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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23617715 - 09/06/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OK I found the article again is from a website called Nobarack if that is any indication of their slant. It says that Dunham was only in Hawaii for one holiday season (see themes in photos) during which she was pregnant. The whole thing seems suspect to me other than it shows that the woman in the photos doesn't look like Marcy Moore.
I would say to look at closeups of all three women and I surmise you will determine as I have that they are in fact three different women.


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: falsereality]
    #23617716 - 09/06/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Post a link/source to this quote, OP


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Crystal G]
    #23617727 - 09/06/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So, this is all the information about the matter written by an attorney who was also the author for the book "Bullspotting," which is a book that is about how to spot hoaxes:

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Since their original appearance in 2008, some have attempted to debunk the photos by identifying the model. This has proven fruitless, and unsurprisingly so; many mid-century nude and fetish models were nameless faces, anonymous to the world at large.

To his credit, Gilbert did somehow locate additional photos of the mystery woman he claims is Ann. And as noted above, he named several magazines where he claims they appeared. Both on his website and in Dreams, he shows the covers of six specific issues, and the website (on the right) flatly states "Frank Marshall Davis' photos of Ann Dunham appear in these vintage men's magazines." The magazines Gilbert shows are:

Exotique #2
Exotique #4
Exotique #6
Exotique #14
Secret Pleasures
Battling Babes
Bizarre Life #9

The last three magazines were published in 1958, 1957, and 1969, respectively. Exotique was published between 1955 and 1959.

Curiously, though, the pictures Gilbert shows appear in NONE of the issues he identifies. I consulted with the owner of a fansite for these magazines, who checked and confirmed that Gilbert's photos are nowhere to be seen in these issues. I personally reviewed copies of Exotique #14, Battling Babes and Secret Pleasures, and they included NO pictures of the mystery model.

What Secret Pleasures DID feature, on page 26, was this photo:


Who is the woman? I have no idea. But look at the chair she's seated on. At the pillow in the chair. At the window behind her. At the record player to her right, and the records peeking out below her leg. At the cabinet behind her, and at the floor beneath her. Look familiar?

 
That's right, it's the exact same setting as the 'Ann' photos. Published in a 1958 men's magazine. And it's not the only one. From Exotique #25, pages 7 and 40, respectively:

 
Again, does that setting look familiar? Same couch, same floor, same picture on the wall, even the same random pillow arrangement on top of the couch as seen in other photos in Gilbert's videos. The woman is even wearing the same spiked-ball earrings as Gilbert's 'Ann'. Who is she? I don't know, but she looks an awful lot like the woman who appears with Gilbert's 'Ann' in several photos in his movie.

Now granted, these photos alone don't prove that the mystery model couldn't be Ann. Perhaps Davis took these in 1958, and he didn't change the arrangement of his room for two years. That's odd, and hardly the most compelling explanation, but it's not impossible. (Even though Gilbert himself would likely concede that these are from the same photoshoot.)

Unfortunately for Gilbert, that's not all. Further up this post, there's a screenshot of Gilbert's own website, with a video still that shows the woman he claims is 'Ann' sitting on a couch, pulling a black opera glove onto her left arm. That image appears in Gilbert's Dreams and in his promotional videos as well, but he's never released a full-size copy of that photo.

I found one, however:

This picture appeared in Exotique #23, on page 22. In 1958. When Ann Dunham was only 15 years old. Two years before Ann Dunham even moved to Hawaii.

It can also be found reprinted in volume 2 of the 3-volume Exotique hardcover collection.

We may never know who the mystery model is. But the Dunham family didn't move to Hawaii until the summer of 1960. Unless Ann Dunham had access to a time machine in the 1960s, it simply cannot be her.

Moreover, Joel Gilbert knows this. He found that opera glove photo; it was not circulating the web as an 'Ann' photo prior to his videos. He knows it came from Exotique, a magazine that ceased publication in 1959. From WND: "Gilbert found that several of the photos in the collection appeared in a magazine called Exotique, published by pin-up photographer Leonard Burtman, who worked in New York City."

