to believe in something. Even if that something makes no sense and defies physics, logic and basic common sense. Admitting you don't know is one of the hardest things a person can do. I'm brave enough to admit I don't know because many of the questions religions seek to answer are unknowable and to have a belief based on something unknowable is either arrogant or desperate.
Doesn't that depend on your definition of perfect? Meher baba claimed to be perfect.
And who are you to say what is possible and impossible? I'm not saying you have to believe Jesus was born of a virgin, I personally think it was either a mistranslation or mythological story using a physical metaphor to highlight a spiritually significant event. For example there are stories about supernatural events surrounding Buddhas birth also and Jesus is not the only mythological figure conceived other than by normal means.
But why is it so absurd? Are all supernatural phenomena impossible? How do you decide what is and what is not possible?
According to great sages like Ramana Maharshi, not only are such so called miracles possible they arent even any more miraculous than the process of being born naturally. We just don't see natural births as miraculous because we have grown accustom to them.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles]
#23669931 - 09/23/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe Jesus is God
Sun gods are the most common deity in all of human history.
Christ was a sun god. It's why Jesus often is shown with a halo or a sun burst.
Christ, the light of the world. Who rose from the darkness.

God said, "Let light shine out of darkness" (2 Corinthians 4:6)
Christ's birthday, December 25th is based in ancient astrology.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
#23669936 - 09/23/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe Jesus is God
Sun gods are the most common deity in all of human history.
Christ was a sun god. It's why Jesus often is shown with a halo or a sun burst.
Christ, the light of the world. Who rose from the darkness.

God said, "Let light shine out of darkness" (2 Corinthians 4:6)
Christ's birthday, December 25th is based in ancient astrology.
And the sun rises and sets (dies and res-erects).
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Peyote Road]
#23669957 - 09/23/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So many of the story themes in the Bible reflect the signs of the Zodiac.
Fish (Pisces), water/baptism (Aquarius), virgin (Virgo), and so on . . .
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