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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3] 3
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Zombi3 said: I've been Christian my whole life and was always pretty happy about it. Lately though I've been really thinking about it and after a few deep psilocybin trips and a crazy LSD trip recently I've really started to question myself... I'm definitely still deeply spiritual and always will be, but yea I don't really think I would label myself a Christian anymore. Anybody in the same boat?
No, I'm in a different boat. I struggled to become a Christian from a secular-reformed Jewish upbringing. I learned biblical myths from Jewish Sunday school and New Testament myths from my Catholic BFF at age 6. I began to doodle crucifixes in the 12th grade and had a dream of offering Jesus some morphine while he was crucified in my freshman dorm's stairwell. An unconscious archetype, the central archetype of the Western psyche was emerging. I took lots of acid during 3 of my 4 years of college, changed my major from pre-med to philosophy (you can imagine how distraught my parents must have been). After college I got baptized in my BFF's Roman Catholic church, seriously considered becoming a monk (I met with a Franciscan, Benedictine and Cistercian [Trappist] monks), until one day I woke up and realized that all the monks I had met were gay and I wasn't! They had no problem living w/o women). Instead, I completed a Masters degree in theological studies at a reputable United Methodist seminary before going off to grad school for a Ph.D. in Human Development & Clinical psych. I learned a great deal then and I have resumed my studies in theology. I had a terrific tutorial on Plotinus and Pseudo-Dionysus in college with a noted theologian, I learned Yoga, but also the Hesychastic techniques of Prayer of the Heart which served as a cultural-spiritual bridge from India to Greece, East to West.
I went through many phases of Christian, even burning my occult library (regrettably but I replaced much more eventually) with Wizard® Barbecue Fluid. I was never a complete literalist. One of my professors even suggested that as a Jew, I could think of myself as an ancient Ebionite, which was a sect of Jewish Christians who held non-orthodox beliefs about the nature of Jesus (i.e., that his nature was not "fully man, fully God." I deferred to the mainstream 'belief' at the time. I struggled with celibacy since my philosophy studies, beat myself up emotionally when I gave in to temptations, and tried to live like a monk in my parents' house after college and during seminary. At grad school I was just plain poor so living like a monk was necessary, although I did have sex and felt that God had punished me when I caught Herpes II (it was really my own damn fault not using a condom. The girl knew she had Herpes and didn't tell me).
Jump 38 years to the present. I've read and recommend one of more than a dozen books by Rev. John Shelby Spong (whom I've met thrice): Liberating the Gospels will demythologize the Bible. It allowed me to reconcile faith as a mode of knowing with reason. I also recommend after that deconstruction, Christ in Egypt by D.M. Murdock, who extensively documents many of the New Testament stories as being directly appropriated from the ancient Egyptian Coffin and Pyramid texts. These two books served as a double punch to my faith which was in suspension as it were. There are forms of Christianity which are Panentheistic rather than strictly theistic. Theism often reeks of pure mythology, but in any event, your major concern IMHO is to reframe your understanding of Christian scriptures in a mythicist and even an astrotheological context (Murdock explains this shift in interpretation), and leave any literal, fundamentalist notions far behind. Supplement with Christian Apocrypha and the Nag Hammadi (Gnostic) scriptures. Bottom line: Don't throw baby Jesus out with the bathwater.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: GrandPoobah]
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Please select the correct person to respond to. This was clearly not directed towards my response.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] 4
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sprinkles said: fundamentalist notions? oh really?
Well if you dont believe in 5 things then you are not a Christian...
-virgin birth -the diety of Christ (Jesus being he is who he says he is.... God in living flesh). -the trinity (father, son, holy spirit) -resurected from death -his coming again
if you dont believe those 5 things. you're not a Christian. You're something else.
