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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma] 1
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People are lazy and want to be told what to do. They want equally to be spoon-fed like children, only people are also boors without any taste or common sense so they swallow everything that is being fed to them. Look at the number of senseless, ignorant Trump supporters who are not alarmed at his HUGE ignorance about so many important matters (because they're also ignorant) especially his ignorance about nuclear weapons! 'We've got 'em why are they making them? Why not use them?' HELLO!!! How many people actually believe that a greedy psychopath actually regards the Bible as his favorite book? I have no idea, who believes that but it's one of his obvious lies. I don't know what happened to simple common sense, but I digress.
People cannot discern a truly malevolent, power-mad psychopath as being so evil and ignorant as not to vehemently eschew any thought of nuclear weaponry being used offensively, so how can they be expected to study subtle ideas that if taken seriously will also change one's inner and outer life? Like Nero playing his lyre as Rome burned, Trump would be playing with himself in the Cheyenne Mountain Facility with his family as the world burned. How do people who purportedly read the Bible not know anything about the tyrants who were in power throughout the early centuries of Christianity, and not see history repeating itself? Christianity developed within certain historical, cultural, and philosophical milieus. The essential moral teachings are still relevant even if many of the cultural aspects (e.g., regarding slaves, women, homosexuality and beating you children) belong in the dust-bins of history.
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instead of reading it as history and "prophecy", people will read it as commandments and the inerrant word of the deliverer of their souls. they can't see that the Bible has many stories of recompense due to God's many mistakes in trusting humans, and how that might come across in real world affairs. LOL, also, they don't see the actually rationale behind the creation of these texts. but they certainly believe the left are evil, devilish, liars.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: mt cleverest]
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3] 2
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Zombi3 said: I've been Christian my whole life and was always pretty happy about it. Lately though I've been really thinking about it and after a few deep psilocybin trips and a crazy LSD trip recently I've really started to question myself... I'm definitely still deeply spiritual and always will be, but yea I don't really think I would label myself a Christian anymore. Anybody in the same boat?
Let's just look on the bottom of things. What is christianity? A guilt complex that is based on the pretext that you are responsible for everything bad and evil that happened to the world. That you are the cause of literally all crap in the world, to the point that even "God" (who is a jew) had to descent and give its own "Son" so you can be saved, in a staged movie script straight from heaven. According to them, that's how retarded you are. You need to practice "Repenting" which consists of opening your soul to the jews, obeying and serving an otherwise "ominpotent" god, stay away from the Pagan Satan at all costs, and give all your hard earned labor in the form of "Charity" to "Brother Shekelstein" in your local church. Then, if you served the jews enough, you *MAY* be eligible to sing hymns eternally to an egopathic and jealous god in heaven. But oh wait, the bible on tis own states, that thou goyims shall never enter heaven, for thou are dogs in the flesh.
Doesn't mattery Goy! Keep on trying. Maybe if you produce a lot for the jews you will be good Shabbos and you will end up in the 2800 elect slaves of the Jews in the Messianic Empire of "God". Who being all powerful, has failed to obliterate the otherwise, "serving him" Satan, for thousands of years. Whom Satan by the way existed even before "god", and was worshipped by the whole planet, in our "godlessness".
Makes sense. All of it.
You need to repent to the jews, in order for the jews to rectify you for the sins, issues and problems they themselves discovered you have. Because you are such a cattle and a retard. Now make jews your god so they can save you from the problems they discovered that you have. Don't forget to fight to get into the jewish heaven, in which anyway, only 144,000 elect kikes will be. Don't question "god" because you are too dumb to understand anyway.
Guilt is nothing but an emotion that the jews push on humanity to open them to parasitism. This weakness is nothing but turning your blame on yourself for things you have never comitted. If any parasite on nature is advanced, this would be the emotion of choice, only second to love. Why the jews want love? Because the "love" is an attracting principle that works to synthesize opposites in nature. It can unite male and female and make amazing things happen, but wrongly placed it can materialize one's destruction and love for their death. What is mercy? The emotion the parasite jew causes to the human being that has discovered them for what they are and want to remove them from their body.
Due to the fear the servitude has produced, the victim is worried and afraid that removal of the parasite will harm them, which unfortunately may be the case in some ways. But its more worthy to try, than to let the infection happen until you are dead, isn't it? You may actually succeed in living parasite free, soul, mind and body. And get into a new and elevated state. But...But the jew said...Don't try to go above the throne of god (jews) like Satan, for you will be crushed.
