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If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college?
    #23620019 - 09/06/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And if so, what?


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23620036 - 09/06/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

As of now, I would not have gone to college and would have instead learned a trade like masonry.

In a months time that answer may be different. I have yet to find a good job with my degree


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23620053 - 09/06/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I got a degree in film... dont get a degree in film unless you live in LA or want to move to LA and have the money too.

There is pretty much no steady work outside of LA.

I would get my degree in computer science or IT work, I originally wanted to do CS but i was a scared little bitch about all the math involved but i would probably be making 70 to 100k right now :facepalm:


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23620062 - 09/06/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would have:

...slept more

...studied before partying (rather than the other way around)

...slept with more people.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23620067 - 09/06/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i flunked outta college years ago an never went back but don't regret it yet cuz ive been on a steady uphill slope ever since


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Sheekle] * 3
    #23620070 - 09/06/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i flunked outta college years ago an never went back but don't regret it yet cuz ive been on a steady uphill slope ever since




You mean you graduated with a degree in shitposting?


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23620094 - 09/06/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

they kicked me out of my CS degree because I had a C before and another C in bio even tho i re did the class and got a B all the other classes, it really sucks so yeah now i wish that i had just gotten a couple certificate 30,000 dollars is a waste
I can still do IT stuff but that's just as boring and you don't make that much more money, I might get the information degree and just do it until I get fired and move back to my parents area


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23620098 - 09/06/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would'nt have wasted time going at all.  My greatest accomplishments in the short time i attended a community college were sabotaging an entire computer room by switching about all the wires, as well as masturbating and smoking pot inside my empty classroom.  I majored in chem and minored in small business management, and my lack ov interest in other courses at the time would have been equal in proportion.  I now have a job i enjoy and live comfortably, if modestly.  As a child i envisioned myself as a blimp pilot or marine biologist specializing in pinnipeds, but i was never afforded the opportunities to pursue those paths.  Maybe those would have been more ideal if i could go back in time and was also granted the chance and finances to attend the necessary courses.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Konyap]
    #23620103 - 09/06/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My degree is in CS and the careers aren't exactly flying off the shelves


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23620112 - 09/06/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yeah but a IT career is just as dumb you set up everyones shit then leave lol they'll move to the cloud and won't even need an IT guy soon

the guy plugging phone lines back in with the A+ degree is caking it by now making like 100,000 a year to show up while I'm competing with foreigners for a indoor job


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: lavod]
    #23622073 - 09/07/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I would'nt have wasted time going at all.  My greatest accomplishments in the short time i attended a community college were sabotaging an entire computer room by switching about all the wires, as well as masturbating and smoking pot inside my empty classroom.  I majored in chem and minored in small business management, and my lack ov interest in other courses at the time would have been equal in proportion.  I now have a job i enjoy and live comfortably, if modestly.  As a child i envisioned myself as a blimp pilot or marine biologist specializing in pinnipeds, but i was never afforded the opportunities to pursue those paths.  Maybe those would have been more ideal if i could go back in time and was also granted the chance and finances to attend the necessary courses.




Were these opportunities withheld from you, or did you waste your time at college smoking pot and jacking off?


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23623065 - 09/07/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I love what I do for a living & certainly makes me happy. But if I could go back in time I'd go to med school. Specialize either in neurology or emergency medicine. Sometimes I still float the idea tbh. But it's too late for all that.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23623096 - 09/07/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i hate school. love to learn tho. just hate having to sit in a class, it's madness i tell ya what!


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23623522 - 09/07/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i flunked outta college years ago an never went back but don't regret it yet cuz ive been on a steady uphill slope ever since




You mean you graduated with a degree in shitposting?



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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Sheekle]
    #23623533 - 09/07/16 08:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I probably wouldn't have gone at all but if I had to go back I would've done computer science


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #23623562 - 09/07/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

if i could go back in time i would have skipped a few majors

i ended up dropping out

self-education is extremely easy with the collective brain known as the internet


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Sheekle]
    #23623563 - 09/07/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i flunked outta college years ago an never went back but don't regret it yet cuz ive been on a steady uphill slope ever since




You mean you graduated with a degree in shitposting?



love it when celestial traveler cries :laugh2:




You must have gotten your Ph.D :loldongs:


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #23623620 - 09/07/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i'm about two semesters away from having a BA in philosophy. i believe my field chose me. i simply cannot see myself studying anything else, nor would i want to be anyone else than the man i am today after the five years of heartbreak, turmoil and anguish that i've endured to earn my education. college has been anything but a party for me. but it's permanently changed me for the better. and with respect to my career, combined with my previous experience (i was a civil cadd tech for about ten years), there's a lot of value in someone like myself; i've recently started a job in a lucrative industry where things are already moving fast. i don't know where it's all going just yet, but things are finally looking up, and i'm looking forward to enjoying the ride. 

if i have any regret it's that i cannot attend law school due to my ancient criminal past. i'm told it could perhaps be overlooked because of my circumstances, but it's not a gamble i'm willing to make. it hurts. i'd make a stellar attorney. but things happen for a reason. and career withstanding, professional school is still in my sights. maybe having a less demanding day job will afford me access to fields in which a high degree of philosophical training would come in handy (like grant writing, non profit research etc.).


