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Grain = Yield?
    #23618100 - 09/06/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm trying to figure out how much grain usually yields how much mushrooms by weight. Has anyone recorded results? Like, if I use 4Q of grain vs 2Q, will I get double the mushrooms, or no? I do monotubs.


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Stargate]
    #23618124 - 09/06/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Aim for 1-2 oz dry from one "mycology" quart of spawn. When using 1:1-1:4 spawn to sub ratios


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23618167 - 09/06/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's awesome.

A mycology quart. That clears up a lot of confusion I had aswell.

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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Moabfighter]
    #23618172 - 09/06/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You know like 2/3-3/4 full for shaking room


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23618631 - 09/06/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So basically youre trying to measure your BE.  Or Biological Efficiency.  How much weight of substrate used in comparison to the weight of mushrooms you get.  Get the same weight in mushrooms as your sub, that's considered 100% biological efficiency. 

I think honestly the key here is surface area.  The more surface area there is, the better chance that area is going to reproduce mushrooms.  The amount of spawn you use will definitely be the determining factor of how many flushes occur, but the energy used by breaking down the nutrients in the grain are governed and downright restricted by how much surface area is exposed to fresh air and light.


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23618685 - 09/06/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I use 66Q monotubs with a 4" sub.

My average yield per tub in the past, was 8 oz dry, over 2 flushes.

Should I aim for 5 mycology quarts per tub?

Will I have higher BE, if I use more spawn?


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Stargate]
    #23618702 - 09/06/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, I use 66Q monotubs with a 4" sub.

My average yield per tub in the past, was 8 oz dry, over 2 flushes.

Should I aim for 5 mycology quarts per tub?

Will I have higher BE, if I use more spawn?






How much spawn did you have for this?


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Stargate]
    #23618708 - 09/06/16 03:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Tell bottle growers how important surface area is. Many bottle grows get as much as 200% BE. I haven't tried them myself, but try looking up muda's bottle tek or pasty's straw tek and you'll see how little surface area can matter.


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: dankington]
    #23618723 - 09/06/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tell bottle growers how important surface area is. Many bottle grows get as much as 200% BE. I haven't tried them myself, but try looking up muda's bottle tek or pasty's straw tek and you'll see how little surface area can matter.



They achieve this BE over a series of flushes dank.  Same with cakes, achieved over a series of several flushes. 


But we aren't talking about cake and bottles. We're talking about bulk substrates. Surface area is important when you're talking about the amount of mushrooms per flush.  The energy in the grain gets used up faster because of the increased surface area and therefore, makes more mush mush.


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Mushierage] * 1
    #23618747 - 09/06/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No, they get pretty fuckin amazing 1st flushes. surface area isnt everything.

to answer OP; if you want maximum return on each qt jar of grain you should do several tubs with lower ratios.
you'll get more return from 2 tubs with 2qts spawn in each than 1 tub with all 4 jars in.

5mycoqt's is perfect for a 66qt tub and1brick coir 2qts verm (damions bucket tek)


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23618766 - 09/06/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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you'll get more return from 2 tubs with 2qts spawn in each than 1 tub with all 4 jars in.





*cough* Increased surface area by a factor of 2 *cough*


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23618786 - 09/06/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I use 66Q monotubs with a 4" sub.

My average yield per tub in the past, was 8 oz dry, over 2 flushes.

Should I aim for 5 mycology quarts per tub?

Will I have higher BE, if I use more spawn?
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Stargate said:
Well, I use 66Q monotubs with a 4" sub.

My average yield per tub in the past, was 8 oz dry, over 2 flushes.

Should I aim for 5 mycology quarts per tub?

Will I have higher BE, if I use more spawn?






How much spawn did you have for this?



I don't remember exactly, but I want to say 5-6Q.


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to answer OP; if you want maximum return on each qt jar of grain you should do several tubs with lower ratios.
you'll get more return from 2 tubs with 2qts spawn in each than 1 tub with all 4 jars in.

5mycoqt's is perfect for a 66qt tub and1brick coir 2qts verm (damions bucket tek)



Yeah, I have large blocks of coir that I take chips off of. Verm, I found that Lowes will sell for 50% off if the bag is damaged. I always find damaged bags, usually full. :smile:

Thank you for your more direct answer. Its good to know that 2 tubs of 2Q is better than 1 tub of 4Q. Do you have any idea what the yield difference may be between a 2Q and a 4Q?


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23618792 - 09/06/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

*cough* still true even in a mini mono.


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23618796 - 09/06/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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you'll get more return from 2 tubs with 2qts spawn in each than 1 tub with all 4 jars in.





*cough* Increased surface area by a factor of 2 *cough*




lol, you have 2 tubs instead of 1:lol:

checkout pastywhytes posts on bottles and BE if you wanna learn something or keep guessing if that's what you prefer :super:


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Stargate]
    #23618803 - 09/06/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You'll have twice as many mushrooms twice as fast. 

You might have less flushes, but you will have more per flush since you've essentially increased your surface area by a factor of two.

Also, it gives contaminates less time to take hold of your sub.


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23618809 - 09/06/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

stargate; no,you most likely wont get higher BE by adding grains since grains weigh so much more than the sub does dry.

BE isnt directly translated into yield. I can do 1 grow and get 200% BE, and you do 1 grow and get 50% BE, but you can stillhave more yield than me.
you just used more dry substrate and grains pr wet mushroom output than I did.

BE = biological efficiency, not "return on qt jars in tubs" if you understand?


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23618811 - 09/06/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You'll have twice as many mushrooms twice as fast. 

You might have less flushes, but you will have more per flush since you've essentially increased your surface area by a factor of two.

Also, it gives contaminates less time to take hold of your sub.




You will get more output if you fill a 66qt tub with bottles instead of sub like a normalmonotub even tho the bottles has LESS surface area than the whole sub would.

Just get experienced but dont guess on shit you dont know while you get there.


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: spacechildo]
    #23618827 - 09/06/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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spacechildo said:
you'll get more return from 2 tubs with 2qts spawn in each than 1 tub with all 4 jars in.





*cough* Increased surface area by a factor of 2 *cough*




lol, you have 2 tubs instead of 1:lol:

checkout pastywhytes posts on bottles and BE if you wanna learn something or keep guessing if that's what you prefer :super:




Again, we aren't talking about bottles or cakes.  And I don't do bottles or cakes, nor do I want to.  I do bulk subs for a good reason. I don't need your confirmation to know what I'm saying has validity.

It isn't a guess, dude.  It's mathematics.  Also, stop being a dick to me for no God damned  reason.  Really don't need your condescending responses, they aren't necessary, nor are they welcome.


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Mushierage]
    #23618833 - 09/06/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

... Surface area is really not a factor in BE bro.  I'd go as far as to say it's one of the least important factors.  The bottle grows are a really great example of that, not sure why you'd want to dismiss them.  You and space seem to be having these issues repeatedly but, dude's right. :shrug:


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Re: Grain = Yield? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23618836 - 09/06/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

here's some of pastys bottles that he posted, tell them how much surface area matters :lol:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23614615#23614615


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