That is your mainstream, propagandist, fundamentalist contention. I subscribe to an 'exploratory' Christianity prior to carved-in-stone doctrine at the Council of Nicaea. I won't even identify myself as Christian to shallow individuals lest they think that I am a judgmental, concrete-minded individual stuck in immature Piagetian Concrete Operational Thinking. You must have no idea about how, why, and for whom the writings of the canonical Bible were written. In effect, the New Testament was written to create a singular messianic personality, an after-the-fact composite of every messianic prophesy in the Tenach, the suffering servant of Isaiah 53. This material is not journalistic. There was no reporter for the Bethlehem Gazette taking notes on some astronomical anomaly and a glow-in-the-dark babe in a manger. Those old men who selected the books for the canon, and destroyed every other manuscript they could that contradicted their essentially political power agenda. Thank God for the Nag Hammadi discovery which for me relativizes the vicarious sacrifice theology that has dominated Christianity for too long. As Reverend Spong has written (as a book title), Christianity Must Change or Die. +++Amen+++
The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is completely derivative of Plotinus' Neoplatonic categories renamed, but you would have to be just basically aware of this to see that the early Christians had a Duality in the 2nd century and not until after Tertullian used the term and Augustine developed it in the West did the 3rd century see trinitarian doctrine. It took a different form in Eastern Orthodox Christianity that resembles better its Pagan roots in Plotinus. Jesus himself never would have bought any doctrine that compromised the absolute monotheism of YHWH. Kabbalism did exist yet to suggest a Jewish 'Supernal Triangle.'
The virgin birth is based on an error that the author later designated as Matthew made because he was using the Septuigint Tenach written in Greek where there was only one word for young maiden and virgin - parthenos. If Matthew had used the Hebrew original he would've used the actual Hebrew prophesy in Isaiah 7:14 which reads almah (young woman), NOT betulah (virgin). Hebrews never subscribed to a vigin birth, that was pure Hellenistic mythology wherein demigods like Heracles (Hercules in the Roman) were born of God (Zeus: Greek, Deus: Latin) and a mortal woman, sometimes virginal. But of course God in Greek myth raped a lot of mortal women, sometimes in the form of an animal as in the rape of Leda in the form of a swan. A dove was the bird sacred to The Great Mother, often Aphrodite but also Diana as in Diana of Ephesus, whose worshippers Paul addressed in Ephesus. The virgin Miriam (Mary) is depicted as having a dove convey 'the word' through her ear, and thence conceiving. This is Greek myth overlaid on Hebrew midrash.
In the Johannine material, Jesus is completely different from the Synoptic (one-view) gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke. For John the Greek (or Hellenized Jew), Jesus was an incarnation (in-fleshed), 'God clothed in flesh,' whereas for the Synoptic authors, Jesus was 'a man anointed by God.' VERY DIFFERENT and perhaps THE most Hellenistic mythic material about the New Testament.
Resurrection, as illustrated by Lazarus is actually about L'Azar - The Azar - Azar being the Egyptian name for Osiris (a Greek name). Lazarus appears wrapped in funeral cloth in John 11:43. Arms would've been folded across the chest under the wrappings, just as Osiris is usually depicted in Egyptian art. "Lazarus come forth!" commanded the biblical Jesus. Lazarus was resurrected from the dead - in the physical body. Midrash. Mythos. Metaphor. Osiris is the Egyptian deity of resurrection and the Egyptian Book of the Dead is properly entitled: The Book of Coming Forth by Day. "Lazarus, Come Forth!" I could go on, but I've been overly generous here I think.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] 4
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sprinkles said: interesting. I go by what the bible says, since it is the word of God. I'm not aware of anything else.
"What the Bible says" needs to be interpreted by the human mind. Your mind desperately need reinterpretation. Being fearful of expanding your understanding is refusal to learn. One does not sacrifice one's intellect in order to have faith instead, that is abject ignorance, not faith. Any faith that cannot endure knowledge is not even faith, it is less than useful, it is harmful.