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Me_Roy]
    #23623649 - 09/07/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Were these opportunities withheld from you, or did you waste your time at college smoking pot and jacking off?


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Both. My grandparents and i were not able to afford the necessary training and education for those fields at the time, and i was comfortable smoking pot and jerking off instead ov putting effort towards subpar education in less desirable fields.  Why do you ask? Do you figure me as lazy?


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler] * 1
    #23623659 - 09/07/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
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Sheekle said:
i flunked outta college years ago an never went back but don't regret it yet cuz ive been on a steady uphill slope ever since




You mean you graduated with a degree in shitposting?



love it when celestial traveler cries :laugh2:




You must have gotten your Ph.D :loldongs:



do u need a mop to wipe up ur tears


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Sheekle]
    #23623777 - 09/07/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why, are you a janitor too?


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23623784 - 09/07/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

im a candlesmith here to pick up ur melt


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Sheekle]
    #23623785 - 09/07/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

...or are you a McDonald's worker, here to serve me a melt?


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23623795 - 09/07/16 09:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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As of now, I would not have gone to college and would have instead learned a trade like masonry.

In a months time that answer may be different. I have yet to find a good job with my degree



This is my answer too. I'd probably just focus on music and work a bullshit job til it takes me somewhere, and if that fails I'd pick up a trade. Fuck college. Huge fuckin scam.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23623807 - 09/07/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

u say it like working at mcdonalds is bad thing..


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: zZZz]
    #23623815 - 09/07/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:thatsayes:


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23623831 - 09/07/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

well it's not.. work is work.. have some respect for ur fellow working brothers and sisters


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: zZZz]
    #23623866 - 09/07/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:pm: from Sheekle:

[MOD EDIT: Please don't post PM's from other members]

If someone could tell him I meant no offense and was only joking.

Also that he can keep his melts, I don't like McDonald's anyways.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23623959 - 09/07/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

lol


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
    #23623982 - 09/07/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i've recently started a job in a lucrative industry where things are already moving fast.



What kind of lucrative industry is one qualified to work in with a degree in philosophy millzy? Or, more specifically, what is the industry you've got into?


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23624296 - 09/07/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i'm in commercial printing. we're a small but rapidly growing company; we have a few facilities in a few states and one overseas. the career path that sounds the most interesting to me is political marketing. it's basically working with elected officials in helping publish their propaganda. i absolutely love the idea of dealing in bullshit for a living. it's an overtly twisted yet highly admirable expression of civic virtue. besides, someone's gotta do it. and the connections...

but that's just the tip of the iceberg. i also have about five years QA, training and management experience on the service end from my previous position. and my civil career ties in nicely with the position from a design and production standpoint. you not only have to understand service, but also how an immensely complicated design-based production facility works. stretching back to the 90s, my resume consists of nothing but translatable skills for a multitude of career paths that my company offers.

a philosophy degree is more than just a cherry on top of all of that real world experience. years of rigorous, formal exposure to world history, intellectual history, ethics, logic and just about the most tedious reading and writing you can do at an undergraduate level has given me an even broader set of skills to build on. i am an excellent communicator. you wouldn't believe how much value there is in just having a way with words. people often say how valuable it is to be good with numbers, and they are right. but that's just part of it. we still have to be able to talk to each other, because that's how things get done.

and then you have the "rounding out" at the more base level that pursuing a philosophy degree can bring about. having executives who know about the world, its history, its problems - especially problems with respect to ethics - generally leads to better leadership, and by that i mean better decision making for the sake of the whole. seeing the world in broader terms can lead to better leadership. being able to analyze arguments from all sides can lead to better leadership. understanding people can lead to better leadership. a philosophy degree is certainly not the only path to nurturing better leadership skills, but it can certainly provide a path for those it attracts.

and all of this is before professional school, which is definitely on the table from my impression. the faculty in my department also have my back. i have a lot of people behind me right now, and a lot to decide on, and even more going on than i'll care to prattle on about. things are good, and i believe they're about to get even better. and i couldn't have gotten here without college.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
    #23624479 - 09/08/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I love my job and would not change, if going back in time i would study philosophy at university.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Aspirin]
    #23624636 - 09/08/16 03:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would have not lost my cookies and stayed on my mess and finished my degree or switched it over. I may not be the same person I am today having learned a lot, but I might be potentially more stable and happier, who knows.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: 404]
    #23624639 - 09/08/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Or you'd be in massive debt working the same job you have now, just with no finger nails because you bite them so much fretting over paying your loans.

