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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Atomisk]
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Helps ease the pain of the probing...
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Shroomism]
#2359525 - 02/20/04 01:30 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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i believe you really believe your in contact with these beings, and thats cool, you seem like a nice guy shroomism, so please dont take this as a knock, try to see it from my shoes, ive never had any such experiences, so you see, its hard for me to imagine something that seems so far out to me...its something i'd have to experience to truely believe...like i said, im not in any way knocking your beliefs, i think they are quite interesting and im intrigued. so, please continue when you have the time to do so.
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Ego Death]
#2359718 - 02/20/04 02:10 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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i've always thought of the "sighted" UFO's (you know, the crash landing ones, or the ones that get too close to us so we can video tape them) were just drunken teenage idiot aliens who thought it'd be cool to get real close to earth. just a theory ive had, i guess.
anyway, i did see some super natural stuff happening in the sky once. big light flash covering the whole sky at once (at 11pm in the dead middle of nowhere), and then a trail of light immediately forming after this and remaining in the sky for around the same duration that a plane's smoke trail lasts. no camera, though. my friend saw the exact same thing i did (he was with me).
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Shroomism]
#2359943 - 02/20/04 02:52 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey, Shroomism, I'm wondering how you "invite" these aliens to visit? Do you just think it, or use a form of meditation or do you go outside and just yell real loud? This is all very interesting to me, as I also have had some close encounters (or atleast think I have).
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: PoopShooter]
#2360037 - 02/20/04 03:15 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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H D Ballard ....wrote a sci fi story in 1967 about aliens comming to earth and selling magic mushroom kits to the younger generation with the intention of making contact through the telepathic plane. this was how I met the lurker at the threashhold via amazonian strain, I believe this being to have been not of this world. the same evening a ufo was sighted by hundreds of people in the town hovering in the sky above. I was told that if I wanted to make further contact it would be instigated by the taking of the amazonian . At the time it scared the shit out of me but 1977 was a long time ago and now I have the strenght to hold on ,may the force be with me and the sword of truth.
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But what your actually suggesting has no scientific testable basis - your conclusions and hypothesis that these objects are automatically from 'outer space' has no basis in factual evidence. UFOs as objects exist as I myself have seen strange and unexplainable objects on three seperate occassions, once with a group of six astronomers - and i believe some people have contact with what THEY BELIEVE or are TOLD are beings from other planets. They may even see 'star maps' BettyHill abduction) or strange writing (zeta reticuli abduction scenarios) but this doesnt automatically prove the mundane reality that they are all space men. But that is where the scientific leaves this equasion. You cannot use science to explain anything else about this phenonema until there is evidence that indicates your contention is even slightly on the right path. The slim archaeological evidence that suggests contact with intelligences with strange physical appearances provides no context for these pictures that automatically says : YES THEY HAVE TO BE FROM OUTSPACE BECAUSE OUR BRAINS CANT COMPREHEND ANYTHING MORE DEFYING TO OUR CURRENT SIMPLISTIC VIEW OF PHYSICS !!!' To say that you dont like the greys is quite ludicrious. It assumes that you have experience with material creatures from Zeta Reticula or whereever and that they are sinister. The truth is that your basing this one the american crap youve read about the greys. And reading views by Witley Streiber and many abduction experiencers the truth is far more disturbing - that the grey organic description is only one of many shapes and appearances that the intelligence use during one contact experience. The catagorisation into different 'races' is a human attempt to fit this unexplainable phenonema into a simplistic mind view that people want to believe in - a crutch like religion. The real reason many of you and the UFO community at large are so eager to label these objects and intelligences as from 'outer space' is as John Keel suggests in his fantastic book 'The Mothmen Prophercies '(nothing like the film!!!) - because it supports your own world views - it makes you feel good inside that even the unexplainable will actually conform to their rather unimaginative view of reality. Because no one can prove otherwise, they accept that this basic and unimaginitive theory is reality and even try to describe the many different 'races' of aliens - which all seem to conform to the same homonid shape that humans happened to evolve into, and all with two arms and two legs. You might have the zeta reticulan greys, the orion greys, the reptileans from draco, or the nordic pleadeians - seriously its primary school theory - even George Lucas could have provided a more indepth explaination. I used to be quite into UFOs and spent countless hours researching this topic and was even lucky enough to see a black triangle, an orange disk with yellow lights and a red blob that changed 180 degrees at speeds far beyond the explanation of current human physics. If these craft act in ways that defy our physical understanding of reality, why is it so hard to believe or be open to the possiblity that the intelligence behind these phenonema also do??? Because the knowledge that you cannot in any way explain this phenonema scares you. It is just as likely that these objects arent even physical in nature - that they represent a breach between our time/space and a timeless and ever-existant other of McKenna type fame. They could be us in the far distant future in time machines who tell us they are aliens so we dont realise our own futures. They could be the dead who have manifested themselves in material form for a short period for some unknown task. In the past they were elves and pixies because it fit with the belief system - them as aliens has just molded the phenonema into a new world view. ANYWAY PLEASE READ JOHN KEEL"S BOOK - its an eye opener!
