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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#23625384 - 09/08/16 10:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't regret my degree decision but I wish I could get degrees in multiple areas, maybe through multiple lives or something. In all renditions though I would study something not very lucrative (history, philosophy, literature, art etc, everything that shuns money)
If I was american I wouldn't however, school costs too much in the US to do it for anything except job training, unless your parents happen to be rich
too bad imo but what do I know
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: ModestMouse]
#23625713 - 09/08/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: My degree is in CS and the careers aren't exactly flying off the shelves
i Live near silicon valley, from what ive heard decent programmers pretty much trip and fall into a decent paying job.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: ModestMouse]
#23625739 - 09/08/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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My friend is a bricklayer and his back is completely fucked. You may find with that kind of work that it is easier to accomplish a great deal when you're young. Then you better have for a backup plan. I graduated college largely because I found after high school that everybody treated me like an idiot because I wasn't a college graduate. People will assume that. But I think in today's age that it is good to have more than one path or career choice in mind in case your first or second choice ends up going nowhere.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: SoloTrip]
#23626309 - 09/08/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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if you get a CS degree and think you won't have to relocate often or go to school then you pretty much had no idea what you were going for
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23627107 - 09/08/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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millzy said: i absolutely love the idea of dealing in bullshit for a living. it's an overtly twisted yet highly admirable expression of civic virtue.

As for the topic, I would study basically the same thing.
even though i would surely disagree with some of my clients' politics, the opportunity to participate in the promotion of our marketplace of ideas would be an honor to me. thankfully, you aren't required to understand or endorse that aspect of my career aspirations.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
#23627208 - 09/08/16 08:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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When I originally went to university, I realized pretty early on that my heart wasn't in it at the time and I dropped out. I went back a couple years ago and am now studying computer science part-time and mostly enjoying it. No need for time travel.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
#23627291 - 09/08/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm in community college right now, but all of my courses are set up to eventually transfer over to UNM. Reason being, I'm also getting a BA in philosophy Currently in logic right now, and I must say. It's quite entertaining, in other words its highly intellectually stimulating, and I'm surrounded by smart people. I feel smarter every time that class ends, and I know so because it happened today.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23627322 - 09/08/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: Organic chemistry is hella boring. It's basically nothing but memorizing stuff.
Nah. Its probably one of the only fields in chemistry where you can rely on intuition and not memorization. I have a degree in chemistry and dont regert a thing. If I had to do something else, I would likely go to a trade school. Maybe electrician/plumber type stuff.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy] 1
#23627543 - 09/08/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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millzy said: even though i would surely disagree with some of my clients' politics, the opportunity to participate in the promotion of our marketplace of ideas would be an honor to me. thankfully, you aren't required to understand or endorse that aspect of my career aspirations.
I was just disagreeing with your claim that it is a "highly admirable expression of civic virtue". Marketing and politics are about two of the least admirable professions to be involved in, and two wrongs don't make a right. 'Propaganda', 'dealing in bullshit', and 'highly admirable' do not go together.
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#23627955 - 09/09/16 04:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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and that would be an extremely cool story. i'm glad you were able to share.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23627977 - 09/09/16 04:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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clock_of_omens said: 'Propaganda', 'dealing in bullshit', and 'highly admirable' do not go together.
You make a very good point, which hits all the harder for the fact I'm 3/4 of the way of the utopian paradise of 'Island' by Aldous Huxley...
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: millzy]
#23627989 - 09/09/16 04:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldnt change a thing. I have a degree in computer science and a high paying job but i only work 1 - 2 hours / day. The rest of my time at work is spent on the shroomery. Im even in line now to get a decent raise. If i worked really hard i could probably make double or triple of what i get now but im too lazy
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin] 1
#23628018 - 09/09/16 04:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have no college degree and hell, not even a HS diploma (was too boring and the principal and I didn't see eye to eye) and I work in IT and make a pretty damn nice salary and also only do about 2-3 hours of actual work a day
If I could change anything, I would have gotten serious about studying programming languages from a younger age. Would have been nice to be a senior programmer by now making that six figure plus income.
But I'm working on that. No regrets about never going to college. I learned way more on my own. By the time most of my friends graduated college (like 10 yrs ago) I was already way ahead of them in job experience and was making more than some of them make now lol Plus IT isn't going anywhere. Dat job security. It's also awesome how I just keep moving up the chain just due to experience. They couldn't give a shit less what degrees I have or don't have. All they care about is do you have knowledge and can you perform. Yes and Yes.