Meanwhile in Heaven, there is a recorded video on what happens there:
Aren't you all of Goyims ashamed? Why don't you allow the holy jews to make you a slave, parasitize you, and kill you? Why do you still want to own a goddamned fucking "Soul", even after Rabbi Schneerson said your Soul is just an animal soul made from the "Satanic Spheres"? Just why?
Are you immoral bastards? Yes, that's what you are. No christian morals in you at all. Now, how the fuck will the jew succeed in damning you eternally, goyim? I guess by marital law or military power or something. Well, at least that is the desired plan. Otherwise jews will just lose the war against the "Goyim" and call it a day.
Seriously now, all these programs have the same root.
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MarkostheGnostic said: People are lazy and want to be told what to do. They want equally to be spoon-fed like children, only people are also boors without any taste or common sense so they swallow everything that is being fed to them. Look at the number of senseless, ignorant Trump supporters who are not alarmed at his HUGE ignorance about so many important matters (because they're also ignorant) especially his ignorance about nuclear weapons! 'We've got 'em why are they making them? Why not use them?' HELLO!!! How many people actually believe that a greedy psychopath actually regards the Bible as his favorite book? I have no idea, who believes that but it's one of his obvious lies. I don't know what happened to simple common sense, but I digress.
People cannot discern a truly malevolent, power-mad psychopath as being so evil and ignorant as not to vehemently eschew any thought of nuclear weaponry being used offensively, so how can they be expected to study subtle ideas that if taken seriously will also change one's inner and outer life? Like Nero playing his lyre as Rome burned, Trump would be playing with himself in the Cheyenne Mountain Facility with his family as the world burned. How do people who purportedly read the Bible not know anything about the tyrants who were in power throughout the early centuries of Christianity, and not see history repeating itself? Christianity developed within certain historical, cultural, and philosophical milieus. The essential moral teachings are still relevant even if many of the cultural aspects (e.g., regarding slaves, women, homosexuality and beating you children) belong in the dust-bins of history.
I know you don't take this sensationalism seriously, your just playing with a bunch of drugged out dullard minds and laughing at them. Know one is seriously supporting trump in real life, that's only news papers. No mention of some 2,000,000 dead or dispossessed Lybians by the Hands of Obama and Hillary from you or the papers hmmm wonder why? All American presidents are cold mass murderers, Trump is no different.
Well the looks like it will soon be up with the Trump. The Joker is the Trump. Absolute communism just a couple of months away Hillery Trump or Donald Clinton. A real couple of Jokers. Jokers, Clowns, Jacks, Jacobs and Josephs. Lying, tricking, deranged, saboteur Trumps. Stop lying, all this is for your delight.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
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I started off as pretty much an agnostic or atheist, listening to Hitchens and Dawkins all day long to get a sense of One-Upping everyone. After reading a great deal of atheistic and christian reasoning I got really sick of it. I turned to Alan Watts and later on C.G Jung and that's when I chose to rather be an observer of this great never ending debate that is religion and different philosophies.
With that being said, I quit identifying myself with religious and philosophical beliefs and reasoning. I find great peace in simply being in touch with nature and reading all the points of view people have on these issues. But if I had to put a label and identify with something, it would be the great commentaries on the Upanishads or Taoism. A very western Taoist.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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All American presidents are not cold mass murderers. I'm not even going to engage you on politics after seeing this. YES, there WERE sanctions against Blacks and later Native Americans. No question. But Roosevelt and Truman were not the same kind of beings as Hitler, Hirohito, Mussolini, or Stalin. Grow up. The leader of the free world has to make hard decisions that you or I would not be capable of.
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I was talking to a devout Christian yesterday, and he told me he believes the only way people can solve their problems is thru god. I told him many people solve their problems and overcome huge difficulties independently. He disagreed.
He told me "people can't think their way out of their problems"
(which, BTW, is very similar to an AA slogan)
I've never considered that many Christians might disagree people have the ability to solve their problems, by themselves.
There's no way in hell Jesus would support that bullshit
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: RJ Tubs 202] 1
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RJ Tubs 202 said: I've never considered that many Christians might disagree people have the ability to solve their problems, by themselves.
