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PxyDust
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GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP)
#23618079 - 09/06/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a good chunk of text to come, and I apologize. For any who are willing to read and help, it is so greatly appreciated. I am more than willing to answer questions you have, and provide info/pictures as needed to help come to an answer as to what my next move should be.
Hello there! I've been lurking these forums for years now, thumbing through all the great info this community has managed to gather. Up until this point, I have yet to actually join up, but today is the day because I NEED HELP
A little info In the past I have followed the tried and true LC>Grain>Coir route, with great success, and never bothered with cakes in the least. Receiving a GT Multispore Syringe for free, I decided to give the classic PF tek a whack. But throughout the process, I had a change of heart and tried some more obscure techniques, and have now landed myself in a place where I do not know what to do and the information I can find is constantly conflicting and irrelevant to my situation.
What was done up until this point I must appologize, I had not taken pictures up until this point, so here incomes a wall of text
I started with 6 half-pint BRF jars (with coffee grounds added), lost 1 to contams
After colonized, and a few days of consolidation, I had read into theLazy Mofo Bag Tek and decided to do this to my cakes in autoclaved bags with filter patches
1 cake was left alone (you'll see it later), 2 were spawned separately into a their own quart of BRF substrate, than the last two were spawned into a larger bag with 2 quarts of BRF substrate. So I had 1 normal cake, two cakes that were 1.25 quarts each, and a 2.5 quart cake
The two 1.25 quart cakes colonized, and the 2.5 started to stall at about 80% (It was also larger than a football ha!)
Due to the stalling, I took the 2.5 cake, removed its uncolonized area(s), and decided to chop it up, and spawn it to a just straw monotub (This is also my first time working with straw)
I took one of the 1.25 cakes, and used it as spawn also for a good sum of Straw Trays, those are still colonizing
The left over .25 cake and 1.25 cake were decided to be put into a SGFC
Now that all the boring shit is out of the way, here's where I need your help!! Pictures also coming
My .5 cake got some cobweb, and was treated with Peroxide which did cure the issue. But has been in the chamber for 3 weeks now, with no pins or anything, I am probably going to just discard it
My 1.25 cake in fruiting has been in there for 10-11 days now. Temp has been stable between 71-75 and rH has been kept been 95-99, and I've been very good about keeping it fanned and having plenty of FAE. But there is no sign of anything. There are some possible knots, but nothing has developed, there is no sign of anything.
My straw monotub is also in question, as I have never worked with straw I have no idea when it is at full colonization, the few pictures I have managed to find of just straw that is fully colonized seems to look like mine, but I can't tell, and don't know what I should do at this point.
My trays are still colonizing, so they are not in question yet.
Pictures! BEFORE IT GETS ASKED, YES I USED POLYFILL IN MY FC. It has retained a great moisture content, and has kept my rH very stable, and its synthetic, so less contams worries.
Here's the 1.25 cake in the FC

Here's the 1.25 next to the .25 cake, you can see the size difference rather easily (Excuse the manual thermo and hydro, my digital one stopped working yesterday)