Also. Aids.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: vandago]
    #23624643 - 09/08/16 03:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Possibly. Except for the AIDS part :whoa:


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
    #23624684 - 09/08/16 04:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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it's basically working with elected officials in helping publish their propaganda. i absolutely love the idea of dealing in bullshit for a living. it's an overtly twisted yet highly admirable expression of civic virtue. besides, someone's gotta do it. and the connections...



Man that's pretty fucking far out. You're basically working for 'the man'. The main cunts that make this world as shit as it is. I know the feeling cause so am I - my clients are some of the biggest banks in the world.

Thing is, you seem to be able to laugh at the bittersweet irony of it. I wish I could do that. ATM I just wanna get as far away from the heart of the beast as possible. It basically goes against EVERYTHING I stand for. Pays well though, I'll give it that.


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and then you have the "rounding out" at the more base level that pursuing a philosophy degree can bring about. having executives who know about the world, its history, its problems - especially problems with respect to ethics - generally leads to better leadership, and by that i mean better decision making for the sake of the whole. seeing the world in broader terms can lead to better leadership. being able to analyze arguments from all sides can lead to better leadership. understanding people can lead to better leadership. a philosophy degree is certainly not the only path to nurturing better leadership skills, but it can certainly provide a path for those it attracts.



Yeah I hear that man. I can see how it could come up useful in that regard. Thanks for taking the time to write that man, it explains a lot. Philosophy has always been a hobby for me, rather than something I could ever imagine fitting into the system. But I see how it could work now.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23624765 - 09/08/16 05:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would study the same but I would have taken more time to enjoy being a student and definitely go for a study delay.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
    #23625226 - 09/08/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i absolutely love the idea of dealing in bullshit for a living. it's an overtly twisted yet highly admirable expression of civic virtue.




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As for the topic, I would study basically the same thing.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23625260 - 09/08/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I took 2 courses: Greenhouse Tech and Horticulture Tech.

If I could go back in time I'd take organic chemistry.

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    #23625294 - 09/08/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Organic chemistry is hella boring. It's basically nothing but memorizing stuff.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23625384 - 09/08/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't regret my degree decision but I wish I could get degrees in multiple areas, maybe through multiple lives or something. In all renditions though I would study something not very lucrative (history, philosophy, literature, art etc, everything that shuns money)

If I was american I wouldn't however, school costs too much in the US to do it for anything except job training, unless your parents happen to be rich

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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23625713 - 09/08/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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My degree is in CS and the careers aren't exactly flying off the shelves



i Live near silicon valley, from what ive heard decent programmers pretty much trip and fall into a decent paying job.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23625739 - 09/08/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My friend is a bricklayer and his back is completely fucked. You may find with that kind of work that it is easier to accomplish a great deal when you're young. Then you better have for a backup plan.
I graduated college largely because I found after high school that everybody treated me like an idiot because I wasn't a college graduate. People will assume that. But I think in today's age that it is good to have more than one path or career choice in mind in case your first or second choice ends up going nowhere.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: SoloTrip]
    #23626309 - 09/08/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

if you get a CS degree and think you won't have to relocate often or go to school then you pretty much had no idea what you were going for


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i absolutely love the idea of dealing in bullshit for a living. it's an overtly twisted yet highly admirable expression of civic virtue.




:archiebunker:


As for the topic, I would study basically the same thing.




even though i would surely disagree with some of my clients' politics, the opportunity to participate in the promotion of our marketplace of ideas would be an honor to me. thankfully, you aren't required to understand or endorse that aspect of my career aspirations.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
    #23627208 - 09/08/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

When I originally went to university, I realized pretty early on that my heart wasn't in it at the time and I dropped out. I went back a couple years ago and am now studying computer science part-time and mostly enjoying it. No need for time travel.


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    #23627291 - 09/08/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm in community college right now, but all of my courses are set up to eventually transfer over to UNM. Reason being, I'm also getting a BA in philosophy :heart: Currently in logic right now, and I must say. It's quite entertaining, in other words its highly intellectually stimulating, and I'm surrounded by smart people. I feel smarter every time that class ends, and I know so because it happened today.


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    #23627322 - 09/08/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Organic chemistry is hella boring. It's basically nothing but memorizing stuff.