I'm not aware of anything else. <- This is not something to live by. It suggests that neither are you "in Christ" to use the biblical description. Being "in Christ" means being in the Logos of which the man Iesous is ostensibly the manifestation. Theologically, the Logos is the first manifestation of the Unmanifested Godhead which contains the Eternal Ideas, the Archetypes. "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made" - John 1:3. This is what "only begotten son" means when the Logos is personified in the mythic language of a human relationship. Being in Christ means being aware of one's identity with the Logos, and hence being aware of Eternal Presence (or the Eternal Present, less personally expressed). Parroting of a book is just simple bibliolatry, not faith, not "being in Christ." But don't believe me, go learn for yourself. Time to dump your childhood level of understanding and be fed with spiritual meat instead of milk.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] 3
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sprinkles said: drugs seperate your connection to the divine. that is why muslims and other religions do not drink. Or use.
Anyway I think that once you've accepted Jesus as Gods gift and payment for your sin debt you're gonna be alright. Everyone questions things, it's human. Just like every human being has thought about suicide at some point, it's normal. If you were to stop using drugs I know you would re-establish your eternal connection with God and Christ. It is the correct way, and there is nothing that is more important in this life.
The word "drug" is pejorative. Sacred Substances are considered to be medicines among those who utilize their assistance in sacramental fashion. Drugs in your biblical meaning are the Greek word pharmakeia, but this word refers to sorcery, low magick, thaumaturgy, which was inseparable from the substances that sorcery relied upon. For the most part, the plants utilized by sorcery create narcosis, delirium, or hallucinations such as those in the Solanaceae family, the Nightshades, Atropa belladona, Mandragora, Datura stramonium. The alkaloids in these plants are referred to as "nightmare alkaloids" and create true hallucinations, not the beautiful pseudo-visions of indole entheogens (which, incidentally means God-generated-within).
So, whereas certain substances do create a veritable Hell populated by montrosities, deformities, and abject horror, other substances deemed sacred by those of us with spiritual formation, both within and without a Christian idiom, can bring one to various degrees of communion if not union with divinity. The Initiation of Entheogenic Experience was an institution at Eleusis in Greece for over a millennia until fascists in the form of so-called Christians suppressed the practice. But from time to time throughout history, the truth of this Initiation has arisen in Christianity, fro ancient times to medieval times (see the mystic Jacob Boehme's art below from 400 years ago which illustrates the Christian trinity along mycological lines). The Christian Native American Church uses Peyote as a Christian sacrament with its own Christian mythology attached, the "Little Ones" or Psilocybe mexicana mushroom has been used in a context of healing rather than as a sacrament in a Christian context, the Santo Daime Church utilizes Ayahuasca in a syncretistic idiom, which like the Native American Church varies in its Christian content.
So, your ignorance of mysticism and high magick AKA theurgy/transcendental magick (of which Catholic Transubstantiation is a form), is revealed by your erroneous first statement. "Drugs" in the non-pejorative sense of medicines, not of lowly sorceries, DO INDEED facilitate connection with the divine. This has been demonstrated in those of us who over a period of several decades of life have had our entire point and purpose of life reoriented by the employment of Sacred Substances. Personal ethics have expanded to more and more universal proportion, including all people (and their faiths) and not only that but to animal rights as well. Beyond that, universal ethics need expand to the very planet Earth which is our very Mother, which sounds very 'native,' and is morally superior to the political-Christian corruption of the word dominion to mean domination, and thence exploitation, like the character of a despicable 'pastor' of a mega-church who lives in obscene opulence. IMO your preaching is biased to a particular mentality that embodies a mere husk of living Christianity, an artifact of a lived experience that so desperately clings to an old agenda that it uses falsehoods (i.e., that "drugs" separate one from divinity) to control others as orthodox Christianity has perpetrated for too long.