Christianity is a slave religion, it's considered virtuous to be as weak and helpless as possible.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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Zombi3 said: I've been Christian my whole life and was always pretty happy about it. Lately though I've been really thinking about it and after a few deep psilocybin trips and a crazy LSD trip recently I've really started to question myself... I'm definitely still deeply spiritual and always will be, but yea I don't really think I would label myself a Christian anymore. Anybody in the same boat?
Let's just look on the bottom of things. What is christianity? A guilt complex that is based on the pretext that you are responsible for everything bad and evil that happened to the world. That you are the cause of literally all crap in the world, to the point that even "God" (who is a jew) had to descent and give its own "Son" so you can be saved, in a staged movie script straight from heaven. According to them, that's how retarded you are. You need to practice "Repenting" which consists of opening your soul to the jews, obeying and serving an otherwise "ominpotent" god, stay away from the Pagan Satan at all costs, and give all your hard earned labor in the form of "Charity" to "Brother Shekelstein" in your local church. Then, if you served the jews enough, you *MAY* be eligible to sing hymns eternally to an egopathic and jealous god in heaven. But oh wait, the bible on tis own states, that thou goyims shall never enter heaven, for thou are dogs in the flesh.
Doesn't mattery Goy! Keep on trying. Maybe if you produce a lot for the jews you will be good Shabbos and you will end up in the 2800 elect slaves of the Jews in the Messianic Empire of "God". Who being all powerful, has failed to obliterate the otherwise, "serving him" Satan, for thousands of years. Whom Satan by the way existed even before "god", and was worshipped by the whole planet, in our "godlessness".
Makes sense. All of it.
You need to repent to the jews, in order for the jews to rectify you for the sins, issues and problems they themselves discovered you have. Because you are such a cattle and a retard. Now make jews your god so they can save you from the problems they discovered that you have. Don't forget to fight to get into the jewish heaven, in which anyway, only 144,000 elect kikes will be. Don't question "god" because you are too dumb to understand anyway.
Guilt is nothing but an emotion that the jews push on humanity to open them to parasitism. This weakness is nothing but turning your blame on yourself for things you have never comitted. If any parasite on nature is advanced, this would be the emotion of choice, only second to love. Why the jews want love? Because the "love" is an attracting principle that works to synthesize opposites in nature. It can unite male and female and make amazing things happen, but wrongly placed it can materialize one's destruction and love for their death. What is mercy? The emotion the parasite jew causes to the human being that has discovered them for what they are and want to remove them from their body.
Due to the fear the servitude has produced, the victim is worried and afraid that removal of the parasite will harm them, which unfortunately may be the case in some ways. But its more worthy to try, than to let the infection happen until you are dead, isn't it? You may actually succeed in living parasite free, soul, mind and body. And get into a new and elevated state. But...But the jew said...Don't try to go above the throne of god (jews) like Satan, for you will be crushed.
Meanwhile in Heaven, there is a recorded video on what happens there:
Aren't you all of Goyims ashamed? Why don't you allow the holy jews to make you a slave, parasitize you, and kill you? Why do you still want to own a goddamned fucking "Soul", even after Rabbi Schneerson said your Soul is just an animal soul made from the "Satanic Spheres"? Just why?
Are you immoral bastards? Yes, that's what you are. No christian morals in you at all. Now, how the fuck will the jew succeed in damning you eternally, goyim? I guess by marital law or military power or something. Well, at least that is the desired plan. Otherwise jews will just lose the war against the "Goyim" and call it a day.
Seriously now, all these programs have the same root.
You've been spending too much time on that Joy Of Satan website.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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People who make uncritical declarations about God are still stuck in a separatist mythic level of theism. They often imagine God according to the mythic language of the Bible which frequently likens God to a king on a throne, who is quite Zeus-like according to the same imagery that Greek and Roman myths partake of, in a Hebrew idiom instead. From a more mature and theological level, the English word God has to be approached with great subtlety of thought wherein the idea of God's immanence is admitted instead of just some utterly transcendent 'Other.' The mythic Christian only conceives of God as Theistic, when Panentheistic is a concept that suggests God operating through human beinghood, while not being identical with us humans (which is Pantheism). Atheists are like fish denying the existence of water.
