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sinhand
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Drying with an inert gas?
#23617041 - 09/06/16 05:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Recently SWIM been researching strains with a higher psilocin content. Specifically pan cyans.SWIM's understanding is that oxygen degrades psilocin. SWIM has found plenty of post regarding storing with an inert gas but couldn't find anything decent on drying in a chamber filled with inert gas. The thought process is that this would prevent the oxygenation of the psilocin. Does anyone here think this is feasible/ worth the time?
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: sinhand]
#23617050 - 09/06/16 05:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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they are so thin, they'd probably dry out in a fridge.
not sure about the gas thing, but my first thought is "i don't have that kind of money"
but i am sure that when i eat pans that went thru a dehydrator, I'm 12 feet above where I want to be….so i wouldn't worry about it too much
edit: i personally think those charts that list active content are BS. there is no background info. wild collected? indoor? dry? wet? of course stamets is going to say azurescens are the most potent because he is one of the dudes who helped define it as a species
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sinhand
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I suppose SWIM will just have to try it.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: sinhand] 1
#23617081 - 09/06/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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well when SWIM first tries pans I bet he will get FOAFed UP!!! 
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Sounds like I'm being a wanker .....but for what its worti have ready access to dry ice which I use to purge the oxygen out of glass containers before putting my shrooms in. During the process would be costly and difficult but storing in a zero oxygen environment imo does have its benefits.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: pineninja]
#23617252 - 09/06/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oxidation doesn't happen because of elemental diatomic oxygen in the air. It happens when the fruits are still wet. It is an aqueous reaction. Dry them fast and with heat in a food dehydrator set to at least 150+F(usually 170F is all the way up use that) to lock in potency by killing enzymes responsible for degradation as soon as they're picked. As well as stopping oxidation as quick as possible.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23617641 - 09/06/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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and it's actually an exchange of electrons(hydrogen), not oxygen.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: Mad Season]
#23617775 - 09/06/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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buy a food dehydrator. why is everyone trying to be fancy with drying methods?
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: mushboy]
#23617850 - 09/06/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushboy said: buy a food dehydrator. why is everyone trying to be fancy with drying methods?
Have one. Works perfectly fine. Trying to improve is the best part of life and science.. Good information from everyone else though. I'm a lurker not a poster. Maybe one uses SWIM because he hasn't posted on an internet forum since everyone was doing it? Or Maybe every precaution is worth the extra second to type it.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: sinhand]
#23617868 - 09/06/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i wasnt trying to be a dick. sorry if i can off that way. but in the last few weeks ive seen some people either drying with out-dated practices or just plain wacky ideas.
im sure the gaint bags dried mushrooms sold at asian-mart were done with heat/large dehydrators.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: mushboy]
#23617874 - 09/06/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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No one on the internet is worth getting offended over. I just have a CO2 tank and a dehydrator that is a sealed system figured i'd give it a try.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: sinhand]
#23617966 - 09/06/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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HELLO SWIM
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: sinhand]
#23618025 - 09/06/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: SpinScratch] 1
#23618046 - 09/06/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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OH NOZ THE TROLL GOT ME.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: sinhand] 2
#23618278 - 09/06/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
sinhand said: OH NOZ THE TROLL GOT ME SWIM.
Careful, almost got yourself raided there.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: Inocuole]
#23618426 - 09/06/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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you never disappoint inoc.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: Inocuole]
#23618452 - 09/06/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inocuole said:
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sinhand said: OH NOZ THE TROLL GOT ME SWIM.
Careful, almost got yourself raided there.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: Kenetic]
#23618456 - 09/06/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice av... Magus staring off in the distance like "man my life is fucked up now"
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: Inocuole]
#23618461 - 09/06/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks. Chrono trigger is the shit. My first rpg ever
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: Kenetic]
#23619683 - 09/06/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How much better is a dehydrator, compared to air-drying in front of a fan in a low-humidity environment? I'm not doubting the logic, but is the difference negligible? I'm just talking basic cubes too, not the exotic stuff mentioned above.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: user265896]
#23619741 - 09/06/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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A fan can never get mushrooms all the way dry, so, they're in completely different races. For fan drying, the finish line ends up at about 90-95% dry, which leaves plenty of room for potency to deteriorate. For dehydrators, they get 100% dry, and you can store them in an airtight container without worrying about them losing potency.
It's worth mentioning that states of in between dryness make it damn near impossible to figure out an accurate dosage. You might think you got 2 ounces dry out of your grow, but it might only be 1.7 ounces if it were dried all the way, or less. I like to take a gram and actually experience effects. 