Learn something new about something rather old. That would include the use of Entheogens, but also you might learn that the vicarious sacrifice theology of mainstream Christianity is not the ONLY theology, and the one that you're pushing is not readily assimilable as we leave the Picean Age (The Fish, the original astrotheological symbol of the Christian era) and move into the Age of Aquarius. The Age of Aries (the Ram) characterized the patriarchal Abrahamic faith, Jesus characterizes the Picean Age, and you need to realize that humanity is entering a new manifestation of the Logos. A mythic 1st century Judean itinerant preacher is a vehicle, but the Truth requires Realization - being made Real in the individual. This is the biblical age of the Holy Spirit to be Realized within one's being, not put on a pedestal and worshipped without any Real change to one's corrupt "natural man." Look at the world. Look at history. Wake Up.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Razare] 2
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The historical Iesous, if he existed at all other than as a literary creation, was certainly mythologized in the gospels. Assuming there was one particular Isa/Y'shua from Nazareth, the man died two millennia ago, so whatever 'friend you have in Jesus' is a metaphorical one at best, seeing as how an Aramaic-speaking Judean peasant rabbi is not presently available to you. What you can claim without anyone knowing any differently is that you may have a relationship with the Logos, the Eternal Presence (or Present, for the transpersonalist).
Whether you realize or not, or acknowledge it or not, you are still practicing Bhakti Yoga, which you may have first learned through phenomenologically similar devotions with Lord Krishna. Among Krishna's devotees, the Bhagavad Gita teaches the "Divine Personality of the Godhead," and that such a personal relationship is superior to the 'impersonalist yogi' who in solitude meditates on "the plenary expansion of Vishnu in the Lotus of the Heart." One simply redirects from the "Lotus of the Heart" idiom to the 'Sacred Heart" (if one goes Catholic), or to the less picturesque references to "the spiritual man" or "the inner man" in Protestantism or Eastern Orthodox Christianity.
So the bottom line is that the changes you have made are not essentially different. The divine names have changed, as have the corresponding scriptures, but the transcendental faculty at bottom remains the same in your psyche, as does your need for devotion to a personal God. I am not criticizing you for your devotions, but I am pointing out that since you are not dealing with things that are in form, it really doesn't matter that the object of your devotion is imagined to be a 1st century brown-skinned Judean or a blue-skinned god in Brahmanical Indian garb. Neither exists in space-time as form, both admit of personal and impersonal/transpersonal aspects, both assume peace-making as well as warrior stances in their respective scriptures, and both 'avatars' speak to a personal relationship forthe sake of salvation.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Peyote Road]
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sprinkles said: -virgin birth -the diety of Christ (Jesus being he is who he says he is.... God in living flesh). -the trinity (father, son, holy spirit) -resurected from death -his coming again
Not all denominations believe in all of those things. Specifically the trinity and the divinity of Christ, and especially the idea that Christ is God.
Denominations vary quite heavily on what percent divine Christ was. Some say 100%, some say 50%, some say 0%.
Likewise, the idea that Christ is God is very contentious. Tons and tons of denominations believe that Christ is God's son and as such is a completely separate entity from God. Other denominations believe that Christ IS God.
The trinity is mainly from Catholicism and some closely related "catholic-lite" denominations.
Right, I am always skeptical of people who say you're not a Christian if you don't believe X because what qualifies them to define what a Christian is? Christianity has over the centuries seen an incredible wide range of varying ideas and beliefs about God and Christ.
The usual formulation, and even the title of a theological classic by D.M. Baillie is God Was In Christ. Christ has the same etymology as chrism, oil. Christ means anointed, as in the ritual anointing with oil either in the Divine Right of Kings, or in Last Rites (the Sacrament of Extreme Unction before death in Catholicism), "...thou anointest my head with oil..." - Psalm 23. The Arian 'heresy' comes down to the present in the theology of the Jehova's Witnesses. In Arianism, Jesus Christ is not co-eternal with God but was created and is therefore ontologically subordinate to God who/which is Uncreated. In the Synoptic gospels, the Son of God, is 'a man anointed by God' NOT 'God clothed with flesh' as John's gospel teaches. The Johannine view has colored the Synoptic view so that many Christians don't even know the two perspectives but tend to take the Johannine view exclusively.
