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Mushierage
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Inocuole]
#23618837 - 09/06/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: ... Surface area is really not a factor in BE bro. I'd go as far as to say it's one of the least important factors.
In regard to BE no, it isn't. I agree with you there.
But in regard to the amount of fruit you get in a given time, I believe it does make a difference. I never once said doubling surface area will increase BE. But it will decrease the time it take to get your fruits, by essentially reducing flushes and increasing yield per flush.
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Let go. Breathe. It's alright.
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spacechildo said: checkout pastywhytes posts on bottles and BE if you wanna learn something or keep guessing if that's what you prefer 
I don't do bottles or cakes, nor do I want to.
It isn't a guess, dude. It's mathematics. Also, stop being a dick to me for no God damned reason.
if you havent tried growing in bottles but tried to calculate your way to what mushrooms want and cant fathom why I comment on it when its wrong I just dont know what to say 
its the no 1 reason why so many engineers etc fails at this, they try to build space stations and make computer programs based off what they think mushies wants.. it just doesnt work that way.
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Inocuole]
#23618848 - 09/06/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let go. Breathe. It's alright.
Correlation=/=causation
Duly noted. Thanks.
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: spore-ty]
#23618878 - 09/06/16 04:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is there an optimal ratio for getting the most amount of mushrooms, relative to spawn?
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Stargate]
#23618905 - 09/06/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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impossible to tell, the best thing you can do for MAX return is having clean spawn. so start on agar. then you can use a more shallow sub, 2-3", and a mini mono 20-30 qt. start with a 1:2 or 1:3 ratio, you just gotta try it and switch it up and see what you like best.
But a thicker sub would be easier to deal with, it'd have more water stored able to evaporate without drying out.
but when you start g2g you wont feel so attached to every qt jar anymore, you'll have tons and just start pouring them in, it do make for pretty flushes!
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I'd say the second most important factor in BE(behind genetics), moreso than surface area, the grain used, or anything else, is the conditions on the substrate surface. Good conditions will make any substrate dish out the mushrooms it's got under it's belt. This is why bottles do so well, the improved microclimate is definitely a factor. The small surface area could be interpreted as less than optimal, but due to active transport all that grain/sub down there still acts as a reservoir no matter where the mushrooms are growing from. In that sense they're even less maintenance than a bulk sub.
Don't get me wrong I mostly do tubs and whatnot, but I do it that way because that's how I like doing it, not necessarily because it's the hands-down most efficient way.
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Inocuole]
#23618935 - 09/06/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, my process is spores > Agar > LI > spawn > slurry > many spawn jars/bags > slurry > substrate.
I find that its the fastest way for me to colonize large amounts, but even still, if I could get more mushrooms for my spawn, I would happily do so.
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Stargate]
#23618947 - 09/06/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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find a good culture and maybe skip many of those needless contam vectors?
and as inoc said, all these simple things are what matters, good conditions,clean spawn,field capasity substrate. there's plenty to gain by fiddling those to perfection!
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I've got good conditions ,clean spawn, and field capacity substrate down well. No problems with those.
I really don't see my system as too bad. After the spores go to agar, I get a clean culture, and I make agar culture slants. From there, I don't need the spores anymore. My setup has improved a lot as well. I use a 2'x4' laminar flow hood, I've got a closed loop glove box that I use as a SAB when I need to, I'm good at sterile procedure, and my contam rate really isn't all that bad. Its quite low.
I'm just trying to perfect my ratio, if possible.
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I've always used the bare minimum, like 4 or 5 mycological pints, but I've realized it's a bad idea and most likely contributes to my shitty yields. This next run I'm using 5 mycological quarts per mono and I expect a much better yield. Excluding all other factors, that is.
From what I've read 5 or 6 quarts is normally a good ratio using damion 50/50's tek, but I'm sure there's a point of diminishing return, like 8 or so. Who knows?
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Kenetic]
#23619015 - 09/06/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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kenetic said: I've always used the bare minimum, like 4 or 5 mycological pints, but I've realized it's a bad idea and most likely contributes to my shitty yields. This next run I'm using 5 mycological quarts per mono and I expect a much better yield. Excluding all other factors, that is.
From what I've read 5 or 6 quarts is normally a good ratio using damion 50/50's tek, but I'm sure there's a point of diminishing return, like 8 or so. Who knows?
I found my notes. Thats actually how much I used, and the tek I used on the grow from my signature. Those ones went 0.5 lb dry per tub.
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Inocuole
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Kenetic]
#23619021 - 09/06/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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kenetic said: From what I've read 5 or 6 quarts is normally a good ratio using damion 50/50's damion5050's tek,
There ya go. I will give you some points for not saying "damion's 50/50 tek" though.
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Stargate]
#23619026 - 09/06/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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which much? former or latter
and good catch inocuole I thought I fucked that one up lol
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Inocuole]
#23619029 - 09/06/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: I'd say the second most important factor in BE(behind genetics), moreso than surface area, the grain used, or anything else, is the conditions on the substrate surface. Good conditions will make any substrate dish out the mushrooms it's got under it's belt. This is why bottles do so well, the improved microclimate is definitely a factor. The small surface area could be interpreted as less than optimal, but due to active transport all that grain/sub down there still acts as a reservoir no matter where the mushrooms are growing from. In that sense they're even less maintenance than a bulk sub.
Don't get me wrong I mostly do tubs and whatnot, but I do it that way because that's how I like doing it, not necessarily because it's the hands-down most efficient way.
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: cronicr]
#23619035 - 09/06/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually, clean spawn ties with genetics for 1st, but microclimate is still #2, I'd say.
Bad genetics can fuck up clean spawn and dirty spawn can fuck up good genetics in equal shares.
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Inocuole]
#23619043 - 09/06/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm in agreement with space and inoc here...surface area may get ya more fruits faster but that's not the point.
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: cronicr]
#23619057 - 09/06/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: surface area may get ya more fruits faster but that's not the point.
Does it though?
I'd think technically bottle subs would be faster since there's no spawning. And if the BE is just as good, where's this saved time? I do spawn to bottles sometimes so yeah in my case it would probably take a bit longer, but, I don't think that's standard.
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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Inocuole]
#23619063 - 09/06/16 05:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean to say a tub will be spent in a couple flushes...a bottle or cake might not.
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