But yeah if I could change anything I would have figured out what I really wanted to do, a little earlier.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Konyap]
#23628031 - 09/09/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Konyap said: yeah but a IT career is just as dumb you set up everyones shit then leave lol they'll move to the cloud and won't even need an IT guy soon
the guy plugging phone lines back in with the A+ degree is caking it by now making like 100,000 a year to show up while I'm competing with foreigners for a indoor job
You have no clue what you are talking about. 1. Everything is already on the cloud and IT professionals are more in demand than ever. IT is still needed and will always be as long as businesses use computers. 2. No one with just an A+ is making 100k.
Also "IT" encompasses a EXTREMELY WIDE variety of different jobs and roles.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: ModestMouse] 1
#23628038 - 09/09/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ModestMouse said: My degree is in CS and the careers aren't exactly flying off the shelves
Got any certs? Get some. Figure out what direction you want to go and start going. Most IT doesn't really give a flying fuck about degrees, unfortunately. A CS degree doesn't mean jack shit at most places. It's all about being specialized. Get your CCNA, Network+, MCSD.. or any of the other hundreds and the jobs will come much easier. Just depends what you want to do really. Experience + Certs trumps college degree in this field. Get a cert or two and you should be able to get your foot in the door somewhere.
http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/best-it-certifications,1-1352.html
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Shroomism]
#23628098 - 09/09/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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My friends who admit to being average programmers got jobs like straight outta school just by doing an internship. I'm surprised mouse is having so much trouble
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Shroomism]
#23628103 - 09/09/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Many good points about the IT industry being made here. I got kicked out of school with 0 qualifications at 15, worked shitty, dirty jobs for 3 years, and at 18 decided to try and specialise in something, which was IT (I thought it suited my natural skillset well, and would pay more than mechanics). I got a mickey mouse certificate and lucked out in my first job, working for a massive pharma compant, which I only got cause I showed 'a lot more enthusiasm' when in the server rooms, than the other main candidate, who was a lot more qualified.
I was real hands on for a lot of years in repair and DC work, but since I progressed to the desk based, very specialised side, like you guys, I earn a fucking ton (~101k in USD Shroomism, with a single A level equivalent and 0.5 of a CCNA), and do 1-2 hours a work in an 8 hour day. It's criminal, but the people paying me are the biggest criminals, so fuck em.
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I ain't feeling it right now. The opposite in fact. I'm expecting to walk into work any day in the next 3-9 months only to be told not to come in tomorrow. And I been with these guys ~9yrs. I moved every 2 before that. 0 loyalty when then can pay 4-5 Indians what they pay me. You must have felt that in your industry a little. Indians are so ill equipped to deal with high stress, fast diagnosis situations, but they are cheap, cheap, cheap, and that's what the powerful guys at the top, playing monopaly, see. Fuck customer service.
It must be starting there in the IT industry. Outsourcing to India. There's 1.5 billion people there clambering for jobs with western companies, and IT being so often remote these days, it's going there. If not in the US yet, then surely soon? I know Australia is already feeling it...
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23628105 - 09/09/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Many good points about the IT industry being made here. I got kicked out of school with 0 qualifications at 15, worked shitty, dirty jobs for 3 years, and at 18 decided to try and specialise in something, which was IT (I thought it suited my natural skillset well, and would pay more than mechanics). I got a mickey mouse certificate and lucked out in my first job, working for a massive pharma compant, which I only got cause I showed 'a lot more enthusiasm' when in the server rooms in the interview, than the other main candidate, who was a lot more qualified.
I was real hands on for a lot of years in repair, deskside support, server and D/C work, but since I progressed to the desk based, very specialised software (ProIV, which is ancient now) side, like you guys, I earn a fucking ton (~101k in USD Shroomism, with a single A level equivalent and 0.5 of a CCNA), and do 1-2 hours a work in an 8 hour day. It's criminal, but the people paying me are the biggest criminals, so fuck em.
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Shroomism said: Dat job security.
I ain't feeling it right now. The opposite in fact. I'm expecting to walk into work any day in the next 3-9 months only to be told not to come in tomorrow. And I been with these guys ~9yrs. I moved every 2 before that. 0 loyalty when then can pay 4-5 Indians what they pay me. You must have felt that in your industry a little. Indians are so ill equipped to deal with high stress, fast diagnosis situations, but they are cheap, cheap, cheap, and that's what the powerful guys at the top, playing monopaly, see. Fuck customer service.