Some shots of the straw tub


And some close-ups of the straw


Lastly, where I think I fucked up
As for the straw, I don't really know if it's ready or not to fruit, and if it is, what I should do about casing it or not? Wax paper tek seems to be reccomended. My issue is I cannot tell when it's ready. It is currently back wrapped up in garbage bags, under a black-out sheet, until I can confirm that it is ready.
With the cakes, I think the 0.25 is just dead from the cobweb. As for the 1.25 here's a list of why it could be fucked -Due to it's size, there are parts internally that just haven't colonized -It's having moisture issues -I fucked it's light cycle up. Though it was on a natural 12/12 on my desk next to the window. I leave the tv on as I go to bed, so it was faint receiving ambient light even in it's dark times (I have now recognized this and have fixed my errors)
Once again I heavily apologize for the long read, I've just reached a point of being lost guys.
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: PxyDust]
#23618098 - 09/06/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't really know where to start. Chances are you never had cobweb. If you do your fruiting chamber is built horribly. It's not worth saving cobweb grows with peroxide its best to toss and fix the problem.
First three links in my signature have actual good info
24/7 light would be fine but 12/12 is better. Your TV didn't fuck up anything.
Ambient light is good at all stages. Black bags are never needed and putting things in the dark is 30 year old, wrong, information.
Light will not cause premature pinning or side pins
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: bodhisatta]
#23618114 - 09/06/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Polly fill less contams worries than perlite?? Expand? Would damp polyfill allow decent air flow through it its not an sgfc with out perlite I can't see the holes in your "sgfc" was that at least done to spec 1/4" holes 2" x 2" grid all sides top and bottom You seem to be one of those who come thinking they know better and get  Coffee in Pf Polly in sgfc Can't see any holes in sgfc The tek is read only not for your modifications
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23618119 - 09/06/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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that fruiting chamber is an abomination
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PxyDust
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: bodhisatta]
#23618176 - 09/06/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Don't really know where to start. Chances are you never had cobweb. If you do your fruiting chamber is built horribly. It's not worth saving cobweb grows with peroxide its best to toss and fix the problem.
It was confirmed as cobweb, it reacted with the peroxide typically
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mrmazdarx9 said: Polly fill less contams worries than perlite?? Expand? Would damp polyfill allow decent air flow through it its not an sgfc with out perlite I can't see the holes in your "sgfc" was that at least done to spec 1/4" holes 2" x 2" grid all sides top and bottom You seem to be one of those who come thinking they know better and get  Coffee in Pf Polly in sgfc Can't see any holes in sgfc The tek is read only not for your modifications
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Trusted Cultivator said:
that fruiting chamber is an abomination
The title does say novelty, I intended to fuck around a bit, and see what results would come.
Yes the FC does have 1/4in holes on a 2x2in pattern, adding small amounts of coffee grounds to brf cakes is rather common, as for the poly I had found a few scattered logs recording great success with it and decided to give it a try.
Though reading your post has raised a question for me.. My holes begin right above the poly-fill, and it is closed off below it.. I'm gonna take a safe bet and say this is most likely where I fucked up.
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: PxyDust]
#23618183 - 09/06/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coffee is contamination magnet. Im guessing those logs are 6-12 years old.
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: PxyDust]
#23618203 - 09/06/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So lemme get this straight. You went and did a whole pile of stuff that is recommended people never do, and now you want people to tell you how to make it work?
Mechanic; "I'm sorry Sir but you should never put sugar in the gas tank. Your car is done."
Customer; "Yeah I know but I was doing a novelty/experiment. If you could just fix it I will be on my way."
Mechanic; . . .
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23618244 - 09/06/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trusted Cultivator said: Coffee is contamination magnet. Im guessing those logs are 6-12 years old.
Okay, if I decide to do PF tek again I'll stay away from coffee. Thanks for the advice!
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Pastywhyte said: So lemme get this straight. You went and did a whole pile of stuff that is recommended people never do, and now you want people to tell you how to make it work?
Mechanic; "I'm sorry Sir but you should never put sugar in the gas tank. Your car is done."
Customer; "Yeah I know but I was doing a novelty/experiment. If you could just fix it I will be on my way."
Mechanic; . . .
I'd love to say no, but you're pretty much right. I was aware my decisions were not ideal. In my previous few grows, I always stuck to grains and coir, and never had issue. Though I strayed from my area of experience, and toyed around. And now I've found myself here.
It seems that rebuilding my FC needs to be my top priority to save the cakes, as I have made it this far.
Though what I am really curious about is What do I do with my straw monotub? I did follow that tek tooth and nail, I am just curious about telling when it's ready for fruiting, and if I should bother with casing it or not.
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: PxyDust]
#23618301 - 09/06/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never had a lot of success spawning to straight straw. I guess just dial it in and maybe case it if it's fully colonized. Bout all I can tell ya.
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23618316 - 09/06/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Coffee grounds in Pf cakes are not "rather common" it is however rather dated and rather dumb all your doing is feeding contams
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23618338 - 09/06/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I never had a lot of success spawning to straight straw. I guess just dial it in and maybe case it if it's fully colonized. Bout all I can tell ya.
Okay then, that seems to be the consensus that I've found through lurking. In the few pictures I have managed to find of fully colonized straw, it doesn't appear to be fully white, and seems to look nearly identical to mine. I'm going to leave it to colonize for a few more days, than check back. Better to be safe than sorry.
Tonight I'll rebuild my FC and address the issues I've had, and post back. Thank you for the help guys! Just perhaps this can be turned around into some type of success.
I must apologize, there are a good bit of you that probably tore your hair out in frustration reading this in-progress log
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Re: GT Multispore Novelty Grow Log (INCOMPLETE, NEED HELP) [Re: PxyDust]
#23618394 - 09/06/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PxyDust said:
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Pastywhyte said: I never had a lot of success spawning to straight straw. I guess just dial it in and maybe case it if it's fully colonized. Bout all I can tell ya.
Okay then, that seems to be the consensus that I've found through lurking. In the few pictures I have managed to find of fully colonized straw, it doesn't appear to be fully white, and seems to look nearly identical to mine. I'm going to leave it to colonize for a few more days, than check back. Better to be safe than sorry.
Tonight I'll rebuild my FC and address the issues I've had, and post back. Thank you for the help guys! Just perhaps this can be turned around into some type of success.
I must apologize, there are a good bit of you that probably tore your hair out in frustration reading this in-progress log
 We all make mistakes its whether you learn from them and do things correctly or do what a lot do and charge on in the wrong direction, if it wasn't for this forum and people being able to ask if their harvest looks edible after they grow it wrong there would probably be a lot of sick shroomerites.
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