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Zen Peddler]
#2362858 - 02/21/04 07:16 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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What is evidence? These UFOs are nothing we can confine to our laboratories or do repeatable examinations upon. But through earlier mentioned documentation we can make a somewhat clearer picture of the phenomena.
That extraterrestial intelligence is involved seems to me to be an interesting hypothesis. You mention some others, and I am familiar and have thought about those as well.
I belive we have to separate the "hard" material UFO sightings, appearing on radar and sighted by pilots (and often witnessed by large groups) from mental UFO phenomena (i.e. alien abduction stories), happening often as a person is about to sleep or waking up (in the Grey hours).
Among the "hard" UFOs we have the more etherical balls of light and other bright luminous phenomena, and we have the more steel-draped material craftlike vessels.
You speculate that some of the UFO phenomena can be of an unphysical character, or from a spirit realm (for me there is nothing that is unphysical; it depends on how you define physics.. But I understand what you mean). In my previous post I also implied that this could indeed be the case, as a higher-dimensional phenomena intersecting our plane of existence. Yes, I labeled this hyperdimensional phenomena extraterrestial, although such a word seems to loose its meaning while operating within higher dimensions.
I think the etherical UFOs is the best candidates for such an explanation.
As for the space-craft UFOs this seems unlikely to me as they are apparently 3-dimensional constructions. There is of course speculations if these UFOs are US military experimental crafts. This seems very unlikely to me, as such a technology would be lightyears ahead the technology of main-stram science. This is a strong indication of extra-terrestial activity.
As for the mental UFO phenomena I agree that we should not be hasty to characterize these as extra-terrestial of origin. Another possible explanation is that they are a meme planted by some Grand Sorcerers within the US government, for wathever purpose (haha, this is how far the psi program has developed, speculations allowed! Please, I do no hold this as very likely, I just can't exclude it either. Do not label me among the paranoid conspiracy bunch). Before the 1970s there were no reports of the greys, and then it suddenly exploded. Others speculate that the greys are 4dimensional probes or robots used by other races. And we have of course explanations along the path shroomism is suggesting.
The reason I said that I do not like the Greys is because they, whatever they are, intrude upon individuals (Shroomism says they must be invited, but I do not quite buy that). Many people have had negative experiences with them, so I do not understand how you can label my feelings of dis-like of such a phenomena as ludicrous.
You imply that these alien phenomena could also be the ancient belief in elves and goblins that now have gotten a different reality-frame to operate within. But this is not an argument against aliens. That would have been the same as imlying that the belief that lightning is caused by electrical discharges is somewhat dubiously, as they in the past believed (in norse mythology) that it was the thundergod Thor striking his hammer. Yes, there is a phenomena that people have experienced up through the ages, but our worldview becomes increasingly advanced, and the actual facts of thing becomes clearer.
