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PsycheUltimatum


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Got a far fetched theory!
#23617103 - 09/06/16 06:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Got a rather far fetched theory but it is possible IMO. They say at the point of death the brain triggers large loads of DMT to be released possibly larger than doses used recreationely.
If this is true everyone knows the raw power of DMT and if you don't research it will be worth your while. Time distortion on DMT and other psychedelics for that matter are so great at even just recreational doses that hours can feel like years.
They say once you die you go to eternal afterlife which can be either heaven or hell in the traditional sense. What if what actually happens when you die is when that super load of DMT is shot through your conscious, your body is set up to cause that great a time distortion (after all you clearly have the ability and function to distort time) that whatever experience the DMT flings at you that it feels like it lasts for all eternity, obviously you die eventually but your time distortion is that great your conscious will never reach that end and therefore you are delivered to that eternal afterlife??
The psychedelic experience could be the afterlife like so many people repeatedly report and believe?
Edited by PsycheUltimatum (09/06/16 06:13 AM)
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better to be scientific, the ideas you reference are fake science -not worth theorizing upon
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https://www.google.dk/search?q=dmt+released+at+death&oq=dmt+release
There are numerous studies and researches around this, which proves the release of dmt in the brain upon death.
OP, you blew my mind, this is an incredible theory, and it could very well sound possible.. I told my mom about it, and when we talked about it, both of our minds exploded, because she had been thinking about when we die, we get the most insane trip of our lives, of jumping out into a field of flowers and such, and she has never tripped in her life, and never heard of dmt or the release of it before I told her about it...
Interesting
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yogashaman21
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yeah you didn't invent this theory. A million people have thought of this theory already.
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MogollonMonster
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For a forum based around a mind opening fungus, I see an awful lot of close minded assholes with a condencending tone. Fuck all of you, you know who you are. Good drugs are about peace, love and the expansion of the mind, creation of new ideas and fostering old ones until full fruitition is possible.
In regards to the OP, an interesting theory. DMT is the afterlife? If the Christians can make a holiday out of a rabbit laying psychedelic patterned chicken eggs, claiming these traditions to have some tie to their failed prophet (Jesus questions his faith with his last breath: "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" there's your son of god) than you can have DMT heaven!
None of us KNOWS what goes down on the other side, we're here not there. Since popular science can neither confirm or deny the existence of the consciousness after death, your theory is as possible as anyone else's.
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Well this theory would work with the assumption that one does really eternally experience some sort of existence of their consciousness upon dying. There's no evidence to support this line of thinking, it's all just based on the idea that all of the religions that think that there is consciousness after death might be right for no real reason, except that this belief is only possible as the result of an illusion brought on by chemicals released by your body upon death.
No one has ever reported dying and then experiencing eternity, and there is no evidence to suggest that anything like that happens, so there's no reason to assume that because many people believe that you enter a different realm of existence after dying, that they are correct, or that the reason that they're correct is that dmt is released upon death. It's just as plausible, probably more so, that a surge of dmt is released upon death, and your very last moments are an extreme trip that eventually ends and gives way to, (or even introduces) the afterlife, or any other infinite sets of possibilities.
I don't mean to just be "a close minded nay-sayer" or anything, but the theory isn't very sound imo, and it's part of a large group of similar thoughts regarding indogenous dmt excretion. I've seen many others like it, and the one that I personally find the most plausible and interesting is that the dmt somehow has to do with your consciousness changing its realm of existence or something along those lines.
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AuroraBorealis88
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I don't think time will even be a thing after you're dead. I think the human brain simply makes time and conceptualizes it.
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Enkidu
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To live eternal is the realization that what we were, are, and will be, is ever lasting. That there is no such thing as time, only change, and time is simply how we keep track of change. That what we were, are, and will be, changes. The beginning is a part of what is now. It is connected. It never ceased to be. It simply changed into what we have now. So how can you say it, in the past, no longer exists, if it, is connected to and led to now and the future and forever more?
So since we are connected to what will be, how can it ever be said that we do not exist? Where can you draw a distinction from what you were, what you are, and what you will be, in a way that says you were, but are now no more? Where can you draw a distinction that says what we are and what we are in contact with is separate and different?
We create these distinctions and separations in our minds. By comparing differences. The difference between life and death. But in reality, neither is possible without the other. Since without death, you could never have said to have lived. So in reality, they are simply two aspects of the same thing.
We are not the same as when we were born, yet we are the same. We change. Where can you draw the distinction to say who we were is no more and who we are now came to be?
True reality is that everything that is has always been and always will be. I believe that is the truth of what it means to find eternal life after death. The fact that there is no such thing as death. Only change.
Your theory to me is an interesting idea. I can't say I believe in it myself haha.
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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Enkidu]
#23617637 - 09/06/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: Where can you draw a distinction from what you were, what you are, and what you will be, in a way that says you were, but are now no more? Where can you draw a distinction that says what we are and what we are in contact with is separate and different?
You can draw the distinction wherever/whenever you want to.
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Enkidu
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But you can't draw a distinction in such a way that says "it" is no more.
To say "it" doesn't exist is a contradiction. If you can speak of it and say "it" then how can you say "it" doesn't exist?
If so you wouldn't be talking about anything.
Therefore anything from the past that we can conceptualize is based on its existence and connection to the present. And if we can not say "it" does not exist because that simply makes no sense, then "it" must exist. Therefore it would make more sense that "it" simply changed. That it still exists, just maybe slightly different from our perception and ability to conceptualize.
And the reality is probably that what we believe to exist is nothing more than a construct of our mind.
Even if we think of something that does not exist, it is nothing more than a thought, which must be said to exist.
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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Enkidu]
#23617676 - 09/06/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Who you were when you were 5, does that person exist?
You exist, but are you the same?
If you are not the same and are different, does who you were at 5 still exist?
The answer is almost both yes and no. Which I think is close to the answer of what life is. What we and everything is. Eternal.
We draw the distinction and create life and death.
This is what life is, this is what death is. But it is a man made conception and construct, isn't it?
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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Enkidu]
#23617698 - 09/06/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Exactly I feel like all time exists interconnected, if the past exists and the now exists why would it not make sense that the future exists aswell, everything is connected on so many levels and humans can only perceive so much and language can only do so much
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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Enkidu]
#23617712 - 09/06/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: But you can't draw a distinction in such a way that says "it" is no more.
I never said it was no more. The past, future and present doesn't really exist.
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Enkidu
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I agree.
All we are able to conceptualize is what we can perceive based on our senses and interaction with those sense objects.
A limited source of information.
But who knows what we do not have access to that would change our perception.
Similar to comparing what a worm, with no ears, no eyes, etc, can perceive and conceptualize about existence, compared to a human interpretation.
But who can say if either is any closer to reality.
Ancient religion's say that thru meditation, we can abandon our senses, which bring us closer to our true nature and allow us to conceptualize existence closer to true reality.
And that seems to be the idea of everything is one and ever lasting. The unification with "god". That which permeates all existence.
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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Enkidu]
#23617719 - 09/06/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well what I meant was drawing a distinction in such a way that says what we were does not exist and what we are exists. Distinctions of separation. You can draw distinctions of separations where ever you want, like you said, but they are simply man made distinctions with no basis. We draw the distinction based on our perception of change and what is, what will be, what was.
But you can't say that they do not exist. Therefore the distinction is almost false. Man made. Just a separation of what is.
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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Enkidu]
#23617726 - 09/06/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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A horse is a horse.
Yet we can also draw distinctions and say the horse has a leg. A head. Etc. But they are just different aspects of one entity.
I think ancient's suggest we as humans are similar. We draw a distinction to say we are human and separate from this and that. Yet in reality we are simply a different aspect of one entity.
We were and are no more, yet these are really just distinctions of one entity. No?
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PsycheUltimatum


