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sprinkles said: fundamentalist notions? oh really?
Well if you dont believe in 5 things then you are not a Christian...
-virgin birth -the diety of Christ (Jesus being he is who he says he is.... God in living flesh). -the trinity (father, son, holy spirit) -resurected from death -his coming again
if you dont believe those 5 things. you're not a Christian. You're something else.
That is your mainstream, propagandist, fundamentalist contention. I subscribe to an 'exploratory' Christianity prior to carved-in-stone doctrine at the Council of Nicaea. I won't even identify myself as Christian to shallow individuals lest they think that I am a judgmental, concrete-minded individual stuck in immature Piagetian Concrete Operational Thinking. You must have no idea about how, why, and for whom the writings of the canonical Bible were written. In effect, the New Testament was written to create a singular messianic personality, an after-the-fact composite of every messianic prophesy in the Tenach, the suffering servant of Isaiah 53. This material is not journalistic. There was no reporter for the Bethlehem Gazette taking notes on some astronomical anomaly and a glow-in-the-dark babe in a manger. Those old men who selected the books for the canon, and destroyed every other manuscript they could that contradicted their essentially political power agenda. Thank God for the Nag Hammadi discovery which for me relativizes the vicarious sacrifice theology that has dominated Christianity for too long. As Reverend Spong has written (as a book title), Christianity Must Change or Die. +++Amen+++
The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is completely derivative of Plotinus' Neoplatonic categories renamed, but you would have to be just basically aware of this to see that the early Christians had a Duality in the 2nd century and not until after Tertullian used the term and Augustine developed it in the West did the 3rd century see trinitarian doctrine. It took a different form in Eastern Orthodox Christianity that resembles better its Pagan roots in Plotinus. Jesus himself never would have bought any doctrine that compromised the absolute monotheism of YHWH. Kabbalism did exist yet to suggest a Jewish 'Supernal Triangle.'
The virgin birth is based on an error that the author later designated as Matthew made because he was using the Septuigint Tenach written in Greek where there was only one word for young maiden and virgin - parthenos. If Matthew had used the Hebrew original he would've used the actual Hebrew prophesy in Isaiah 7:14 which reads almah (young woman), NOT betulah (virgin). Hebrews never subscribed to a vigin birth, that was pure Hellenistic mythology wherein demigods like Heracles (Hercules in the Roman) were born of God (Zeus: Greek, Deus: Latin) and a mortal woman, sometimes virginal. But of course God in Greek myth raped a lot of mortal women, sometimes in the form of an animal as in the rape of Leda in the form of a swan. A dove was the bird sacred to The Great Mother, often Aphrodite but also Diana as in Diana of Ephesus, whose worshippers Paul addressed in Ephesus. The virgin Miriam (Mary) is depicted as having a dove convey 'the word' through her ear, and thence conceiving. This is Greek myth overlaid on Hebrew midrash.
In the Johannine material, Jesus is completely different from the Synoptic (one-view) gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke. For John the Greek (or Hellenized Jew), Jesus was an incarnation (in-fleshed), 'God clothed in flesh,' whereas for the Synoptic authors, Jesus was 'a man anointed by God.' VERY DIFFERENT and perhaps THE most Hellenistic mythic material about the New Testament.
Resurrection, as illustrated by Lazarus is actually about L'Azar - The Azar - Azar being the Egyptian name for Osiris (a Greek name). Lazarus appears wrapped in funeral cloth in John 11:43. Arms would've been folded across the chest under the wrappings, just as Osiris is usually depicted in Egyptian art. "Lazarus come forth!" commanded the biblical Jesus. Lazarus was resurrected from the dead - in the physical body. Midrash. Mythos. Metaphor. Osiris is the Egyptian deity of resurrection and the Egyptian Book of the Dead is properly entitled: The Book of Coming Forth by Day. "Lazarus, Come Forth!" I could go on, but I've been overly generous here I think.