As for the Orions, the lizards, the cats and other creatures, I am of somewhat the same opinon as yourself. Why would someone call themselves the Orions? Orion is a constellation, from our 2D perspective the stars in the constellation may seem like they are close, but the luminousity of the stars vary and they are really quite apart. Such a name seems a bit Lucas to me as well.
And why would we have a variety of aliens that are exactly like earthly life? It seems unlikely. But maybe shroomism is not that far away either, if we take Rupert Shaldrakes theories of a formative morphogenetic field into consideration. This field is perhaps non-lokal or have a wide range, making life in our corner of the galaxy to be quite similar.
But then again I am also open to the idea that it is we who clothe these beings.
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bluemeanie... some people speculate that the greys from zeta reticuli, is a parallel Earth reality in the future. It's one of our possible realities. It's a long story, but basically they destroyed the atmosphere with war and technology, had to live underground for many generations, while underground modified their dna and evolved to suit dark cramp places, when they finally emerged from the underground they found their planet had changed star systems, which led them on a quest for knowledge and they later discovered it had slipped into a wormhole or some crap. poopshooter... contacting these beings is not hard.. it is processing and remembering the experiences that is. It can be said with certainty, that everyone on Earth right now, has had contact with one of these beings in some form or another. Many people don't consider their 'contacts' to be valid reality, so they dismiss it. These beings do not function on our level of reality, that is, they do not have a "beta" mindwave. Alpha, theta, and delta, is what they live in. There is no such thing as an ego based reality for them. Also, they communicate telepathically, since mind-to-mind communication has long been deemed the universal language, with the least possibility for misinterpretation. Telepathy occurs in the subconscious mind, as that is where all memories and archetypes are stored. Therefore we may not necessarily be consciously aware of a telepathic conversation, if we are not in tune with our subconscious. These beings are a subtle energy. They are in no rush to land with the mothership and be known publically worldwide. They understand that first contact is a gradual process... it has been done many times before in the past. For you see, when a civilization reaches a certain point in its development, it becomes inevitable that they will encounter otherworldly beings.. they like to make themselves known right around that time, so that they can give us some advice and tips and help us into a new era of communication and brotherhood. Developing contact with these beings is a very personal process for everyone... everyone must first battle their own inner demons and face archetypes and all sorts of things. In fact they have provided a list of very important things to do that will help to assimilate and remember contact. Some may seem simple and obvious, but they are all very important. If everyone did this the world would be a better place. 1. Acknowledge Inevitability This is usually easy. acknowledge the reality and inevitability of an open relationship with beings not of your realm. This isn't a conscious thing, it's deeply emotional. It's not a hope, but a certainty... 2. Personal Truth vs. Disinformation This is pretty much a no-brainer. UFOs and UFO related subjects.. there are a lot of opinions, and a lot of disinformation. However, the only opinion that matters is the one you hold. So first start on the intellectual level and go through and throw out all those opinions and ideas you think are bullshit. Get to the root of what you believe. Then do your emotional homework.. ask yourself if there's anything you fear about ET contact...the most common fear is that the human will lose his or her ego...this deep fear cannot be accessed by conscious mind, as that is ruled by ego, so you need to dig deep. Find your own truths and your own secret fears about this contact phenomenon. 3. Embrace Humanity This one is pretty obvious. How do you embrace open contact with an ET species... when we can't even embrace each other? How do you accept an equal and open relationship with a zeta or 'orion' or pleiadian, if you cannot do so with a black, white, or gay? Contact is unable to occur on its fullest level until humanity embraces itself. On every level..conscious and unconscious. This doesn't mean go out and embrace a serial killer, just examine the unconscious part of you that refuses to embrace people that you fear. Go within. Who do you fear in your own society? Pick them out and look at what they represent to you as an individual. This is a very powerful step. Just examining these things will bring certain things to light and your reality begins to change. 