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partyboy420247
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Monotub overlay help
#23617466 - 09/06/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello. I have a monotub that has puffy mycelium all over the surface of the substrate. Four decent sized mushrooms have popped up through tiny gaps that the mycelium didn't completely colonize, but only in one corner of the tub. I also saw a small mushroom emerging from the side of my tub, so I decided to pick it, mainly because it wasn't in a very good place. Some of the substrate came up with it, and the layer of casing was visible after I did this. On this spot that was no longer covered by mycelium, two more mushrooms emerged soon after, so I did some research. I read in a book that I can sterilize a fork and scrape up the top layer to help the substrate recover and grow mushrooms if the surface of the substrate is completely covered with mycelium. So, my question is, should I get a fork and rake up the substrate, or wait and possibly get nothing?
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AgarStudent
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I wouldn't worry too much. If it is cubensis you are growing it won't care too much. I dumped mine in the dirty compost bin and it kept producing more!
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Cubensis doesn't get overlay, raking or using a fork is a terrible idea. The resource you found that info from is useless
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Re: Monotub overlay help [Re: bodhisatta]
#23617512 - 09/06/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Trusted Cultivator said: Cubensis doesn't get overlay, raking or using a fork is a terrible idea. The resource you found that info from is useless
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partyboy420247
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Re: Monotub overlay help [Re: bodhisatta]
#23617525 - 09/06/16 09:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read that part about fixing overlay in the book "Psilocybin Mushroom Handbook: Easy Indoor and Outdoor Cultivation". That's the only time I've heard of being able to fix overlay. I bought the "Let's Grow Mushrooms" videos and watched them, but I'm pretty sure that he didn't say anything about a situation like this. I'm worried because only one corner of my monotub is fruiting, and only a small amount of fruits at that. How long should I wait before I consider this run a failure? And why did the mushrooms start growing when I had a bare spot? Should I test out a small area to see if any mushrooms want to grow through the mycelium layer?
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NDStepp84
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There are several threads here with people who think they have overlay which they don't because cubensis dosen't get it, it's probably dry you got pics? https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21931053#21931053
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Inocuole
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Cubensis don't even get overlay. Whatever you think you have is not overlay, and scraping the mycelium is never the way to fix anything regarding cubensis. Books can be very very wrong.
You probably just have a bacterial substrate and that's why they're not growing where you want. Without pics this is all guesswork though.
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partyboy420247
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Re: Monotub overlay help [Re: Inocuole]
#23617565 - 09/06/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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My apologies. I meant to post a picture with my first post. Here's what I'm looking at. And yes, I did notice those yellow splotches. I was told that the mycelium are fighting off bacteria.

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NDStepp84
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Too wet, loosen the poly to give more fae, the evaporation should help it to pin, the beads of moisture should be a bit smaller. Should be like a fine mist covering the surface, those are more like droplets. If it was me I would remove the top poly completely for a while until some of that evaporates, maybe even crack the lid a bit but keep an eye on it and don't let it get completely dry.
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Edited by NDStepp84 (09/06/16 09:45 AM)
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partyboy420247
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Re: Monotub overlay help [Re: NDStepp84]
#23617592 - 09/06/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's something else that I didn't mention. I have cling wrap over my bin because it's opaque and that's how I get light in there. Would it screw stuff up if I left it uncovered completely? Like, would it be easily contaminated in open air at this point? I thought that I was keeping the contaminants at bay with the cling wrap, but then the yellow splotches showed up. Maybe I'm just making things worse with the cling wrap.
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NDStepp84
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A fully colonized sub is contamination resistant, it is more likely to contaminate closed completely off and wet than with fresh air. People do open air grows all the time, you just have to keep up proper surface conditions.
Does that tote have any holes with poly or closed off completely?
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partyboy420247
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Re: Monotub overlay help [Re: NDStepp84]
#23617620 - 09/06/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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My bin has 4 1" holes, filled with Poly-Fil. So I need to take the cling wrap off? It won't get contaminated in the open air? I'm sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to understand.
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Mad Season
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4 holes on the bottom near the substrate surface, 2 holes on top is a typical mono setup. Don't take off the saran wrap if it's your lid. Just stuff the holes with poly. Bottom tight, top is loose.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17332777/fpart/1/vc/1
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partyboy420247
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My 4 holes are more near to the top. The holes are stuffed with Poly-Fil. That's all the ventilation I have. Should I remove some of the Poly-Fil to allow more air in?
Here's a picture of one of the sides of the bin
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Mad Season
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Lol you really didn't follow a tek did you? Lots don't. My first mono was like that. I ended up taping up the holes and redrilling new ones. You really should at least drill holes on the substrate level, and as for loosening the holes... Read the link I sent you?
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partyboy420247
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Re: Monotub overlay help [Re: Mad Season]
#23617672 - 09/06/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bought this thing as a pre-made grow kit. People on here tried to tell me not to, but I did it anyway. Big mistake. I followed the directions, but this is as far as it's gotten me. So, I need to make more holes by the substrate layer? Is that the best solution?
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Mad Season
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Yes its the best solution. Make sure they're stuffed tight with polyfil
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partyboy420247
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Re: Monotub overlay help [Re: Mad Season]
#23617722 - 09/06/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay. Thank you for your guidance. I've had people leading me in different directions, and it's almost caused me to screw this whole thing up. I noticed a small mushroom growing under a mushroom that's leaning over, so I took off the cling wrap to pick it so it didn't start to mold and ruin the big mushroom growing above it. I could feel the humid, stagnant air escaping from the bin. I'm pretty sure that it's not supposed to be like that. I'll get some more Poly-Fil from the store, cut the holes, stuff them, and then post a picture. Is it okay for me to leave off the cling wrap for a little while to let things dry out and have some FAE? I think it would help, but then again, I'm a noob who doesn't know what he's doing.
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Mad Season
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I would just leave the cling wrap on.
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partyboy420247
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Re: Monotub overlay help [Re: Mad Season]
#23617735 - 09/06/16 10:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Will do. I'll just cut the holes and stuff them with Poly-Fil. Thanks for the help.
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