Nah. Its probably one of the only fields in chemistry where you can rely on intuition and not memorization. I have a degree in chemistry and dont regert a thing. If I had to do something else, I would likely go to a trade school. Maybe electrician/plumber type stuff.


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    #23627543 - 09/08/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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even though i would surely disagree with some of my clients' politics, the opportunity to participate in the promotion of our marketplace of ideas would be an honor to me. thankfully, you aren't required to understand or endorse that aspect of my career aspirations.




I was just disagreeing with your claim that it is a "highly admirable expression of civic virtue". Marketing and politics are about two of the least admirable professions to be involved in, and two wrongs don't make a right. 'Propaganda', 'dealing in bullshit', and 'highly admirable' do not go together.


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    #23627955 - 09/09/16 04:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

and that would be an extremely cool story. i'm glad you were able to share.


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    #23627977 - 09/09/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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'Propaganda', 'dealing in bullshit', and 'highly admirable' do not go together.



You make a very good point, which hits all the harder for the fact I'm 3/4 of the way of the utopian paradise of 'Island' by Aldous Huxley...


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    #23627989 - 09/09/16 04:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldnt change a thing. I have a degree in computer science and a high paying job but i only work 1 - 2 hours / day. The rest of my time at work is spent on the shroomery. Im even in line now to get a decent raise. If i worked really hard i could probably make double or triple of what i get now but im too lazy


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    #23628018 - 09/09/16 04:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have no college degree and hell, not even a HS diploma (was too boring and the principal and I didn't see eye to eye)
and I work in IT and make a pretty damn nice salary and also only do about 2-3 hours of actual work a day :highfive:

If I could change anything, I would have gotten serious about studying programming languages from a younger age. Would have been nice to be a senior programmer by now making that six figure plus income.

But I'm working on that. No regrets about never going to college. I learned way more on my own.
By the time most of my friends graduated college (like 10 yrs ago) I was already way ahead of them in job experience and was making more than some of them make now lol
Plus IT isn't going anywhere. Dat job security. It's also awesome how I just keep moving up the chain just due to experience.
They couldn't give a shit less what degrees I have or don't have. All they care about is do you have knowledge and can you perform. Yes and Yes.

But yeah if I could change anything I would have figured out what I really wanted to do, a little earlier.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Konyap]
    #23628031 - 09/09/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah but a IT career is just as dumb you set up everyones shit then leave lol they'll move to the cloud and won't even need an IT guy soon

the guy plugging phone lines back in with the A+ degree is caking it by now making like 100,000 a year to show up while I'm competing with foreigners for a indoor job




:rofl: You have no clue what you are talking about.
1. Everything is already on the cloud and IT professionals are more in demand than ever. IT is still needed and will always be as long as businesses use computers.
2. No one with just an A+ is making 100k.

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    #23628038 - 09/09/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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My degree is in CS and the careers aren't exactly flying off the shelves




Got any certs? Get some. Figure out what direction you want to go and start going.
Most IT doesn't really give a flying fuck about degrees, unfortunately. A CS degree doesn't mean jack shit at most places. It's all about being specialized.
Get your CCNA, Network+, MCSD.. or any of the other hundreds and the jobs will come much easier. Just depends what you want to do really.
Experience + Certs trumps college degree in this field. Get a cert or two and you should be able to get your foot in the door somewhere.

http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/best-it-certifications,1-1352.html


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    #23628098 - 09/09/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My friends who admit to being average programmers got jobs like straight outta school just by doing an internship. I'm surprised mouse is having so much trouble


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Shroomism]
    #23628103 - 09/09/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Many good points about the IT industry being made here. I got kicked out of school with 0 qualifications at 15, worked shitty, dirty jobs for 3 years, and at 18 decided to try and specialise in something, which was IT (I thought it suited my natural skillset well, and would pay more than mechanics). I got a mickey mouse certificate and lucked out in my first job, working for a massive pharma compant, which I only got cause I showed 'a lot more enthusiasm' when in the server rooms, than the other main candidate, who was a lot more qualified.

I was real hands on for a lot of years in repair and DC work, but since I progressed to the desk based, very specialised side, like you guys, I earn a fucking ton (~101k in USD Shroomism, with a single A level equivalent and 0.5 of a CCNA), and do 1-2 hours a work in an 8 hour day. It's criminal, but the people paying me are the biggest criminals, so fuck em.

Thing is, this:

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Dat job security.



I ain't feeling it right now. The opposite in fact. I'm expecting to walk into work any day in the next 3-9 months only to be told not to come in tomorrow. And I been with these guys ~9yrs. I moved every 2 before that. 0 loyalty when then can pay 4-5 Indians what they pay me. You must have felt that in your industry a little. Indians are so ill equipped to deal with high stress, fast diagnosis situations, but they are cheap, cheap, cheap, and that's what the powerful guys at the top, playing monopaly, see. Fuck customer service.