You'll also have a really bad time if you put mushrooms that aren't completely dry in the freezer. Doesn't take a degree in physics to guess what expanding ice crystals do to fungal tissue.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: user265896]
#23619744 - 09/06/16 08:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just get the dehydrator. Theres a reason its the standard method for drying.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: SpinScratch]
#23619795 - 09/06/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds like I'll start looking into dehydrators then. Not to mention, I've always wanted to make my own beef jerky!
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: user265896]
#23619802 - 09/06/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good for fruit also
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: user265896]
#23619976 - 09/06/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
user265896 said: How much better is a dehydrator, compared to air-drying in front of a fan in a low-humidity environment? I'm not doubting the logic, but is the difference negligible? I'm just talking basic cubes too, not the exotic stuff mentioned above.
A lot better, get the dehydrator
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23620009 - 09/06/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I saw someone say to set it to 150+ degrees, and also another mention of 170. What is the ideal temp? I'm sure I'll research more, but it'll be nice to get a ballpark number from u guys.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: user265896]
#23620027 - 09/06/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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As high as it'll go. 150F-180F are all pretty reasonable temp. I'm not sure how high it takes to physically burn them but it doesn't happen at 165F and people with stronger dehydrators than mine don't seem to have issues. I should think up to 190F is okay. Maybe even hotter than that, since boiling point is otherwise fine. Discoloration could become an issue though.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: Inocuole]
#23620111 - 09/06/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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good info, thanks
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: user265896]
#23620239 - 09/06/16 10:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I seem to remember reading that temperatures up to 300 degrees F were acceptable and wouldn't affect potency, but that boiling point for water was advised as the upper limit for safety's sake.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: r.lutece]
#23620414 - 09/06/16 11:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those 300F degree temps were in hot oil though, and boiling water is, well, water. Dry heat at such temperatures could cause some charring I'd imagine. It does to frozen pizzas. However high the dehydrator goes will be an approved temp for drying food though so..
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: Inocuole]
#23620604 - 09/07/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've noticed a loss of potency when using my forge to dry my fruits
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: liloldme]
#23621530 - 09/07/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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liloldme said: I've noticed a loss of potency when using my forge to dry my fruits
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: r.lutece]
#23622095 - 09/07/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey guys, not meaning to thread-jack or be aggravating, but can anyone point out the best dehydrator off this Overstock link? I'm only considering the top 3 rows (there's 12 for $40-60 or so, not spending more than that) - THANKS!
http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/dehydrator,/k,/1/store.html?sort=Price%20Low%20-%20High
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: user265896]
#23622121 - 09/07/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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nesco 42.49?
also head to a thrift store. they always have one it seems
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: mushboy]
#23622163 - 09/07/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If the nesco gets the job done, I'm good with that price. Oh and if I could find something cheaper at a thrift store, I'd go that route, but I'm a little strapped for cash ATM. I have an Overstock card though, to rack up more debt unfortunately haha (they're pretty easy to get with so-so credit too - just throwing that out there )
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: user265896]
#23622176 - 09/07/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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dude that's horrible advice IDK that specific card but most of those buy now pay later things makes your shit twice as expensive in the long run!
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: spacechildo]
#23622200 - 09/07/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It depends how [ir]responsible you want to be with it lol. They usually give you 6-12 months with zero interest, and after that, you're looking at roughly 2% of your balance for interest each month. It really isn't much, compared to other routes of borrowing cash. Oh and good cards give you rewards for merely using the card. I have a Citi card that I've made $50 off this year already (which is definitely more than I've been charged in interest). As long as you can make the minimum payment each month, (usually $25) then it's a beneficial thing to build credit IMO.
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: user265896]
#23622205 - 09/07/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow! 'murica huh?
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: spacechildo]
#23622222 - 09/07/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i was a manager for a rent to own business. i would generate $2,400+ over two years on a tv that cost about $800.
talk about 'MERICA bro. vote quimby 2016
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: mushboy]
#23622229 - 09/07/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"rent to own" is a scam for people with no credit IMO. If you're being charged anything close to 30% APR [2.5% per month], then you're getting hosed and most likely have bad to no credit. Gotta start somewhere though!
EDIT: and if anyone with no credit is wondering where to start - putting $300 down on a secured Capital One card is the way to go. You're only spending your own money at that point, but within 2-3 months of light use, you'll have a credit score and the offers start coming in. Gotta be mature with it though!
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: user265896]
#23622343 - 09/07/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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nice, thanks. I have no credit, always cash for everything. even my jeep. I thought it was a good idea but now I want a house and it's impossible without credit (or enough cash).
Prepaid cc, here I come!
(sorry this has nothing to due with cultivation)
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Re: Drying with an inert gas? [Re: Kenetic]
#23622360 - 09/07/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha I'm the thread-jacker jerk I guess
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