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Atheists i find really stuck in the mud, so to speak, because there needs to be a stance taken against rampant ornery Christiandom sort of invalidating and stomping out people whom ascribe themselves as atheists. know what i mean? sorta like a reaction to that kind of persecution. i think that's why it's ... necessary to an extent. a yin to the fundamentalist yang.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut] 1
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Your psychotic thinking is excusable, your bigotry and antisemitic language is NOT excusable. You don't know any Jews, you have no Jewish friends and you have nothing but that typical tired paranoia born of deep insecurity. My recommendation with regard to espousing antisemitism here is simply STFU before you get a completely warranted ban. This is not one of those other forums which allows psychopathology free reign.
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I was raised in a fairly devout christian, the things that turned me off were A: the first commandment, no, I don't mean "Thou shalt take no gods before me" (Allthough that one did make me think, is god saying there really are other gods?) or even "Go forth and multiply"
no, the first commandment isn't written down anywhere, instead it is drilled into Christians almost before they can read, it is "Thou shall not put a question mark where we, the people who live off your donations, claim God put a period".
which leads to the second reason, to me, and this is only my opinion, it looks like the church, and all religions in general perpetuate themselves by brainwashing children, ever heard of the shakers?
didn't really shake my faith though, I still believe in God, I just don't believe that the church would recognize it if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: viktor]
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RJ Tubs 202 said: I've never considered that many Christians might disagree people have the ability to solve their problems, by themselves.
Christianity is a slave religion, it's considered virtuous to be as weak and helpless as possible.
I thought God helps those who help themselves. Being weak or helpless are not considered virtues in the Bible. Rather, the Bible praises prudence, temperance, justice, courage, faith, patience, hope and charity. These are not the qualities of weak or helpless people.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Peyote Road]
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the bible isn't really clear on that. it's more of a personal motivation, what you're ascribing to.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said: the bible isn't really clear on that. it's more of a personal motivation, what you're ascribing to.
Not sure I understand your meaning.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
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I attempt to be corrective without being reactive. I don't blame people for rejecting anachronistic declarations of 'belief' from so-called Christians who are espousing mythic ideas as actual history. Neither do many people realize that many so-called Christians have not, like 50% of the American population, Formal Operational Thinking in place. Many many so-called Christians have Concrete Operational Thinking, and such people are very concrete in their thinking, hence the name. Speaking of God can at best be metaphorical, not factual. When the Bible uses expressions, like king, wonderful counselor, prince of peace, etc. these appellations are metaphors taken from human roles. Nobody can proclaim that God has desires let alone say what those desires are. Considering the Bible as "the word of God" is a poor attempt to draw ultimate authority from a collection of writings that were selected out of hundreds of other writings to meet the criteria of specific religious and political agendas. These sayings pertain to human God-concepts or to men who allegedly served as mouthpieces for the Deity (the prophets). Notice how many of the most outspoken self-righteous proclaimers of these ethics turn out to be profoundly hypocritical, with wealthy televangelists being the most corrupt amongst them.
The churches no longer oppress the multitudes under a theocracy, so the usual virulent attacks upon Christianity come from those people who have been victims of severe emotional abuse in religious guise when they were children. I heard many stories about the humiliations of Catholic friends at the hands of pathological nuns, decades before I became aware of priestly pedophilia. The Protestant minister who lived next door when I was growing up had a male 'organist' who we pegged as a pedophile. But I again digress. Christian ethics have improved since biblical times towards ownership of slaves and the treatment of women and children, but of course many still cling to condemnation of homosexuals even though there was no word in Greek for homosexual and it was King James (possibly a self-loathing homosexual) who inserted that condemnation in his 1611 English translation of the Greek manuscripts. So, Christian ethics needs to continue to improve in its acceptance, forgiveness, and compassion (agapé).
Atheists can be ethical based on rational Utilitarianism - I've known some. But as soon as one sets the game plan to equate the notation God = Ultimate Reality, and the discussion becomes metaphysical and speculative, or mystical and experiential, the atheist is stopped dead in his tracks. He cannot proceed because atheists either cannot or will not move out from behind their mother's skirts of materialism. Suggest consciousness (or archaically, spirit) as having ontological priority, and since the 5 senses can discern it, abstracting Thinking and Intuition are undeveloped, the debate ends in their inability (or disability as it were).
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