It must be starting there in the IT industry. Outsourcing to India. There's 1.5 billion people there clambering for jobs with western companies, and IT being so often remote these days, it's going there. If not in the US yet, then surely soon? I know Australia is already feeling it...


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    #23628105 - 09/09/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Many good points about the IT industry being made here. I got kicked out of school with 0 qualifications at 15, worked shitty, dirty jobs for 3 years, and at 18 decided to try and specialise in something, which was IT (I thought it suited my natural skillset well, and would pay more than mechanics). I got a mickey mouse certificate and lucked out in my first job, working for a massive pharma compant, which I only got cause I showed 'a lot more enthusiasm' when in the server rooms in the interview, than the other main candidate, who was a lot more qualified.

I was real hands on for a lot of years in repair, deskside support, server and D/C work, but since I progressed to the desk based, very specialised software (ProIV, which is ancient now) side, like you guys, I earn a fucking ton (~101k in USD Shroomism, with a single A level equivalent and 0.5 of a CCNA), and do 1-2 hours a work in an 8 hour day. It's criminal, but the people paying me are the biggest criminals, so fuck em.

Thing is, this:

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Shroomism said:
Dat job security.



I ain't feeling it right now. The opposite in fact. I'm expecting to walk into work any day in the next 3-9 months only to be told not to come in tomorrow. And I been with these guys ~9yrs. I moved every 2 before that. 0 loyalty when then can pay 4-5 Indians what they pay me. You must have felt that in your industry a little. Indians are so ill equipped to deal with high stress, fast diagnosis situations, but they are cheap, cheap, cheap, and that's what the powerful guys at the top, playing monopaly, see. Fuck customer service.

It must be starting there in the IT industry. Outsourcing to India. There's 1.5 billion people there clambering for jobs with western companies, and IT being so often remote these days, it's going there. If not in the US yet, then surely soon? I know Australia is already feeling it...


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My friends who admit to being average programmers got jobs like straight outta school just by doing an internship. I'm surprised mouse is having so much trouble



They do, big tech companies often use luring tactics to get them, then pay them next to fuck all. That's why they like em - they're wet behind the ears to the cuntfuckery of the corporations that employ so many, and they work hard cause they aint yet jaded by the theory X management style of 90% of big companies. A grad would get 1/4-1/3 of what I get for doing the same, or most likely a lot more work. They'd be slaves compared to me, because they haven't yet got the specialist knowledge that is worth so much moolah.


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    #23628120 - 09/09/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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My friends who admit to being average programmers got jobs like straight outta school just by doing an internship. I'm surprised mouse is having so much trouble




I think it LARGELY depends on the area you are in. I know for sure - Phoenix area / LA / Orange County / Silicon Valley / Dallas / Austin / and Nothern VA are hotspots for IT jobs.



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Dat job security.



I ain't feeling it right now. The opposite in fact. I'm expecting to walk into work any day in the next 3-9 months only to be told not to come in tomorrow. And I been with these guys ~9yrs. I moved every 2 before that. 0 loyalty when then can pay 4-5 Indians what they pay me. You must have felt that in your industry a little. Indians are so ill equipped to deal with high stress, fast diagnosis situations, but they are cheap, cheap, cheap, and that's what the powerful guys at the top, playing monopaly, see. Fuck customer service.

It must be starting there in the IT industry. Outsourcing to India. There's 1.5 billion people there clambering for jobs with western companies, and IT being so often remote these days, it's going there. If not in the US yet, then surely soon? I know Australia is already feeling it...





Haha man... the Indian invasion took place over 20 years ago here. That shit is in the past mostly.
The place I work is a loan/financial company but IT are the rockstars of the company. The CEO would never export our jobs to India, we are too valuable and he's all about those American jobs.
If I wasn't here there is 20 other places I could go. But I don't want to, I love where I work.

One place I used to work at,... was Corporate IT for a large fast food chain.. and they DID export all the tech support jobs to India.
But I hated that fucking job with a passion anyway and the writing was on the walls well before they announced it. They didn't care about the employees. I quit before they could give us their stupid 6 months notice.

Some places do outsource and lots of places already did YEARS ago, but some of them also realized outsourcing does not solve all the problems and oftentimes causes more problems. 
Around where I live at least, if I quit my job tomorrow I could go out and find another one within a week probably, for the same or better pay. I have recruiters hitting me up all the time.