It must be starting there in the IT industry. Outsourcing to India. There's 1.5 billion people there clambering for jobs with western companies, and IT being so often remote these days, it's going there. If not in the US yet, then surely soon? I know Australia is already feeling it...
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: My friends who admit to being average programmers got jobs like straight outta school just by doing an internship. I'm surprised mouse is having so much trouble
They do, big tech companies often use luring tactics to get them, then pay them next to fuck all. That's why they like em - they're wet behind the ears to the cuntfuckery of the corporations that employ so many, and they work hard cause they aint yet jaded by the theory X management style of 90% of big companies. A grad would get 1/4-1/3 of what I get for doing the same, or most likely a lot more work. They'd be slaves compared to me, because they haven't yet got the specialist knowledge that is worth so much moolah.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
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Malcolm_Xtasy said: My friends who admit to being average programmers got jobs like straight outta school just by doing an internship. I'm surprised mouse is having so much trouble
I think it LARGELY depends on the area you are in. I know for sure - Phoenix area / LA / Orange County / Silicon Valley / Dallas / Austin / and Nothern VA are hotspots for IT jobs.
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Shroomism said: Dat job security.
I ain't feeling it right now. The opposite in fact. I'm expecting to walk into work any day in the next 3-9 months only to be told not to come in tomorrow. And I been with these guys ~9yrs. I moved every 2 before that. 0 loyalty when then can pay 4-5 Indians what they pay me. You must have felt that in your industry a little. Indians are so ill equipped to deal with high stress, fast diagnosis situations, but they are cheap, cheap, cheap, and that's what the powerful guys at the top, playing monopaly, see. Fuck customer service.
It must be starting there in the IT industry. Outsourcing to India. There's 1.5 billion people there clambering for jobs with western companies, and IT being so often remote these days, it's going there. If not in the US yet, then surely soon? I know Australia is already feeling it...
Haha man... the Indian invasion took place over 20 years ago here. That shit is in the past mostly. The place I work is a loan/financial company but IT are the rockstars of the company. The CEO would never export our jobs to India, we are too valuable and he's all about those American jobs. If I wasn't here there is 20 other places I could go. But I don't want to, I love where I work.
One place I used to work at,... was Corporate IT for a large fast food chain.. and they DID export all the tech support jobs to India. But I hated that fucking job with a passion anyway and the writing was on the walls well before they announced it. They didn't care about the employees. I quit before they could give us their stupid 6 months notice.
Some places do outsource and lots of places already did YEARS ago, but some of them also realized outsourcing does not solve all the problems and oftentimes causes more problems. Around where I live at least, if I quit my job tomorrow I could go out and find another one within a week probably, for the same or better pay. I have recruiters hitting me up all the time.
Outsourcing to India shit was a fear from like 10 years ago, because it was prevalent as shit esp anything to do with Customer Service or Tech Support... which is the bottom of the barrel anyway. I hated doing that shit. IT has come back into demand (FROM outsourcing) and there is more demand than ever for good people here. Many companies here REFUSE to outsource period. In some situations it's not even possible for the type of the work you have to do. And companies have learned the hard way, it's not always a good decision even if the labor is 3x cheaper.
We have some Indian guys in our IT dept, some asians.. but the majority are pureblooded Americans. It's all about finding the right companies. Some companies don't give a fuck about their employees. Some companies would never in a million years outsource. Good CEOs value good, loyal employees and treat their employees well. I had to quit a few jobs to discover that.
But yeah, from what I've seen... basically all the IT jobs that got outsourced.... already got outsourced like 10-15 years ago. They are coming back now with a vengeance after many learned the error of their ways.
That, plus there's no replacement for in-house people. Especially with what I do. My job can't be outsourced. I can work remotely from home when I want basically... for some things... but I couldn't not show up to the office.. there's things you have to do internally.
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Re: If you could go back in time, would you study something different in college? [Re: Shroomism]
#23628122 - 09/09/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would've just been up and in class early. I acted like a bitch about 8am classes. I slept through so much stuff that I would have otherwise been able to ace. It sucks. I went back and nailed everything several years later and am doing what I like. So that's cool. But if you're going to go, even on your parents' $, at least try to do well.
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