"Being in Christ" is a matter of Christ mysticism, which as Albert Schweitzer pointed out in The Mysticism of Paul the Apostle is different from God mysticism, which he says is not the New Testament teaches. As to the percentages that were debated in early Christianity, the orthodox position describes Christ as "fully God, fully man," but the unity of natures remains a mystery, not confounded as in the heresy of Adoptionism (a form of Monarchianism) which states that Jesus Christ was adopted by God, but did not partake of God's nature.
The Trinity was developed differently in the Catholic West and the Orthodox East (the schism between the two churches basically happened over The Filioque - whether there is a triangular relationship between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or a linear emanation of Father -> Son -> Holy Spirit. A majority of Christians adhere to trinitarian doctrine of one kind or another. There is an interesting book about a strictly non-trinitarian monotheistic deity by Buzzard & Hunting called The Doctrine of the Trinity: Christianity's Self-Inflicted Wound. My late father-in-law, a Nigerian Muslim and a Ph.D. electrical engineer and CEO of the Siemens Corp. (a bright and very well-heeled man) lived to the last year of his life thinking that Christianity was a polytheistic religion, not monotheism, until I sent him explanations of the Holy Trinity from John McQuarrie's Principles of Christian Theology. Tertullian was the theologian who coined the term 'Trinity,' and he was excommunicated after becoming a Montanist, another sect of early Christianity that was judged heretical. Some theologians e.g., Pseudo-Dionysus, taught the absolute Oneness of the "Superessential Godhead" that transcended the Triune God. There is a lot of history about these metaphysical concepts but none of them apparently effect the practical aspects of human spirituality one way or another.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma] 1
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People are lazy and want to be told what to do. They want equally to be spoon-fed like children, only people are also boors without any taste or common sense so they swallow everything that is being fed to them. Look at the number of senseless, ignorant Trump supporters who are not alarmed at his HUGE ignorance about so many important matters (because they're also ignorant) especially his ignorance about nuclear weapons! 'We've got 'em why are they making them? Why not use them?' HELLO!!! How many people actually believe that a greedy psychopath actually regards the Bible as his favorite book? I have no idea, who believes that but it's one of his obvious lies. I don't know what happened to simple common sense, but I digress.
People cannot discern a truly malevolent, power-mad psychopath as being so evil and ignorant as not to vehemently eschew any thought of nuclear weaponry being used offensively, so how can they be expected to study subtle ideas that if taken seriously will also change one's inner and outer life? Like Nero playing his lyre as Rome burned, Trump would be playing with himself in the Cheyenne Mountain Facility with his family as the world burned. How do people who purportedly read the Bible not know anything about the tyrants who were in power throughout the early centuries of Christianity, and not see history repeating itself? Christianity developed within certain historical, cultural, and philosophical milieus. The essential moral teachings are still relevant even if many of the cultural aspects (e.g., regarding slaves, women, homosexuality and beating you children) belong in the dust-bins of history.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut]
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All American presidents are not cold mass murderers. I'm not even going to engage you on politics after seeing this. YES, there WERE sanctions against Blacks and later Native Americans. No question. But Roosevelt and Truman were not the same kind of beings as Hitler, Hirohito, Mussolini, or Stalin. Grow up. The leader of the free world has to make hard decisions that you or I would not be capable of.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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People who make uncritical declarations about God are still stuck in a separatist mythic level of theism. They often imagine God according to the mythic language of the Bible which frequently likens God to a king on a throne, who is quite Zeus-like according to the same imagery that Greek and Roman myths partake of, in a Hebrew idiom instead. From a more mature and theological level, the English word God has to be approached with great subtlety of thought wherein the idea of God's immanence is admitted instead of just some utterly transcendent 'Other.' The mythic Christian only conceives of God as Theistic, when Panentheistic is a concept that suggests God operating through human beinghood, while not being identical with us humans (which is Pantheism). Atheists are like fish denying the existence of water.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut] 1
