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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657524 - 09/19/16 12:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Humans are plagued with self-loathing and powerlessness, so the belief we can change is healthy and helpful.

Pema says,

“Hope and fear come from feeling that we lack something; they come from a sense of poverty.
We can’t simply relax with ourselves. We hold on to hope, and hope robs us of the present moment.”


You can call it dogma if you wish. Some of us call it wisdom.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23657536 - 09/19/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

there you go again, moral dogmatism. "some of us". who is "us"?

i don't call it wisdom because it isn't wisdom, friendo.

you lack something, right now. it's called logic. people need to lack something, because they don't already have everything.

a piece of bread is more enlightenment then twenty years of relaxing.

what you're looking to is an old outdated system of abandoning reason to suffering. to denying ones self the activity outside of poverty, because your moral system was derived from poverty. a poverty which you don't exist in.

kill the Buddha you're listening to, because it's not wisdom he espouses.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657561 - 09/19/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dogma is a principle laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.

I've done no such thing. I said "some" people call it wisdom.

I don't worship Krishna, Buddha, Christ, or the Cookie Monster. 

One can be positive and optimistic without hope.

Aristotle said, "Hope is a waking dream."

It's OK to dream, but let's call it what it is.    A dream.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23657566 - 09/19/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

and let's call those sayings what they are, epigrams. and aphorism. a witticism. it's a nice way to say that you can't RELY ON HOPE. that's not to say HOPE IS BAD.

i hope you learn to realize the difference. you are clearly espousing the dogma of authority. you keep quoting authorities on the subject. i'm telling you that is foolish, and to keep doing so is more harm than good, especially in this context. you are giving fallible advice which seeks to be corrected.

hope is literally a feeling. it can't be helped. it's not going to harm you in any way, unless you hold on to false hope, and lose your reasoning. there is no reason to presume that hope, in and of itself, is bad, damaging in anyway, or results in one feigning positivity or optimism, or trading positivity or optimism in lieu for something negative. it's only the attachment to false hope that is negative.

those who are attached to their awareness, are fine. better than fine. and you can hope all you like, as long as it stifles not your awareness.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657599 - 09/19/16 02:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Many people teach against the concept of hope, as it's rooted in a desire that reality be different than it is.

(That said, to believe we can change is another thing.)




no, it isn't another thing. it's the same thing. saying it's something different just for the sake of argument doesn't work.

hope is not rooted in a desire that reality be different than it is, first of all; it is an emotion that can arise from states of no-desire.

secondly: reality is always different that what it once was...and always is. it's ever-changing, and revolving, though it's fundamental mechanics may not see change, invariably, for exorbitant amounts of time, they are always producing new results/reflections that can effect the change of the overall paradigm of reality.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23657662 - 09/19/16 03:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why do you never make sense


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: viktor] * 1
    #23657720 - 09/19/16 04:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

think of my words like zen koans.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23660127 - 09/19/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

To hope would be just to have an opinion that a certain outcome would be better, when all experiences are equal in science, so to have hope would in fact be delusional, hince dream state of consciousness.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23660241 - 09/19/16 10:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

science doesn't deal with emotions, as emotions are subjective. you fail. all science has knowledge of, in regards to emotions, are opinions; as emotions aren't measurable.

:facepalm:

wtf. a person hears something once...automatically they live by it like it's law. hope is bad...HOW?

PS: according to you the emotion 'hope' is delusional. wrong. the emotion can be irrational. there's a difference. it can also be rational..."i have hope that i'll pass the test with what i've studied and put down as my answers".

period.

an emotion isn't delusional just because it can't be quantified. a feeling is as real as it feels. would you call yourself getting mad for being bitchslapped delusional?


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23660763 - 09/20/16 05:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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MarkostheGnostic said:
Your psychotic thinking is excusable, your bigotry and antisemitic language is NOT excusable. You don't know any Jews, you have no Jewish friends and you have nothing but that typical tired paranoia born of deep insecurity. My recommendation with regard to espousing antisemitism here is simply STFU before you get a completely warranted ban. This is not one of those other forums which allows psychopathology free reign.