4. Interspecies Communication This is an easy one. There are many alient species on Earth, all of which have a certain type of sentience, not the same as ours, but still sentience nonetheless. Learn to communicate with these different species, but don't communicate according to your rules of communication... reach out into their world...and find a common ground where you two can merge realities. If you try to communicate by your rules, you will be disapointed. Reach out into their realm, and make new rules with them. This is like SETI blasting radio waves into space and searching for alien transmissions, expecting aliens to communicate according to OUR rules of communication. That is the exact same as sending smoke signals to NASA and expecting a return communication... it's not going to happen. We have to find a common ground. Radio waves are so primitive anyway. A common ground for alien contact is through dreams. The ETs can access that reality easily, they are not communicating according to their rules, but not according to our rules either. It is a good starting point. 5. Confront your fears Humans fear things. I'm not talking about fear of death or snakes or small spaces..those are rational, conscious fears. I am talking about fears of which the conscious mind is unaware....fears that are buried in the unconscious, and the ego protects us from knowing about these fears. Intellect cannot help you find these fears, as again, intellect represent conscious mind (ego), and therefore cannot communicate what the unconscious is fearing. So to work on these deep, dark, inner fears..we must work on other levels. Each of us can find our own tools..some example are rebirthing, regression, or anything that uses archetypes,like dreamwork or certain native american rituals. Do whatever you can to unlock the unconscious and face your fears. It may get hairy, but you will feel much better in the end. The unconscious mind is like opening pandora's box..you never know whats going to come flying out.. much of the scary stuff comes out before it balances itself out. 6. Integrate self and decompartmentalize Change your perception. When you talk to people, talk to their whole body as a total unit, and not just their head. Become whole and not a bunch of parts. This is more a process of self-discovery then anything. 7. Reclaim your power Stop fighting each other. Stop being a victim. This is a culmination of these seven steps... and should come naturally. Reclaim your power as a sovereign being. Follow the above steps and you will be well on your way to remembering the contact that has been there all along. friends I have said that humanoid is the most common form of intelligent life, which it is, but that does not mean it is the only form. There are certain alien species that if you saw and did not have a good sense of self, would completely lose it. This is why it is necessary to do these things and lose judgement. This is also why humanoids are the active visiting races..they dont want to freak us out too bad. I mentioned plasma and silicon based races.. now just imagine that for a second... intelligent, sentient life can come in many strange forms. It just so happens that human is very common, just because two arms, two legs, two eyes, carbon and water based life form is very efficient for experiencing intelligent and spiritual life. It's track tested. Also with the greys. I stand by what I said that all contact must be invited. This deals with the compartmentalization issue.... many times a person will agree to a contact on the subconscious level, which is where the telepathy and communication occurs.... but on the conscious level, they may be afraid of it, and be saying NO NO NO. Well the greys don't hear conscious mind, they only hear subconscious and unconscious. So because of that person's compartmentalized consciousness, one part may be saying one thing, while consciously, they are thinking they are saying no. And during the encounter, they will be telling themselves (consciously) that it is an abduction, and they did not agree to it...when really... they agreed completely. It can be very tricky, which is why it is very important to analyze these things within youself. No one is a victim.
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Shroomism]
#2363053 - 02/21/04 09:23 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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could you try to describe the plasma and silicon based beings, please?
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Atomisk]
#2363134 - 02/21/04 09:50 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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not sufficiently, no. a silicon-based life form would be completely different from life as we know it. the closest I could come would be to tell you to imagine an intelligent formless green blob or an amoebae..although silicon based life could take on many forms.
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Atomisk]
#2363408 - 02/21/04 11:09 AM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Atomisk said: i believe you really believe your in contact with these beings, and thats cool, you seem like a nice guy shroomism, so please dont take this as a knock, try to see it from my shoes, ive never had any such experiences, so you see, its hard for me to imagine something that seems so far out to me...its something i'd have to experience to truely believe...like i said, im not in any way knocking your beliefs, i think they are quite interesting and im intrigued. so, please continue when you have the time to do so.