Outsourcing to India shit was a fear from like 10 years ago, because it was prevalent as shit esp anything to do with Customer Service or Tech Support... which is the bottom of the barrel anyway. I hated doing that shit.
IT has come back into demand (FROM outsourcing) and there is more demand than ever for good people here. 
Many companies here REFUSE to outsource period. In some situations it's not even possible for the type of the work you have to do. And companies have learned the hard way, it's not always a good decision even if the labor is 3x cheaper.

We have some Indian guys in our IT dept, some asians.. but the majority are pureblooded Americans.
It's all about finding the right companies. Some companies don't give a fuck about their employees. Some companies would never in a million years outsource.
Good CEOs value good, loyal employees and treat their employees well. I had to quit a few jobs to discover that.

But yeah, from what I've seen... basically all the IT jobs that got outsourced.... already got outsourced like 10-15 years ago. They are coming back now with a vengeance after many learned the error of their ways.

That, plus there's no replacement for in-house people. Especially with what I do. My job can't be outsourced.
I can work remotely from home when I want basically... for some things... but I couldn't not show up to the office.. there's things you have to do internally.


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    #23628122 - 09/09/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would've just been up and in class early.  I acted like a bitch about 8am classes.  I slept through so much stuff that I would have otherwise been able to ace.  It sucks.  I went back and nailed everything several years later and am doing what I like.  So that's cool.  But if you're going to go, even on your parents' $, at least try to do well.


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    #23628129 - 09/09/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My job is pretty much 100% secure. The code i work with is every programmers nightmare. Its almost entirely undocumented spagetti. For someone new to get a hold of whats going on would take a lot of time. Its fascinating how cryptic php code can be if you really try.


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    #23628150 - 09/09/16 06:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Good CEOs value good, loyal employees and treat their employees well. I had to quit a few jobs to discover that.



Ah you lucked out there man. My last job was with one of the biggest now webserver and cloud providers. Top 3 company to work for in country in terms of employee satisfaction when I joined. I'm sure you'll know the name but don't wanna suy in public. They were a definite 'theory Y' company, unlike the 'theory X' in old corps (wiki).

They valued their people and always let them know it. Constant team spirit, days out, gifts, personalised T-shirts, a CEO that talked to every employee. Sounds like you got that kinda thing. My best friend is still there, I got 'honourably discharged' cause I stupidly layed out some prick at the xmas party.

Funny, the Indian thing happened in the public facing side of many industries here (IT massively of course) but joe public complained like fuck so they reversed it. Now it's all the internal shit, away from the public eye, but I know, like you saw, it's gonna go the same way in the end. They'll have to reverse it. The Indian people, as much as I loved them when visiting their country, just ain't cut out for the work.

I dunno, ProIV, and the specific software I support that runs in it, is very lucrative cause it's old and rare. Guys leaving my role and going to the banks directly have taken contracts on £4-700 a day. Fuck, COBOL experts can get twice that, there's so few of them. And there aint many that know what I know. But the corporate environment has come to trouble me a lot. When I move to Australia next year, I know I'll have to spend another year or so in it. But if the mining industry there were still booming as it was a couple of years back, I'd rather spend a year in a mine.

I'm coming to the point I'm months from spendin 1/2 my working life on my feet and 1/2 at a desk. I just want away from the desk. I'm here most hours in a day. Don't you ever feel that?


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and that would be an extremely cool story. i'm glad you were able to share.




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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23628475 - 09/09/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Working at a desk never really bothered me that much. I'd rather be doing that installing satellite dishes or whatever on 140 degree roofs.
In a mine man? Don't those guys usually come down with crazy lung problems and shit.
Maybe get an adjustable desk so you can stand and sit as you like?


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    #23628537 - 09/09/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If I could turn back time, I would not have gone to college at all.


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    #23628601 - 09/09/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Working at a desk never really bothered me that much. I'd rather be doing that installing satellite dishes or whatever on 140 degree roofs.
In a mine man? Don't those guys usually come down with crazy lung problems and shit.
Maybe get an adjustable desk so you can stand and sit as you like?



Meh, I've smoked for 18 years, I doubt my lungs are gonna last much past their 60th year anyway. It's great money, and away from the city, with the kinda guys I know I'd enjoy working with (working in a skyscraper in London I really don't get on with any of the daytime/office/normal people - it's the middle of the night secutory guards and building maintenance guys that are my kin). Seriously man, in all but skillset, I'm like a square peg in a round hole in this field.

And if I want the big contractor wages in Aus for a year to build up some funds to retire to farm life my 35, it's gonna get worse before it gets better. Ima have to wear a suit, and do 9-5, and interact frequently with higher ups who are just essentially non-public facing politcians (my most disliked group of peole on the planet).