Don't see any Refugees Welcome signs in Israel. Hillary's murdering Syrians for you and these folks
While Trumpy is Anti War, Isolationist and wants to stop injecting Israeli poisons into american babies, children youth so you don't like him. The entire establishment backs Hillary along with so called tripper MarkTheGnostic. CONFORM OR STFU.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #23660811 - 09/20/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

false dichotomy. when you're falling pray to black-and-white thinking, you know you've drunk too much kool-aid.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662086 - 09/20/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well I was immunized but I did not get 20 shot's by 2 years of age or 60 by the age of 18. It only takes 1 shot to cause Autism, I could be borderline.



I am not an American and I don't care, I didn't ask for this election to be a part of my life. This shitty News Paper comes to my house every day and it shits on Trump and Trumps Hillary every day.  It is clear that the entire establishment opposes Trump in the media circus. Talk about black and white.

Will Trump really put a stop to injecting filth into babies? That would be real spiritual.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #23662095 - 09/20/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

oh yeah, i forgot, Trump is anti-vaccine.

:facepalm: thanks for reminding me.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662331 - 09/20/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I am off the kool aid, all of it. I know Jews, I've read their books and I have empathy for humankind. Gentile children are raised on kool aid, when/if we grow up we get off it.
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What I Learned From The Psychiatric Industry
September 16, 2016 Seaxwulf 21 Comments
I’m somewhat averse to blowing my own horn and writing about myself… However, during a spring cleaning session through which I cleaned out the Underworld (my basement) I was confronted with a large swathe of my past. It occurs to me that a lot of my experiences are (a)typical an illustrative of so much of what Renegade has been preaching since I began listening to the Lads back in 2013.

My trip down memory lane began with the finding of my birth records, which were buried in the same box as the legal paperwork my father saved from when I was taken to court in Middle School. More on that later.

Experience and observation has taught me what everyone here reading probably already knows. Psychiatry is a parasitic enterprise which comes from alien hands. The psychiatric pulse is not responsible for its handiwork, and is not held accountable for its actions. It is the ultimate mad scientist; a microcosmic metaphor for the broader Zionist scheme that overshadows it like a hulled out sun. (Incidentally, for your pleasure, look up the connections between Israeli and American pharmaceuticals. Significant drug money finds its weight in shekel, coming into Zionist hands.) However, what separates me from the casual observer is that I have distinct memories of my childhood – from the earliest up until my refusal to submit further at eighteen.

Like many American children, at the first sign of abnormal behaviour in me as a boy, the ‘doctors’ and ‘experts’ were quick to prescribe a world of drugs. Their evidence? I had learned to walk before I learned to crawl. I cried, frequently. I had infant insomnia.

Even as an infant I had received promises of antisocial diagnoses. And my parents (mostly my mother) in her desperation and well meaning, trusted in her medicinal saviours. The doctors successfully bred an atmosphere of expectation and dread. From my birth, Ma was conditioned to look for signs of antisocial, sociopathic behaviour. And successfully so. Thanks to dramatic psychiatric standards, there was a psychosis lurking under every rock.

Medications began. And so did methodology. When I resisted medications as a baby, a toddler anyways, the recommendation was; “you’ll have to force it into him, it’s for his own good.” And so I was sat down, held at the shoulders and fed medication. Much like a dog who’s forced to eat pills wrapped in cheese.

My sensory issues were jumped upon. It was never considered that my ‘sensory integration’ was a gift. That my hearing and smell are simply above average. No. It’s an abnormality that needs correcting. The solution? Regular brushings and being massaged with cheesecloth.

By the third grade I was a familiar with various medications. Nortriptyline was a keypoint. The green and white capsules marked my memories as a childhood, and how I would spit them up in secret. Until supervised medication times were implemented.