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] 4
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sprinkles said: interesting. I go by what the bible says, since it is the word of God. I'm not aware of anything else.
"What the Bible says" needs to be interpreted by the human mind. Your mind desperately need reinterpretation. Being fearful of expanding your understanding is refusal to learn. One does not sacrifice one's intellect in order to have faith instead, that is abject ignorance, not faith. Any faith that cannot endure knowledge is not even faith, it is less than useful, it is harmful.
I'm not aware of anything else. <- This is not something to live by. It suggests that neither are you "in Christ" to use the biblical description. Being "in Christ" means being in the Logos of which the man Iesous is ostensibly the manifestation. Theologically, the Logos is the first manifestation of the Unmanifested Godhead which contains the Eternal Ideas, the Archetypes. "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made" - John 1:3. This is what "only begotten son" means when the Logos is personified in the mythic language of a human relationship. Being in Christ means being aware of one's identity with the Logos, and hence being aware of Eternal Presence (or the Eternal Present, less personally expressed). Parroting of a book is just simple bibliolatry, not faith, not "being in Christ." But don't believe me, go learn for yourself. Time to dump your childhood level of understanding and be fed with spiritual meat instead of milk.
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Zombi3 said: I've been Christian my whole life and was always pretty happy about it. Lately though I've been really thinking about it and after a few deep psilocybin trips and a crazy LSD trip recently I've really started to question myself... I'm definitely still deeply spiritual and always will be, but yea I don't really think I would label myself a Christian anymore. Anybody in the same boat?
No, I'm in a different boat. I struggled to become a Christian from a secular-reformed Jewish upbringing. I learned biblical myths from Jewish Sunday school and New Testament myths from my Catholic BFF at age 6. I began to doodle crucifixes in the 12th grade and had a dream of offering Jesus some morphine while he was crucified in my freshman dorm's stairwell. An unconscious archetype, the central archetype of the Western psyche was emerging. I took lots of acid during 3 of my 4 years of college, changed my major from pre-med to philosophy (you can imagine how distraught my parents must have been). After college I got baptized in my BFF's Roman Catholic church, seriously considered becoming a monk (I met with a Franciscan, Benedictine and Cistercian [Trappist] monks), until one day I woke up and realized that all the monks I had met were gay and I wasn't! They had no problem living w/o women). Instead, I completed a Masters degree in theological studies at a reputable United Methodist seminary before going off to grad school for a Ph.D. in Human Development & Clinical psych. I learned a great deal then and I have resumed my studies in theology. I had a terrific tutorial on Plotinus and Pseudo-Dionysus in college with a noted theologian, I learned Yoga, but also the Hesychastic techniques of Prayer of the Heart which served as a cultural-spiritual bridge from India to Greece, East to West.
I went through many phases of Christian, even burning my occult library (regrettably but I replaced much more eventually) with Wizard® Barbecue Fluid. I was never a complete literalist. One of my professors even suggested that as a Jew, I could think of myself as an ancient Ebionite, which was a sect of Jewish Christians who held non-orthodox beliefs about the nature of Jesus (i.e., that his nature was not "fully man, fully God." I deferred to the mainstream 'belief' at the time. I struggled with celibacy since my philosophy studies, beat myself up emotionally when I gave in to temptations, and tried to live like a monk in my parents' house after college and during seminary. At grad school I was just plain poor so living like a monk was necessary, although I did have sex and felt that God had punished me when I caught Herpes II (it was really my own damn fault not using a condom. The girl knew she had Herpes and didn't tell me).