I know I soound like I'm having a moan, I'm not, I got mad privieges working in this field. But having spent 14 years digging myself into it, I'm gonna have to spend a few digging out. As the moning industry in Aus has shut down due to china's growth slowing by 2.5% or some shit. I dunno, I might have to look into other high risk, high wage options when I'm there in Dec.

Even working remotely/from home sounds like it could be alright, but only for so more years before I need an active job to me fit. I cannot be spending 10+ hours a day on my ass when I hit 40.

As for progressive ways of thinking/working, like the desks you mention (I know, great idea), that's the scandanavians who think like that. I'm in England, where they just passed the psychoactive substances bill. Probably the only country heading down the shitter quicker than America, due to our resistance to progress.

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    #23632139 - 09/10/16 11:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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and that would be an extremely cool story. i'm glad you were able to share.




Lol, my argument got 'cool story bro'd'.

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i figured you were just looking to take a shot at me rather than seeking an apologia for my (possible) career path, so i kept it at that i think it's really special that you hold those beliefs. i deeply apologize that my response lacked the novelty you were seeking. next time you go out of your way to be a pretentious asshole to me, i'll work harder to put you in your place with more panache.


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    #23632247 - 09/10/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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And if so, what?




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    #23632254 - 09/10/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I would study etymology (insect science) if I could start over .


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    #23632343 - 09/10/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think that's entomology, etymology is word origins.


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    #23632547 - 09/10/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'd go for marine biology like I always talked about as a kid.

I went to one of the best art schools in the country but a BFA in painting and printmaking doesn't get you many jobs. I've actually taken it off my resume because people think "Artist. He's obviously a sissy that could never hack it in the construction business". Now it just says Bachelors Degree.


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    #23632950 - 09/10/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Unlike some, if I could go back in time I would have went to college  - for anything - and not fucked off. But I don't know for what then or now. A big reason (excuse) I used back in the day. Not like I haven't had valuable experience anyway (just not so much on the pay-grade side). I mean I worked on a farm for a decade doing shit work for shit pay. Thought I was going to stay there forever. Following, was a bad-ass at commissioned sales. Then contracted for an international financial firm in technical support. (they wanted to hire me but I fucked it up with calling in hungover so much and using JWH compounds at work.)

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    #23632967 - 09/10/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Right thanks! I mixed em up.

Bug science all the way, mycology as a second choice .


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    #23632986 - 09/10/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'd pay a LOT more attention in French class.


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    #23633060 - 09/10/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What's the difference between an entomologist and etymologist?


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    #23633641 - 09/10/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Entomologists have career opportunities


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
    #23634181 - 09/10/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i figured you were just looking to take a shot at me rather than seeking an apologia for my (possible) career path, so i kept it at that i think it's really special that you hold those beliefs.




I think it's more likely you don't have an apologia. If you do indeed have a legitimate reason that you think dealing in what you yourself describe as 'propaganda' and 'bullshit' is 'highly admirable', I would love to hear it.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
    #23634211 - 09/10/16 10:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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the career path that sounds the most interesting to me is political marketing. it's basically working with elected officials in helping publish their propaganda. i absolutely love the idea of dealing in bullshit for a living. it's an overtly twisted yet highly admirable expression of civic virtue. besides, someone's gotta do it. and the connections...




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    #23635090 - 09/11/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Etymologists know the difference.


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    #23635129 - 09/11/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

for starters, i've been posting on this board for almost six years now. i would like to think of myself as a grounded person of good character whose online presence tends to consistently show that. i try to make thoughtful contributions to discussions; i try to give the best advice i can give, especially to the younger posters;  i don't bully; and i don't promote irresponsible behavior. the fact that you are so quick to draw the conclusion that i'm an awful person from what seems like reading two sentences in a post i make about a possible career path seems to be more about who you are than who i am.

but with that said, you guys should learn how to identify sarcasm. i was being facetious with the part about "dealing in bullshit". i'm pretty sure i said this in an earlier post, but i'll say it again: even if i disagree with some of the candidates' politics, providing services that help them run for office - in my own limited way - would be an expression of civic virtue because it would be in service to the ideal of democracy existing as a marketplace of ideas, primarily through the spread of propaganda during election cycles. if you took offense to the way i used the term 'propaganda', i was using it in the neutral sense rather than the cynical sense. democracy runs on rhetoric, most of which is spread through propaganda.

it's not that i am blind to the problems with our politics. i mean, if i was working for a PAC or super-PAC, your criticism might be warranted. but to bring things back into focus here, i'm in commercial printing. :lol: my company has an entire department devoted to political marketing and it seems like a really interesting line of work.

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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
    #23635382 - 09/11/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I wasn't saying you were a terrible person. I was just saying that in my mind working in politics or marketing or both together is not 'highly admirable'. A politician could be highly admirable if they were to actually get something legitimate accomplished.