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Your psychotic thinking is excusable, your bigotry and antisemitic language is NOT excusable. You don't know any Jews, you have no Jewish friends and you have nothing but that typical tired paranoia born of deep insecurity. My recommendation with regard to espousing antisemitism here is simply STFU before you get a completely warranted ban. This is not one of those other forums which allows psychopathology free reign.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: akira_akuma]
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I attempt to be corrective without being reactive. I don't blame people for rejecting anachronistic declarations of 'belief' from so-called Christians who are espousing mythic ideas as actual history. Neither do many people realize that many so-called Christians have not, like 50% of the American population, Formal Operational Thinking in place. Many many so-called Christians have Concrete Operational Thinking, and such people are very concrete in their thinking, hence the name. Speaking of God can at best be metaphorical, not factual. When the Bible uses expressions, like king, wonderful counselor, prince of peace, etc. these appellations are metaphors taken from human roles. Nobody can proclaim that God has desires let alone say what those desires are. Considering the Bible as "the word of God" is a poor attempt to draw ultimate authority from a collection of writings that were selected out of hundreds of other writings to meet the criteria of specific religious and political agendas. These sayings pertain to human God-concepts or to men who allegedly served as mouthpieces for the Deity (the prophets). Notice how many of the most outspoken self-righteous proclaimers of these ethics turn out to be profoundly hypocritical, with wealthy televangelists being the most corrupt amongst them.
The churches no longer oppress the multitudes under a theocracy, so the usual virulent attacks upon Christianity come from those people who have been victims of severe emotional abuse in religious guise when they were children. I heard many stories about the humiliations of Catholic friends at the hands of pathological nuns, decades before I became aware of priestly pedophilia. The Protestant minister who lived next door when I was growing up had a male 'organist' who we pegged as a pedophile. But I again digress. Christian ethics have improved since biblical times towards ownership of slaves and the treatment of women and children, but of course many still cling to condemnation of homosexuals even though there was no word in Greek for homosexual and it was King James (possibly a self-loathing homosexual) who inserted that condemnation in his 1611 English translation of the Greek manuscripts. So, Christian ethics needs to continue to improve in its acceptance, forgiveness, and compassion (agapé).
Atheists can be ethical based on rational Utilitarianism - I've known some. But as soon as one sets the game plan to equate the notation God = Ultimate Reality, and the discussion becomes metaphysical and speculative, or mystical and experiential, the atheist is stopped dead in his tracks. He cannot proceed because atheists either cannot or will not move out from behind their mother's skirts of materialism. Suggest consciousness (or archaically, spirit) as having ontological priority, and since the 5 senses can discern it, abstracting Thinking and Intuition are undeveloped, the debate ends in their inability (or disability as it were).
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: usulpsychonaut] 1
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I recommend the therapy my mother used to suggest: "Go bang your head against a wall," to which I'll add, "until you knock yourself out and STFU about hate." That's about as compassionate as I can muster for a bigot, psychotic or not. The compassion is directed at the rest of us so we don't have to see shit on the forum. Try conforming to standards of decency. Your paranoid political positions are irrelevant.
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Seriously? There is no white race, there is only one human race with superficial variations. Very pale and very dark people are extremes and differences do not go far beyond topical differences and genetic differences in the preponderance of genetic diseases due to a lack of diversity in the gene pool.
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howsyournaggerdoin said: The holocaust is very well documented (the nazis were germans afterall) and denying it just makes you look stupid.
