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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: GrandPoobah]
    #23623459 - 09/07/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Please select the correct person to respond to. This was clearly not directed towards my response.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] * 4
    #23623616 - 09/07/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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fundamentalist notions?  oh really?   


Well if you dont believe in 5 things then you are not a Christian...


-virgin birth
-the diety of Christ (Jesus being he is who he says he is.... God in living flesh).
-the trinity (father, son, holy spirit)
-resurected from death
-his coming again

if you dont believe those 5 things. you're not a Christian.  You're something else.




That is your mainstream, propagandist, fundamentalist contention. I subscribe to an 'exploratory' Christianity prior to carved-in-stone doctrine at the Council of Nicaea. I won't even identify myself as Christian to shallow individuals lest they think that I am a judgmental, concrete-minded individual stuck in immature Piagetian Concrete Operational Thinking. You must have no idea about how, why, and for whom the writings of the canonical Bible were written. In effect, the New Testament was written to create a singular messianic personality, an after-the-fact composite of every messianic prophesy in the Tenach, the suffering servant of Isaiah 53. This material is not journalistic. There was no reporter for the Bethlehem Gazette taking notes on some astronomical anomaly and a glow-in-the-dark babe in a manger. Those old men who selected the books for the canon, and destroyed every other manuscript they could that contradicted their essentially political power agenda. Thank God for the Nag Hammadi discovery which for me relativizes the vicarious sacrifice theology that has dominated Christianity for too long. As Reverend Spong has written (as a book title), Christianity Must Change or Die. +++Amen+++

The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is completely derivative of Plotinus' Neoplatonic categories renamed, but you would have to be just basically aware of this to see that the early Christians had a Duality in the 2nd century and not until after Tertullian used the term and Augustine developed it in the West did the 3rd century see trinitarian doctrine. It took a different form in Eastern Orthodox Christianity that resembles better its Pagan roots in Plotinus. Jesus himself never would have bought any doctrine that compromised the absolute monotheism of YHWH. Kabbalism did exist yet to suggest a Jewish 'Supernal Triangle.'

The virgin birth is based on an error that the author later designated as Matthew made because he was using the Septuigint Tenach written in Greek where there was only one word for young maiden and virgin - parthenos. If Matthew had used the Hebrew original he would've used the actual Hebrew prophesy in Isaiah 7:14 which reads almah (young woman), NOT betulah (virgin). Hebrews never subscribed to a vigin birth, that was pure Hellenistic mythology wherein demigods like Heracles (Hercules in the Roman) were born of God (Zeus: Greek, Deus: Latin) and a mortal woman, sometimes virginal. But of course God in Greek myth raped a lot of mortal women, sometimes in the form of an animal as in the rape of Leda in the form of a swan. A dove was the bird sacred to The Great Mother, often Aphrodite but also Diana as in Diana of Ephesus, whose worshippers Paul addressed in Ephesus. The virgin Miriam (Mary) is depicted as having a dove convey 'the word' through her ear, and thence conceiving. This is Greek myth overlaid on Hebrew midrash.

In the Johannine material, Jesus is completely different from the Synoptic (one-view) gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke. For John the Greek (or Hellenized Jew), Jesus was an incarnation (in-fleshed), 'God clothed in flesh,' whereas for the Synoptic authors, Jesus was 'a man anointed by God.' VERY DIFFERENT and perhaps THE most Hellenistic mythic material about the New Testament.

Resurrection, as illustrated by Lazarus is actually about L'Azar - The Azar - Azar being the Egyptian name for Osiris (a Greek name). Lazarus appears wrapped in funeral cloth in John 11:43. Arms would've been folded across the chest under the wrappings, just as Osiris is usually depicted in Egyptian art. "Lazarus come forth!" commanded the biblical Jesus. Lazarus was resurrected from the dead - in the physical body. Midrash. Mythos. Metaphor. Osiris is the Egyptian deity of resurrection and the Egyptian Book of the Dead is properly entitled: The Book of Coming Forth by Day. "Lazarus, Come Forth!" I could go on, but I've been overly generous here I think.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles]
    #23623803 - 09/07/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is that picture verses from the bible?


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23624324 - 09/07/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

interesting.  I go by what the bible says, since it is the word of God.  I'm not aware of anything else.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] * 4
    #23625664 - 09/08/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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interesting.  I go by what the bible says, since it is the word of God.  I'm not aware of anything else.