Jump 38 years to the present. I've read and recommend one of more than a dozen books by Rev. John Shelby Spong (whom I've met thrice): Liberating the Gospels will demythologize the Bible. It allowed me to reconcile faith as a mode of knowing with reason. I also recommend after that deconstruction, Christ in Egypt by D.M. Murdock, who extensively documents many of the New Testament stories as being directly appropriated from the ancient Egyptian Coffin and Pyramid texts. These two books served as a double punch to my faith which was in suspension as it were. There are forms of Christianity which are Panentheistic rather than strictly theistic. Theism often reeks of pure mythology, but in any event, your major concern IMHO is to reframe your understanding of Christian scriptures in a mythicist and even an astrotheological context (Murdock explains this shift in interpretation), and leave any literal, fundamentalist notions far behind. Supplement with Christian Apocrypha and the Nag Hammadi (Gnostic) scriptures. Bottom line: Don't throw baby Jesus out with the bathwater.
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sprinkles said: drugs seperate your connection to the divine. that is why muslims and other religions do not drink. Or use.
Anyway I think that once you've accepted Jesus as Gods gift and payment for your sin debt you're gonna be alright. Everyone questions things, it's human. Just like every human being has thought about suicide at some point, it's normal. If you were to stop using drugs I know you would re-establish your eternal connection with God and Christ. It is the correct way, and there is nothing that is more important in this life.
The word "drug" is pejorative. Sacred Substances are considered to be medicines among those who utilize their assistance in sacramental fashion. Drugs in your biblical meaning are the Greek word pharmakeia, but this word refers to sorcery, low magick, thaumaturgy, which was inseparable from the substances that sorcery relied upon. For the most part, the plants utilized by sorcery create narcosis, delirium, or hallucinations such as those in the Solanaceae family, the Nightshades, Atropa belladona, Mandragora, Datura stramonium. The alkaloids in these plants are referred to as "nightmare alkaloids" and create true hallucinations, not the beautiful pseudo-visions of indole entheogens (which, incidentally means God-generated-within).
So, whereas certain substances do create a veritable Hell populated by montrosities, deformities, and abject horror, other substances deemed sacred by those of us with spiritual formation, both within and without a Christian idiom, can bring one to various degrees of communion if not union with divinity. The Initiation of Entheogenic Experience was an institution at Eleusis in Greece for over a millennia until fascists in the form of so-called Christians suppressed the practice. But from time to time throughout history, the truth of this Initiation has arisen in Christianity, fro ancient times to medieval times (see the mystic Jacob Boehme's art below from 400 years ago which illustrates the Christian trinity along mycological lines). The Christian Native American Church uses Peyote as a Christian sacrament with its own Christian mythology attached, the "Little Ones" or Psilocybe mexicana mushroom has been used in a context of healing rather than as a sacrament in a Christian context, the Santo Daime Church utilizes Ayahuasca in a syncretistic idiom, which like the Native American Church varies in its Christian content.
So, your ignorance of mysticism and high magick AKA theurgy/transcendental magick (of which Catholic Transubstantiation is a form), is revealed by your erroneous first statement. "Drugs" in the non-pejorative sense of medicines, not of lowly sorceries, DO INDEED facilitate connection with the divine. This has been demonstrated in those of us who over a period of several decades of life have had our entire point and purpose of life reoriented by the employment of Sacred Substances. Personal ethics have expanded to more and more universal proportion, including all people (and their faiths) and not only that but to animal rights as well. Beyond that, universal ethics need expand to the very planet Earth which is our very Mother, which sounds very 'native,' and is morally superior to the political-Christian corruption of the word dominion to mean domination, and thence exploitation, like the character of a despicable 'pastor' of a mega-church who lives in obscene opulence. IMO your preaching is biased to a particular mentality that embodies a mere husk of living Christianity, an artifact of a lived experience that so desperately clings to an old agenda that it uses falsehoods (i.e., that "drugs" separate one from divinity) to control others as orthodox Christianity has perpetrated for too long.