Also this whole discussion is off topic
Not just look stupid, it actually proves any promulgator is stupid, but much worse than that. Satan is called "the father of lies" and anyone who denies the Holocaust has an evil agenda. This is a manner of hate and it attracts psychotics with acute paranoid features. I've known several Holocaust survivors. The last one I met had a big portfolio book from when she was invited to the Nuremberg Trials. She had the experience of having been whipped by Dr. Josef Mengale with his riding crop because she was jumping from train car to car to demonstrate her spryness. My parents' dry cleaner Max had numbers on his arm when I was growing up. I tried to help a speaker at a middle school who had a panic attack on stage while attempting to educate kids about the Holocaust. Holocaust deniers have the bizarre notion that if the Holocaust can be falsely debunked, and thence forgotten, it an then occur again! Fucking sickos all, and unfortunately other weak-minded and otherwise mentally deficient humanoids who are so miserable they jump on this miserable bandwagon just to belong with other losers in a folie à plusieurs ("madness of many").
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: viktor] 1
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MarkostheGnostic said: Seriously? There is no white race
That isn't something for a Jew to decide. If white people want to feel solidarity on the basis of our shared ethnicity that's got nothing to do with you at all.
WHAT "shared ethnicity?" What does that even mean? Northern European? That too is diverse. Ideology? Territoriality? Blue eyes vs. brown eyes? There is no Jewish race either. That's Nazi ideology, and a lie. I am of eastern European descent, Roumanian and probably German, light skinned, blonde and blue-eyed in appearance (though hair darkened with age). I have no Semitic heritage or genetics, but somewhere sometime someone converted to some form of Judaism. Keep your racist accusatory personalisms to yourself and mind whatever manners you can still feign viktor.
You do not belong on this forum with your foul bigotry. White is a meaningless term except for white supremacists, who are exactly the opposite of anything supreme except supreme ignorance and hate! The planet is moving from the extremes of Icelandic white and Aboriginal black to a universal tan, probably a good thing, the homogenization of the appearance of the Human race. Maybe you just have a blonde/blue-eyes or pale skin fetish.
Psychologically, feelings of superiority is obviously and transparently over-compensation for profound feelings of inferiority. Spiritual life is characterized by humility not hubris in every tradition and for equally obvious reasons (except to the hateful and spiritually bereft). Ego-inflation always results in a profound deflation, whether in an individual or a nation (like Nazi-Germany). The Myth of Icarus illustrated this centuries ago. Racists are epitomized by the half-toothless Klansman with a 4th grade education calling a Harvard-educated, one-time head of the Harvard Law Review, and Constitutional scholar a N****r! It's a damn good thing that "der führer" blew his twisted brains out before those German Jewish physicists Einstein and Oppenheimer could nuke all those hate-possessed German white beer-brewers and butchers back to the middle ages!
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: viktor]
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Nasty, nasty viktor. "Stick and stones..." Name-calling is not any endorsement for ANY credibility on your part. You are projecting all manner of things onto someone you know nothing about, like my "beloved Abraham," "aryan ignorance" (I never wrote that, although in your case it may apply) and some archaic cultic prohibitions. Racist? I've got Germans and Nigerians in my family. Take your best shot. In Nigeria I often heard the expression, "Your head is not correct," and indeed that absolutely applies to you in this projection you have in your head, 'cause it doesn't apply to me. Parasite? Hmmm. No again. I'm more characterized by symbiotic relationships by those who actually know me. Fraud? Wrong again. You're batting zero vik. I do not deceive others or misinterpret myself. Morality? I'm confident that my moral development surpasses whatever puerile level you're stuck at. Your failed attempt to insult me speaks for itself morally in terms of vindictive verbal invectives. You should cease and desist while you only appear as a ranting adolescent instead of something less forgivable. Obviously I couldn't care less who you feel solidarity with. In fact, I think you might be Jewish yourself. Your words remind me of that Jewish Neo-Nazi Daniel Burroughs in the 60s - a self-loathing Jew who killed himself when he was outed by a journalist. Maybe you even belong to an Ultra-Orthodox Chabad or something. Yeah, that's the ticket.
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