"What the Bible says" needs to be interpreted by the human mind. Your mind desperately need reinterpretation. Being fearful of expanding your understanding is refusal to learn. One does not sacrifice one's intellect in order to have faith instead, that is abject ignorance, not faith. Any faith that cannot endure knowledge is not even faith, it is less than useful, it is harmful.

I'm not aware of anything else. <- This is not something to live by. :eek: It suggests that neither are you "in Christ" to use the biblical description. Being "in Christ" means being in the Logos of which the man Iesous is ostensibly the manifestation. Theologically, the Logos is the first manifestation of the Unmanifested Godhead which contains the Eternal Ideas, the Archetypes. "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made" - John 1:3. This is what "only begotten son" means when the Logos is personified in the mythic language of a human relationship. Being in Christ means being aware of one's identity with the Logos, and hence being aware of Eternal Presence (or the Eternal Present, less personally expressed). Parroting of a book is just simple bibliolatry, not faith, not "being in Christ." But don't believe me, go learn for yourself. Time to dump your childhood level of understanding and be fed with spiritual meat instead of milk.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3] * 1
    #23627014 - 09/08/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There's no need to label ourselves. Our path is life or our path is death, it doesn't matter whether we find the path of life through religion or without, but it does matter whether or not we accept God. Christians are turning away and its creating changes in Christ consciousness. Our thoughts affect the electromagnetic field of earth which all consciousness is connected to, so we all can know each others thoughts no matter how far away we are and we feel the energy from it. If we're unfulfilled then we haven't seen God, and if we haven't seen God then we haven't feared god, and if we haven't feared god then we haven't left our sins, and or we haven't left our sins, then we stand in the territory of the devil.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3] * 1
    #23628022 - 09/09/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You should congratulate yourself and feel happy. All Abrahamic beliefs are cancers; you are undergoing a process of psychological healing.

Know that you are envied by the weak.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: viktor]
    #23628035 - 09/09/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I find myself constantly feeling like I've lost something of great value but at the same time i can't bring myself to honestly and whole heartedly believe in the religion anymore

I honestly miss the solace it provided even if it was unfounded


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23628211 - 09/09/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mushrooms definitely bring you closer to God. God is a frequency, a dimension, where all this is God playing a game within Itself.

Nature is divine. Pristine, infinitely complex, perfect, profound. If a mushroom takes you to God when you eat it, don't bag it man.

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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23628937 - 09/09/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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sprinkles said:
fundamentalist notions?  oh really?   


Well if you dont believe in 5 things then you are not a Christian...


-virgin birth
-the diety of Christ (Jesus being he is who he says he is.... God in living flesh).
-the trinity (father, son, holy spirit)
-resurected from death
-his coming again

if you dont believe those 5 things. you're not a Christian.  You're something else.



that isn't what makes you a true christian. Christianity is a relationship between you and christ. the demons know of all the things and believe in all the things stated above. they will never find themselves in heaven.

As a Christian myself I was baptised as a Roman catholic. then baptised again once I accepted Jesus in my life in a Baptist church.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=KJV
he states to not have any other gods before him. not to don't learn of these other beings.

learning other religions has its benefits whether you are Jewish learning Christianity to Christianity learning wican.
The problem of most Christians is that they are RELIGIOUS. stating the fact that their religion is by all means the only right way so there is no point in studying others.
by doing this they become ignorant and just listen to main stream ideology derived from media, their church, whomever.
example all Muslims are terrorists...false... Christianity and Islam are polar opposite. false.... actually Judaism,Islam, and Christianity are the same with their own little twist. they all follow the same principle of the alpha and omega the Father God who brought us into existence but have differing messiah.
one of the bases of wican and satanism is to do good onto others. am I saying worship the devil. no.. if that's your thing do you.
by making claims as being a Christian you must learn to love others as they. I mean after all isn't christ who walked with the whores and eat with the thieves?