I want to stress that nobody in my family was a villain. I hold no ill will. My parents were as much a victim as I, as they had been led to do these things by the industry. The industry, which capitalised on their insecurities and exacerbated them, and cared only for more shekels to grease their wheels.

In the second grade I was put on a Ritalin regimen. It ruined my metabolism and gave me bizarre tics. The inclement weight problem was an issue I struggled with until college. Eventually, I caught on, and learned how to fake symptoms. This allowed me to get off a variety of meds. But there was always another Lipshitz, another Silverstein, another Greenberg, another ZOG, waiting to cram something new and exotic into me.

I sat through counselling sessions. My favourite sessions were in Portland, where my parents paid a narcoleptic Jew to sleep while I talked about myself in private. I drew pictures. Less humorous was my child psychiatrist from Freeport, who later was indited for death-threats. He collected purposely mis-prescribed meds from kids to fuel his own addiction. He also intimidated children into behaving. “I can prescribe you something that can kill you so quietly and nobody will even ask any questions.” He was let off the hook with a warning and a censure to his license. The reason? He got a diagnosis for mental trauma because his wife had died in a plane crash.

Where was my excuse?

In Middle School, I came into full swing and was put on watch. Mind you, I was a Middle Schooler in the wake of 9-11 and everyone was a potential terrorist. Especially fat kids with issues. By this time, I had succumbed to an unspoken element of the programming. My survival instinct had come to tell me that the only way to escape from the medication trap was to become “normal.”

Normality, for a Middle School, in today’s society enlists an element of sheepish cruelty. There was a kid – who himself was a bully and a pretentious dweeb – who was ridiculed quite heartily by the hoi polloi. I enlisted myself in their crusade – after all, I had never forgiven the boy for hitting me in my testicles with a whittling stick at Boy Scout camp.

Eventually, because it was known I received counselling, and was on medication, the boy’s mother used me as a scapegoat to make an example to all who would torment the ‘underdog.’ (It pays to be a rich victim.) The mother spun a story. When I recovered my paperwork the other day, I was almost stunned to read the charges against me. (Death threats, assault, vandalism, spreading propaganda in the form of violent artwork.)

There were no significant evidences against me, save for a ghost story I had written, and a picture I had done in art class depicting sodomites and semites roasting in Hell. I was also on record as having called the boy a “faerie god-mother,” and a “goddamned hermaphrodite.” (That last part was true.)

But. I had still touched on a number of extreme taboos. I had threatened diversity: both racial and sexual. This when the glorious LTBBQ XYZ-123 Committee on Perverse Relations had just implemented their clubhouses for young sickos in schools across the country. (Taste the Rainbow, Goy.)

My Counsellor was subpoenaed, and all my sensitive psychological profiles were released to the court and made evidence. In the end, the charges were dropped against me, but I was forced to agree to a ‘voluntary’ restraining order.

This led to a major clamp-down on my psychiatric conditioning. I was then forced to go to youth group counselling with other “autistic” boys. (I’m sorry, I forgot to mention that they added Asperger’s to the increasingly massive list of diagnoses.) It was traumatising enough for me, in that I was grouped with the most neurotic boys that could be found. In my young mind, I came to believe that this is what the world assumed I was. A manic, translucent basement dweller who touched himself at inappropriate times. I then gave up on trying to be normal. There was no hope.

Now I was consumed with becoming a proper social agitator.

This sort of thing went on until I was eighteen. At eighteen I fully exploited consent laws and completely refused any further medication and counselling. I had successfully identified psychiatry as a parasitic and hostile enemy, but I had no ammunition to see the sniveling Jew behind the curtain. It never occurred to me, in my naïveté, to count the common denominators. That virtually all my psychiastrists were Jewish, or at least relied upon Semitic blanket theories, did not bother me. I thought nothing of it. That many of them were open homosexuals, did not occur to me.