You and me are in the same level in this topic. Im open to the concept but it would be impossible to fully embrace something that i havent experienced. I have been tought not to belive everything i read and sometimes i don't even belive what i experience myself. However i enjoy Shroomisms "alien" post very much because i am familiar with everything he speaks of and know that this is a world wide movement, not just Shroomism. Especially belivers in the Plaedians and Annunaki alien races wich have been in contact with Humanity since the beggining. The Plaedian belivers can point out the Galaxy wich they live on and everything. It's all very intresting stuff and it ties with religion and human history. However at this point i take everything as a possibilty and not fact. But thats just how i take everything i learn. It helps me keep my sanity.
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Shroomism]
#2363592 - 02/21/04 12:03 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Have you seen the material on www.cassiopaea.org ? Especially the section "The Wave" related to the ascendancy to 4th density. They channel someone that calls themselves the Cassiopaeans. Would you label it disinformation or does it reflect your own view on things?
They seem to imply that we are under negative influence from 4th density reptilians (cough.. this is quite weird to me. But a friend of mine is a "supporter" of this cassiopaean view).
I`m just gathering information. Presently I am at Spokesman's level when evaluing these things; everything is possibility but nothing facts. Well, I see higher dimensional reality as fact (sort of), Spokesman probably see the beer in his hand as a fact , and you probably see the aliens you frequently communicate with as a fact.
Just expanding consciousness...
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Ego Death]
#2363651 - 02/21/04 12:22 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great thread danoEoboy!
Those who don't believe in extra terrestrials are trying too hard not to believe in them.
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Atomisk
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Shroomism]
#2363977 - 02/21/04 01:31 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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what are some good books and web-sites that cover this whole alien conspiracy thing?
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Shroomism]
#2364023 - 02/21/04 01:41 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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a silicon-based life form would be completely different from life as we know it. the closest I could come would be to tell you to imagine an intelligent formless green blob or an amoebae..
Think of the Horta (a silicon-based amorphous blob) from a 1969 Star Trek episode. Guess those screenwriters are pretty advanced dudes...
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Learyfan]
#2364033 - 02/21/04 01:44 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah, the notorious Adamski photo hoax using fishing line and Hoover vacuum cleaner parts. What intelligent being wouldn't be convinced?
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Swami]
#2364061 - 02/21/04 01:55 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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That picture may or may not be faked, but I know one thing. Dano has some good evidence in his first post in this thread.
With all due respect, how do you justify writing off all extraterrestrial sightings in the face of such evidence? You're just believing what the government wants you to believe. You didn't believe them when it came to "Operation Iraqi Liberation", so why do you believe them now in the face of such evidence of UFO's?
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said: Great thread danoEoboy!
Those who don't believe in extra terrestrials are trying too hard not to believe in them.
I believe extraterrestrials exist, but I think they're chilling on their own planets.
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The Visonaire, i was going through that link you gave us and i found the first chapter of The Wave very interesting.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave_i.htm
At first i was reading with a great deal of skepticism as I'm not a firm believer in the credibility of hypnosis as a recalling memory technique. But halfway through the second transmission section, the events that were being described kept reminding me of references in the Christian Bible. Everything from the garden of Eden to Jesus to the book of Revelations. Especially the rapture.
I recommend everyone interested reads this entire first chapter, even if your in it for a sci-fi thrill, a chuckle, or your truly a believer. It's long so i haven't finished it. Im on the part about the Nephilim living planet-less in the constellation of Orion. Aw going to be searching this subject on Google and Books for the next couple of days. This has defenetly caught my attention.
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Re: Evidence of UFO's V2 [Re: Atomisk]
#2365242 - 02/21/04 07:35 PM (20 years, 1 month ago) |
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A good book is 'Close encounters of the 4th kind' by CDB.Bryan.
I'm not sure if I buy into this 4th density stuff, I mean who exactly decided all this stuff was correct?
At the moment I know E.T's real, but I don't think I can speculate as far to say he's living in the 4th density and feeding from our fear!
But, I respect everyones ideas and views, cheers guys!
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