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I find myself constantly feeling like I've lost something of great value but at the same time i can't bring myself to honestly and whole heartedly believe in the religion anymore

I honestly miss the solace it provided even if it was unfounded



don't be dishearted. learn from the journey. it's a spiritual walk with Christ for a reason. we all don't walk in a straight line for all of our lives... the good news is even if you stumble or veer off course christ will always be there even if you have doubted everything.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3] * 2
    #23629712 - 09/09/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the time comes when its appropriate to shed specific mistruths and partial truths from one's being in order to more fully realize and radiate one's inner truth and being :smile: it can be distressing to the human self to lose long associated beliefs, but after they pass and new awareness emerges to take it's place, i think you will be much happier :smile: when one door closes, another opens... and doors keep getting better and more expansive as we unfold more :smile:

wishing you all the best zombi3 :smile: much love :heart:


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3] * 1
    #23630331 - 09/09/16 07:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i Always felt closer to The Devine when I was frying on shrooms n shit




We don't have to consider "The Divine" a deity or a type of spirit.

Psychedelics can catalyze a loss of sense of self. Death-of-self, just as Christ taught.

Death-of-self shatters the ego driven illusion we are all separate isolated creatures.

Not all drugs do that. For me, when I drink, get stoned, or do meth or coke, or opiates, I am the center of the universe.

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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23631193 - 09/10/16 12:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I find myself constantly feeling like I've lost something of great value but at the same time i can't bring myself to honestly and whole heartedly believe in the religion anymore





That empty feeling is normal, that's just your conditioned mind starting to let go.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23631228 - 09/10/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I find myself constantly feeling like I've lost something of great value but at the same time i can't bring myself to honestly and whole heartedly believe in the religion anymore

I honestly miss the solace it provided even if it was unfounded




What specifically, do you feel like you have lost?

Is t it possible to identify those things and cherry pick what you found of value, practice those principles, yet not be dedicated to any religion?

When people talk of Christ and atonement etc and hold them close to themselves, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are Christian or followers of any religion.

I can't follow Christianity fully and have no interest in perusing The Bible beyond the odd reference, for the fact they I know it's the works of man, who scribes the essence of God, but is vastly polluted with sin (wrong mindedness, not of God) at the same time.

On another note, a church is just a building which is the iconic, physical representation of the true, non-local 'church' which is the mind of man.  You need only visit yourself.

The truth, every peice of information and every skill is yours already when you repent (surrender ego) so you don't have to commit to any doctrines.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
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    #23631363 - 09/10/16 04:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Whatever I am when I die is exactly what I was before I was born. Nothin wrong with that.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3]
    #23631474 - 09/10/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Zombi3 - I enjoyed this article about how spiritual teachings can expire and thought it was quite good and fitting for this thread :smile: http://moonbirdblog.com/can-spiritual-teachings-expire/


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23632463 - 09/10/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I was a devout atheist before...now :shrug:



Likewise. I was brought up in an atheist household. For as long as I can remember I have bitterly hated the word 'god' because of its association with organised religion.

However having now found, and come into contact with, what I believe is god/the source/etc, and feeling that whilst it is undoubtedly there, although inherently not understandable to us in our present form, I realise that it is actually organised religion that I hate.

I love 'god', more than anything I have ever known.



this is exactly how I feel


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    #23632970 - 09/10/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I was a devout atheist before...now :shrug:



Likewise. I was brought up in an atheist household. For as long as I can remember I have bitterly hated the word 'god' because of its association with organised religion.

However having now found, and come into contact with, what I believe is god/the source/etc, and feeling that whilst it is undoubtedly there, although inherently not understandable to us in our present form, I realise that it is actually organised religion that I hate.

I love 'god', more than anything I have ever known.



this is exactly how I feel



that's how christ wants it. religion has always been corrupt and easy to judge others.
Christ says I love you for who you are I know you've made mistakes it's ok I forgive you don't do it again.


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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: DocShamen]
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I was a devout atheist before...now :shrug:



Likewise. I was brought up in an atheist household. For as long as I can remember I have bitterly hated the word 'god' because of its association with organised religion.

However having now found, and come into contact with, what I believe is god/the source/etc, and feeling that whilst it is undoubtedly there, although inherently not understandable to us in our present form, I realise that it is actually organised religion that I hate.

I love 'god', more than anything I have ever known.



this is exactly how I feel



that's how christ wants it. religion has always been corrupt and easy to judge others.
Christ says I love you for who you are I know you've made mistakes it's ok I forgive you don't do it again.



Ya the central principle of Christianity isn't that messed up at all. Pretty positive and loving


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