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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Enkidu]
#23617764 - 09/06/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow it was just a thought but I suppose you guys have different ideas, "change" will tell
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mary fairchild
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You sure stirred the pot up. I liked your idea.
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PsycheUltimatum


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mary fairchild said: You sure stirred the pot up. I liked your idea.
It is plausible
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Aureus
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Never understood this time distortion thing, time do not distort when I take shrooms, in fact it is so fun that time seems to go by more quickly.
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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Aureus]
#23618488 - 09/06/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always liked the story of the guy who died and was lifted out of limbo as he was stuck in some vines by a woman. Turns out he was adopted and that woman was his biological sister. Who knows what happens after death. I'm in no hurry to find out but will be cool to know
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PsycheUltimatum


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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Aureus]
#23618609 - 09/06/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aureus said: Never understood this time distortion thing, time do not distort when I take shrooms, in fact it is so fun that time seems to go by more quickly.
Time going rapidly/faster is a form of time distortion too?
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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Aureus]
#23618825 - 09/06/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aureus said: Never understood this time distortion thing, time do not distort when I take shrooms, in fact it is so fun that time seems to go by more quickly.
I've had time speed up while on shrooms and slow down as well as not exist at all.
and on LSD I've actually had time loops in that time was literally repeating itself and almost moving in a cycle over and over again pretty similarly to thought loops but with my perception of time.
Shrooms usually distorts time majorly for me in contrast to most other psychedelics and usually mostly in the first 2 or 3 hours of the experience. After that you probably won't experience any dramatic distortions but during those first 2 or 2 1/2 hours things including time are most definitely distorted. At least for anyone I've ever met... Try really analyzing the experience. It can be really hard to remember what exactly happens in the first 2/3 hours of a mushroom trip after it's all over, especially if it's been a while since you've tripped. It's almost like a lot of it you're not even allowed to bring back with you.
The only drug where I hear about people getting time distortion where I find it odd is with weed. I've NEVER had time distortion with weed not even slightly. I've had full on hallucinations and trips on weed before and all kinds of stuff but it never messed with my perception of time even subtly. Apparently though it's extremely common and it's one of those things I guess "most" weed smokers experience at one point or other but I've never experienced it even once and I find that strange seeing that I would probably be a good candidate for it since I usually trip way harder from weed than most people and experience and notice things about being high that I think most people don't notice.
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Your close but time is a human construct, meaning it doesn't exist outside our perception. Besides the theory revolving around time distortion it's a pretty solid theory.
DMT could very well be the catalyst in which our consciousness transcends into another plane/dimension/reality/reincarnation apon and after the event horizon of death.
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PsycheUltimatum


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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: impaired420]
#23619918 - 09/06/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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impaired420 said: Your close but time is a human construct, meaning it doesn't exist outside our perception. Besides the theory revolving around time distortion it's a pretty solid theory.
DMT could very well be the catalyst in which our consciousness transcends into another plane/dimension/reality/reincarnation apon and after the event horizon of death.
Yeah after reading through the comments I now feel I should replace the word time with the word change but it still remains the same, I think when we die our brain transcends us to the psychedelic experience at a much higher level, we don't actually die we just evolve into what's next
Edited by PsycheUltimatum (09/06/16 09:35 PM)
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Re: Got a far fetched theory! [Re: Aureus]
#23620557 - 09/07/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I honestly don't really enjoy "moments of eternity". It's a very strange feeling, and it can pretty easily make a person think they are stuck in the trip forever imo. Especially when combined with all the mindfuck shrooms are capable of inducing. Although it can be pretty cool on occasion.
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