None of this occurred to me. It also didn’t matter. I was free of all that then. Or so I thought.

The truth is, the ten years or so of psychiatric youth had robbed me of a natural childhood. I had a weight problem that was not natural. I had no idea if the personality that I had developed was mine, or simply the result of medication. I lacked the necessary instincts to have self-belief. I lacked the components to make certain decisions.

I spent the next five years in relative isolation, attempting to reassemble the puzzle pieces in my brain. Tracing each thought pattern, mapping each response and measuring the emotional outcome. Assessing my body in terms of early youth and present decay.

It wasn’t until mid-college that I saw in full swing the mess that I had become. In a Mission Trip to Guatemala, I realised how comically backwards this all was. In the summer that followed, I lost weight and began to pinpoint the exterior causatives that had held-up my interior deficiencies.

During the year that followed, my truth was revealed. I met an old German Church Lady – a wreck of life. She knew all the things that I had missed, but had all but ceased to care. She medicated herself freely. She sneered and jeered, and was broken. She also took the time to reveal to me that it was precisely the Jew who had so subtlely engineered the decay. It was the Jew who had led us to the path of wanton self-indulgence. We swallowed the poison, but we had no cause for defence for we believed the lies. We Teutons, she and I agreed, were naïve as a race.

It was also through this summer that I discovered Renegade, and oversaw the collapse of my former Catholicism. I suppose, though, that the recovery from that summer begins my writing in Nationalism, and delineates the need to write further.

There is no takeaway from this article. It serves only to illustrate what a youth often goes through, and remind those who might forget, why the weaker do not see our terms. The struggle for the young is real, and for each and every Nationalist, the terms of our extradition from the system came with a significant mental cost.

Ave Victoria.


http://www.renegadetribune.com/learned-psychiatric-industry/

I can relate. Pretty typical. Americans are physically very sick, it's frequently reported in NZ media too. Every wonder why you have to eat shit?


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #23662362 - 09/20/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

WHAT?

eat shit? i don't eat shit. i eat whatever the fuck i want. i've got myself on a pretty healthy diet.

renegadetribune? doesn't sound like it's all to unbiased a source of ethics.

some kid realized that he was supposed to rebel against a cosmically maltreated existence, instead of falling in line with authority?

WHAT THE FUCK does that have to do with Jews?


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23662416 - 09/20/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What the fuck does any of this have to do with the op?


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: brk]
    #23662461 - 09/20/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

people are, very clearly, and obviously, discussing the "questioning of their religious views" and/or OP's religious views; and giving him advice, and refuting unhelpful beliefs, regarding ones views for themselves as a christian, by way of inquiring about the OP's dilemma.

seriously, sorry for coming across ... mean-spirited. the political trash people are trolling with and peddling around makes me start seething. all i am doing is trying to thwart that nonsense, whilst trying to stay on topic.


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    #23662488 - 09/20/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I recommend the therapy my mother used to suggest: "Go bang your head against a wall," to which I'll add, "until you knock yourself out and STFU about hate." :banghead: That's about as compassionate as I can muster for a bigot, psychotic or not. The compassion is directed at the rest of us so we don't have to see shit on the forum. Try conforming to standards of decency. Your paranoid political positions are irrelevant.


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    #23662640 - 09/20/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

what you're looking to is an old outdated system of abandoning reason to suffering. to denying ones self the activity outside of poverty, because your moral system was derived from poverty. a poverty which you don't exist in.

Interesting point.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #23663233 - 09/20/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Although there is some truth in your post, consider this.

I have been part of the NZ mental health system for 21 years and have seen probably 40 psychiatrists or more.

The one doctor who actually told me the truth about the pills and how they were not always necessary and were pushed on patients by drug manufacturers was a Jew.

I'd have to look into the Israeli links to pharma companies and so on, but I can tell you that my experience as a mental health patient does not match up with the idea that Jews are pushing drugs through psychiatry.


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