Learn something new about something rather old. That would include the use of Entheogens, but also you might learn that the vicarious sacrifice theology of mainstream Christianity is not the ONLY theology, and the one that you're pushing is not readily assimilable as we leave the Picean Age (The Fish, the original astrotheological symbol of the Christian era) and move into the Age of Aquarius. The Age of Aries (the Ram) characterized the patriarchal Abrahamic faith, Jesus characterizes the Picean Age, and you need to realize that humanity is entering a new manifestation of the Logos. A mythic 1st century Judean itinerant preacher is a vehicle, but the Truth requires Realization - being made Real in the individual. This is the biblical age of the Holy Spirit to be Realized within one's being, not put on a pedestal and worshipped without any Real change to one's corrupt "natural man." Look at the world. Look at history. Wake Up.
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Synchronistically timed post there Zombi!
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Yea man I saw that too bro!!! The universe lol
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I was in the same boat as you OP, not too long ago. I grew up a devout christian, but it didn't really hold up once I started taking psychedelics. I quickly learned that I did not agree with most of the judeo-Christian ideals. I felt a little strange about this transition, because I knew I was a very spiritual person, I think all humans are actually. However, in the end, Christianity was the round hole to the square peg of psychedelics for me. Just don't let anyone use scare tactics to steer your beliefs-this is guaranteed bullshit and many religions thrive off of it.
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the time comes when its appropriate to shed specific mistruths and partial truths from one's being in order to more fully realize and radiate one's inner truth and being it can be distressing to the human self to lose long associated beliefs, but after they pass and new awareness emerges to take it's place, i think you will be much happier when one door closes, another opens... and doors keep getting better and more expansive as we unfold more 
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When we go against love (god) we cause ourselves to suffer (sin)
When we're tempted (mindfulness), we choose to enter heaven (love) or hell (suffering).
As the Bible repeatedly says, we are our own worst enemy. The devil is inside.
The kingdom of god is not a GPS address in the sky. It's an experience.
Luke 17:21 says the kingdom of god is within us all.
To be holy is to be whole. Humans tend to feel fractured, defective, and incomplete.
I'm a devout atheist, but I find significant wisdom in Christ's teachings!
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The historical Iesous, if he existed at all other than as a literary creation, was certainly mythologized in the gospels. Assuming there was one particular Isa/Y'shua from Nazareth, the man died two millennia ago, so whatever 'friend you have in Jesus' is a metaphorical one at best, seeing as how an Aramaic-speaking Judean peasant rabbi is not presently available to you. What you can claim without anyone knowing any differently is that you may have a relationship with the Logos, the Eternal Presence (or Present, for the transpersonalist).
Whether you realize or not, or acknowledge it or not, you are still practicing Bhakti Yoga, which you may have first learned through phenomenologically similar devotions with Lord Krishna. Among Krishna's devotees, the Bhagavad Gita teaches the "Divine Personality of the Godhead," and that such a personal relationship is superior to the 'impersonalist yogi' who in solitude meditates on "the plenary expansion of Vishnu in the Lotus of the Heart." One simply redirects from the "Lotus of the Heart" idiom to the 'Sacred Heart" (if one goes Catholic), or to the less picturesque references to "the spiritual man" or "the inner man" in Protestantism or Eastern Orthodox Christianity.
So the bottom line is that the changes you have made are not essentially different. The divine names have changed, as have the corresponding scriptures, but the transcendental faculty at bottom remains the same in your psyche, as does your need for devotion to a personal God. I am not criticizing you for your devotions, but I am pointing out that since you are not dealing with things that are in form, it really doesn't matter that the object of your devotion is imagined to be a 1st century brown-skinned Judean or a blue-skinned god in Brahmanical Indian garb. Neither exists in space-time as form, both admit of personal and impersonal/transpersonal aspects, both assume peace-making as well as warrior stances in their respective scriptures, and both 'avatars' speak to a personal relationship forthe sake of salvation.
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Zombi3 said: I've been Christian my whole life and was always pretty happy about it. Lately though I've been really thinking about it and after a few deep psilocybin trips and a crazy LSD trip recently I've really started to question myself... I'm definitely still deeply spiritual and always will be, but yea I don't really think I would label myself a Christian anymore. Anybody in the same boat?
