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cakes not fruiting
#23618015 - 09/06/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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on day 10 and not seeing much at all. this one pin showed up 3 days ago and is showing no growth and next to no color on the cap. stumped here.
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aloe
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Things look a little dry to me, what do you do as far as misting? Try providing the best environment possible and pushing the pinning triggers. Was about to go back and look again since I'm on mobile, but it loaded for me once and now won't load anymore.
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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: aloe]
#23618138 - 09/06/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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aloe said: Things look a little dry to me, what do you do as far as misting? Try providing the best environment possible and pushing the pinning triggers. Was about to go back and look again since I'm on mobile, but it loaded for me once and now won't load anymore.
i have just under 2 inches of perlite in the chamber, i was misting the sides of the FC and not the cakes, i started taking the cakes out and giving a heavy spray to the perlite. today i just gave the cakes a heavy mist.
i was misting once or twice a day and fanning 4 to 5 times.
i suppose i'll go heavy on misting and ease up on fanning, perhaps no fanning anymore. a few days into it i smelled what i thought was mildew so i really eased up on misting. i think this is where i went wrong.
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bodhisatta 
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4-6 inches of perlite in the TEK. Why follow the directions to get a nice cake birth it into something you rigged
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TheGODSmadeMe
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Should help out...
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Mushierage
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That's why they aren't pinning. You weren't even misting them. Unless there are some other problems with your Fc besides perlite amount.
Lightly mist the cakes and let the water evaporate from the surface inside the fruiting chamber. Then mist again. Only fan after you mist, and only mist when the surface of the cake is dry. If water is not evaporating from the cake surface about every 12 hours or so, then you are not giving them enough FAE probably (and also the humidity is too high constantly, needs to rise and fall)
Hope that helps
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DocShamen
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yes the tek ask for around 4 inches of perlite so you don't have to mist as often. make sure you mist and manually fan right after misting.
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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: DocShamen]
#23621973 - 09/07/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks for the helpful replies everyone. i added 4 more inches of perlite and increased misting frequency.
i dont see any knots or new pins but this one pin has progressed to this..

do i rip this off and continue about my business?
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mushboy
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show a pic of your chamber...? would help but that cake does look dry.
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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: mushboy]
#23622172 - 09/07/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Subbing.
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DocShamen
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how long have you had that cake in the fc?
is this the first flush of that cake?
did you dunk and roll before putting in fc?
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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: DocShamen]
#23622393 - 09/07/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can tell you right now by the dimensions of the holes in the background in your picture, and the way the Myc is expanding around the vermiculite, that the FC you have is not giving your cake a proper amount of FAE.
An SGFC should have 1/4" holes every 2 inches, in all 6 sides of the chamber, including the bottom. It should also be raised up off the ground if it isn't already.
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cakes have been in there for 11 days. first flush if you wanna call it that. i did a dunk and roll. the dunk was over 24 hours.. closer to 30, not intentional. lately ive been leaving a door open so its been near fresh air. bruising is now occurring. so what do i do, keep spraying? re-dunk? if there isnt enough FAE then why does my chamber seem to keep drying out so quickly? when i scoop some perlite up its just barely moist. yet i see moisture on the sides of the chamber most of the time i check on it, yet the cakes are dry.
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Do you have holes in the bottom?
Moisture on the sides does not indicate humidity. It indicates temperature difference. The condensation is likely because it's hotter in FC than the ambient temperature of your room.
Sounds like your perlite isn't hydrated. SGFCs work by using pressure gradients which draw cooler air up through the perlite and pushes warmer air through the top. This aids with FAE, humidity, and getting that nasty chokey co2 out of there.
I'm really not sure what else to say at this point. Maybe a TC can see something here I'm missing, but otherwise
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yes i have holes on the bottom. upon constructing the chamber i had a friend pick up the perlite and it was the finer kind, perhaps it got compacted down and blocking air flow from the bottom, i will mix it all and re wet the perlite
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DocShamen
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24 hrs is really the max you should dunk your cakes. I usually leave mine in for 8-10 hrs and they do just fine. do you have any type of fan going or air conditioner going that is close to your fc? that could also be what's drying it out faster than normal. not sure on that one. I do suggest that once you get it going and you're done with your first flush. I wouldn't roll. just rinse with cold water and dunk it again (not for 30 hrs =P).
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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: DocShamen]
#23623767 - 09/07/16 09:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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DocShamen said: 24 hrs is really the max you should dunk your cakes. I usually leave mine in for 8-10 hrs and they do just fine. do you have any type of fan going or air conditioner going that is close to your fc? that could also be what's drying it out faster than normal. not sure on that one. I do suggest that once you get it going and you're done with your first flush. I wouldn't roll. just rinse with cold water and dunk it again (not for 30 hrs =P).
no fan, ac vent is closed in that room. but the chamber is near a sliding door near the back porch and i leave it open, i wanted to give it fresh air. i'll stop doing that.
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I'm almost betting that perlite is clogging the bottom holes.....I had the same shit happen right after my first flush on my cakes a while back......the perlite compacted into a dense block almost due to the dust mixing with the water from misting.....didn't realize it happened til it was too late
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ForResearch said:
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DocShamen said: 24 hrs is really the max you should dunk your cakes. I usually leave mine in for 8-10 hrs and they do just fine. do you have any type of fan going or air conditioner going that is close to your fc? that could also be what's drying it out faster than normal. not sure on that one. I do suggest that once you get it going and you're done with your first flush. I wouldn't roll. just rinse with cold water and dunk it again (not for 30 hrs =P).
no fan, ac vent is closed in that room. but the chamber is near a sliding door near the back porch and i leave it open, i wanted to give it fresh air. i'll stop doing that.
Nevermind me......there is your problem
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DocShamen
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if it is in a big room with plenty of circulation then you shouldn't need the door open although it is always nice getting real fresh air now and then for yourself =P. remember around 75 degrees F is well suited. if you have it in the closet or ever decide to put some there then I would open closet door run a fan on low for 20-30 min twice a day just to get rid of that stagnant air. but don't have it pointed directly on monos,dub,sgfc, anything else with holes that you're growing mushies in.
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Re: cakes not fruiting [Re: DocShamen]
#23630877 - 09/09/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey guys, first i want to thank everyone who has helped. ive been learning a lot. i want to provide an update and i have a follow up question as well. im starting to see more pins now, so thats definitely a good thing. however i feel the cakes are still too dry. now im running into a problem here. how can i keep my cakes hydrated all while not spraying them with water?
im curious to that because i read that spraying pins is a good way to make them prematurely open up and stunt growth overall which is what im starting to see.
i really dont know when i should re-dunk or if these cakes are ever going to provide decent shroomies. what would you do at this point?

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Psilosoulful

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Just mist them from a distance, they'll be just fine. Then, place them back in your SGFC. Those pins should mature quickly
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