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    #23635601 - 09/11/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it seems justifiable to be upset over the current state of affairs in american politics. it also seems justifiable to think that we have some very bad actors running the show, especially when it comes to the people who own our policy makers. but as long as we need policies, we need policy makers and a system to elect, remove and replace those policy makers. criticizing me for simply wishing to play a very small role in how that system behaves is misdirected anger.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
    #23635827 - 09/11/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not angry and I'm not criticizing you. I'm criticizing your use of the term "highly admirable". It's like calling people heroes for coming out as gay or other not actually heroic things.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23635916 - 09/11/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Go BACK to school?  No thanks  :lmafo:

I graduated college, got a fancy biology degree, and now I only use it to grow.  Glad I did it now that it's all said and done, but I do often wonder if I could have made it just as far without the degree and all the associated debt.

In mho college is not worth what it costs these days, and much of what you learn you will never use.  But what you will use goes far beyond the knowledge you will gain directly from your textbooks. The college experience  itself may be worth more than all the fancy books you read while attending. That said, if your someone considering going to school, make sure its gonna be worth it, I recommend finding a school that will challenge you to work hard, better yourself, and think bigger.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Sky Walker] * 1
    #23636007 - 09/11/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I studied agricultural sci/business, I think I lucked out with it. I'm happy and I'm using it to make my living 2 years after graduating. I cant think of any other degree id rather have. Most of the knowledge I got from it has been really useful. All of it is on the internet, but most of it I wouldn't have known it existed if it weren't for my education.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: trees]
    #23636184 - 09/11/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Trees, what is it that you do now a days, if you don't mind me asking?

I am curious because that sounds like a very useful degree and I'm personally very interested in permaculture.  I worked on some farms throughout college and am still very interest is possibly pursuing a career in some form of permaculture.

To be 100% honest, the only thing I have every caught myself saying that I wished I had studied in school is business. Would have helped me a ton in starting my business.  But hell, it's like you said, its all online anyways, so I've just been learning as I go.


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    #23636196 - 09/11/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not angry and I'm not criticizing you. I'm criticizing your use of the term "highly admirable". It's like calling people heroes for coming out as gay or other not actually heroic things.




so it's completely unacceptable for me to state that i think the profession i'm considering moving into is respectable and give my reasons why i hold such a belief.

you should probably just not read my posts if they bother you that much.


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    #23636232 - 09/11/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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for starters, i've been posting on this board for almost six years now. i would like to think of myself as a grounded person of good character whose online presence tends to consistently show that. i try to make thoughtful contributions to discussions; i try to give the best advice i can give, especially to the younger posters;  i don't bully; and i don't promote irresponsible behavior. the fact that you are so quick to draw the conclusion that i'm an awful person from what seems like reading two sentences in a post i make about a possible career path seems to be more about who you are than who i am.




Your reputation and what you say, mean a lot less after you express a desire and admiration for propaganda / "dealing in bullshit"

Backtrack and point your questionable fingers all you like


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    #23636369 - 09/11/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

you clearly stopped reading after that paragraph.


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    #23636377 - 09/11/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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so it's completely unacceptable for me to state that i think the profession i'm considering moving into is respectable and give my reasons why i hold such a belief.

you should probably just not read my posts if they bother you that much.




You can state whatever you want. Is it completely unacceptable for me to respond to what you state?

You should probably not read my posts if you can't just read what they actually say and refrain from armchair psychologizing.


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    #23636391 - 09/11/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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you clearly stopped reading after that paragraph.




Unfortunately I did not, hence the latter part of my statement.


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    #23636413 - 09/11/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

keep moving those goal posts clock. you'll win someday!

:cheersyoufuck:

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you clearly stopped reading after that paragraph.




Unfortunately I did not, hence the latter part of my statement.




then your reading comprehension sucks. in no way was i "backtracking" or "pointing fingers" in providing you a clarification of what i said.


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    #23636443 - 09/11/16 05:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Reading your posts makes me feel sleezy, I think I'll skip the next one


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    #23636481 - 09/11/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:lolwut:

You don't know what moving the goal posts means. For someone who's getting a philosophy degree, you're not very good at debating.


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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: trees]
    #23636930 - 09/11/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Trees, that sounds really great.  I'm also very interest in aquaponics and sustainability in general.  Your right, honestly permaculture will probably be more of a home hobby, but I have considered permaculture design, etc. I know where your coming from though, gotta make that money lol.  Right now I have a solar company with some good friends.  It's extremely profitable, but not super fun.  It's basically glorified construction, but at least its headed in the right direction, sustainability speaking.  Plus I work with some of my best friends :grin: 

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