Let's just look on the bottom of things. What is christianity? A guilt complex that is based on the pretext that you are responsible for everything bad and evil that happened to the world. That you are the cause of literally all crap in the world, to the point that even "God" (who is a jew) had to descent and give its own "Son" so you can be saved, in a staged movie script straight from heaven. According to them, that's how retarded you are. You need to practice "Repenting" which consists of opening your soul to the jews, obeying and serving an otherwise "ominpotent" god, stay away from the Pagan Satan at all costs, and give all your hard earned labor in the form of "Charity" to "Brother Shekelstein" in your local church. Then, if you served the jews enough, you *MAY* be eligible to sing hymns eternally to an egopathic and jealous god in heaven. But oh wait, the bible on tis own states, that thou goyims shall never enter heaven, for thou are dogs in the flesh.
Doesn't mattery Goy! Keep on trying. Maybe if you produce a lot for the jews you will be good Shabbos and you will end up in the 2800 elect slaves of the Jews in the Messianic Empire of "God". Who being all powerful, has failed to obliterate the otherwise, "serving him" Satan, for thousands of years. Whom Satan by the way existed even before "god", and was worshipped by the whole planet, in our "godlessness".
Makes sense. All of it.
You need to repent to the jews, in order for the jews to rectify you for the sins, issues and problems they themselves discovered you have. Because you are such a cattle and a retard. Now make jews your god so they can save you from the problems they discovered that you have. Don't forget to fight to get into the jewish heaven, in which anyway, only 144,000 elect kikes will be. Don't question "god" because you are too dumb to understand anyway.
Guilt is nothing but an emotion that the jews push on humanity to open them to parasitism. This weakness is nothing but turning your blame on yourself for things you have never comitted. If any parasite on nature is advanced, this would be the emotion of choice, only second to love. Why the jews want love? Because the "love" is an attracting principle that works to synthesize opposites in nature. It can unite male and female and make amazing things happen, but wrongly placed it can materialize one's destruction and love for their death. What is mercy? The emotion the parasite jew causes to the human being that has discovered them for what they are and want to remove them from their body.
Due to the fear the servitude has produced, the victim is worried and afraid that removal of the parasite will harm them, which unfortunately may be the case in some ways. But its more worthy to try, than to let the infection happen until you are dead, isn't it? You may actually succeed in living parasite free, soul, mind and body. And get into a new and elevated state. But...But the jew said...Don't try to go above the throne of god (jews) like Satan, for you will be crushed.
Meanwhile in Heaven, there is a recorded video on what happens there:
Aren't you all of Goyims ashamed? Why don't you allow the holy jews to make you a slave, parasitize you, and kill you? Why do you still want to own a goddamned fucking "Soul", even after Rabbi Schneerson said your Soul is just an animal soul made from the "Satanic Spheres"? Just why?
Are you immoral bastards? Yes, that's what you are. No christian morals in you at all. Now, how the fuck will the jew succeed in damning you eternally, goyim? I guess by marital law or military power or something. Well, at least that is the desired plan. Otherwise jews will just lose the war against the "Goyim" and call it a day.
Seriously now, all these programs have the same root.
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I didn't read many of the replies Zombi3, because... well... the first few pages hurt my brain.
I don't think there is a right and wrong answer to what you should believe in. I have never been religious, or not religious. Spirituality can be a fluid concept that changes over time, and if you feel Christianity isn't right for you, well... then it isn't. What you can be sure of is that all religions will all be waiting if you choose to turn to them, and the only thing that really matters is if you are a good person or not.
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I always see Christian people in the same boat as UFO believers, conspiracy theorists ect ect. as naive people who want to believe in something because they wish it were true and want it to be true so they can feel like they have a special relationship to the universe or 9/11 or UFO's. Like they have a secret knowledge as to the true nature of something. The way I see it, people use religion as a placebo effect to feel better about the fact they're going to die. They use it to help make sense of a chaotic and trendlessly fluctuating universe. They use it as a coping mechanism to stay positive in the face of hopeless and painful situations.
I am not a religious person by any means, like I said 95% of religions are for naive dumb people with really broken bullshit detectors who like to be spoon fed answers which make sense of the trendlessly fluctuating world we live in instead of critically thinking.
I have never been a religious person as to me they are plain as the nose on your face obvious social, political and spiritual institutions designed to exploit the human desire for a spiritual connection to the universe and other people. Exploiting them by taking advantage of peoples spiritual hunger for organizing a class structure in any state or government which is to benefit the state or government. I see most religions as tools for organizing cultures and people to not ask tough questions, to blindly follow authority and get in line and do what your told. I think most religions are apart of one of the greatest scams in the history of humanity. Opium for the masses.
Since I hold such strong beliefs about religion and how christians basically believe that god created his son inside the whom of a virgin (impossible) had him die on the cross for my sins, rise to life after being dead for 3 days then ascending to heaven for all of eternity (impossible.) Who continues to hold the dying on the cross thing over my head forever in the expectation that I'll let god or jesus extort me into following the rules of the particular institution because it allows the people at the top to keep making money, keep trouble makers in line and not have people asking questions about the core beliefs, values and ideology of the institution.
For me personally spirituality is something I struggle with every day and I have not gotten very far with it. It's very hard for me to define it because I don't really understand it. The only way I can describe it is the awareness of my own awareness and the universe is aware of my awareness of it. That's as far as I've gotten. I don't have time to help prop up 2,000 year old religious institutions and help run their scams on a vulnerable and confused public for all of eternity.
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If you've never seriously questioned your religious views then you're kinda just following the crowd in coming to terms with feeling anxious about dying.
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I've been Christian my whole life and was always pretty happy about it. Lately though I've been really thinking about it and after a few deep psilocybin trips and a crazy LSD trip recently I've really started to question myself... I'm definitely still deeply spiritual and always will be, but yea I don't really think I would label myself a Christian anymore. Anybody in the same boat?
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You gotta question everything in your life at some point
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] 1
#23620408 - 09/06/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sprinkles said: dont second guess yourself.
Don't just teach your children to read... Teach them to question what they read. Teach them to question everything. --George Carlin
If your belief system has a name, you're in trouble. --George Carlin
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: sprinkles] 1
#23620482 - 09/07/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sprinkles said: as you get older and have more negative experiences happen in life it taints your overall view of things I think.
It doesn't have to be this way. It just takes putting in some serious effort struggling against the current that drags us to this perspective at times.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Seriously questioning my religious views [Re: Zombi3] 1
#23622693 - 09/07/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said: You gotta question everything in your life at some point
WO you are now a heretic! Christians and other rigid hierarchical authoritarian cults do not like any questioning, and I include our secular culture based in scientism also. IF you 'question' here you can get yourself labeled 'mentally ill'. IE questioning does not have to be verbal form of question, but may manifest in a whole manner of ways. But if these questions disturb the prevailing author-ity then this can cause you trouble
I saw this very eye-opening video few days ago. A psychological experiment where a waiting room was set up with actors, and an unsuspecting person, a young woman. Every time this bell went off the other stood up, and eventually the one who didn't know what was going on did too. When they all one by one went except for the young woman even on her own she began standing every time the bell sounded. And then real people came in and they did too! it was hillarious and deeply sad at the same time
This is how the Christian myth works. It uses the old ploy of divide and control in a very deep way, making you fear nature, and your own body and nature, and others. THEN it has you unstable and can promise you a reward/solution IF you cling to their author-ity, 'heaven', and if you don't?----'hell', everlastingly. So all the fear is designed to have you stuck in it, not questioning (in the past the burnt people alive who questioned the 'faith'), but sacrificing your life--and your kids if you have them--to that absurd belief system.
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