Thus he knows this picture was published two years before Ann first stepped foot in Hawaii, years before she could have met Frank Marshall Davis. And yet he explicitly claims, multiple times, that the photo was TAKEN at Christmastime 1960. This is not a lie of ignorance or mistake; it is a lie of pure, fully-informed malice.

And that's the BEST-case scenario for Gilbert. Gilbert knows that Ann was born in 1942, and he knows he found these pictures in 1958 magazines. If Gilbert truly believes that these ARE somehow pictures of a 15-year-old Ann, then he's been distributing hundreds of thousands of DVDs featuring nude and erotic pictures of someone he believes to be an underage girl.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, Gilbert has thus far refused to disclose the actual sources of the erotic photos he put in his videos. He identified six issues, none of which checked out, and five of which contradict his 1960 date anyway. As shown above, to disclose the true issues would be to destroy his own claim that the photos are of Ann, and to let his audience know that he's lying to them. And so he refuses to cite his sources, even when they're just magazine issue numbers.

So there you have it. The people who've said 'Frank Davis took naked pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham in December of 1960' are provably wrong. The woman they claim is Ann was having her photographs from this very shoot published at least as early as 1958. When Ann was a 15-year-old in Washington, years before she ever stepped foot on Hawaii or could have conceivably even met Frank Marshall Davis. Joel Gilbert has unnecessarily obscured the actual publication dates of the pictures he found, because he knows those simple facts will prove to everyone that he's lying about them being taken in 1960, and lying about Frank Marshall Davis taking them of Ann, and lying about them being evidence of an intimate relationship between Frank and Ann.




Read the rest and see the picture evidence here:

http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2012/10/fever-dreams-from-my-real-father-1-nude.html


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Crystal G]
    #23617732 - 09/06/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

By the way, here is a picture of Marcy Moore for comparison. I don't think it's her either, but it's important to post because many people can have similar faces



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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Crystal G]
    #23617794 - 09/06/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
hahaha... where did yo come up with this bullshit?




That's one of the first things that's constantly and always taught in journalism schools. Any journalist will tell you that.




Eh, don't be naive. I studied journalism myself and its true that we're taught to look into sources extensively, right from the beginning, but that doesn't mean people do that in practice. Dishonesty, sensationalism and lazy incompetence run rampant in the industry.


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23617804 - 09/06/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Leave it to a commie to confuse the difference between what's supposed to happen and what actually happens.


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23618000 - 09/06/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

One could easily invert that statement


Quote:

PeyoteZen said:
Leave it to a libertarian to confuse the difference between what's supposed to happen and what actually happens.




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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23618198 - 09/06/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Repertoire89 said:
Eh, don't be naive. I studied journalism myself and its true that we're taught to look into sources extensively, right from the beginning, but that doesn't mean people do that in practice. Dishonesty, sensationalism and lazy incompetence run rampant in the industry.




I'm sure that there are some smaller zines and blogs that have journalists doing lazy reporting. But if a reporter at a big news station like CNN or ABC or whatever failed to do research and brought forth a picture or a video or some piece of evidence and it turned out to be a fake, I'm pretty certain they would get canned.

They certainly sensationalize pieces or might twist around the story behind a piece, but they cannot bring forth a completely fabricated piece of evidence and call it evidence. So you would never see a legitimate news journalist reporting on a hoax as if it were a real piece of evidence.


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Crystal G]
    #23618230 - 09/06/16 01:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Stop trying to ruin my fantasy. I want to believe that is Obama's momma and I want to bang her. :crankey:


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Shroomslip]
    #23619914 - 09/06/16 09:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Its so obvious mickel is pretending to be chick,look degenrate ellen show,cock on display in white pants,new world order,no more cash allowed only debit ,cc,revolution time,real talk,me ready,ape gene


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: 5150]
    #23619950 - 09/06/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's a pretty succinct summary of the whole Rosetta Stone.


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Great Scott]
    #23620030 - 09/06/16 09:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

is any pics of mickel obama in existence ,pregnant I meen,test tube? Odopted? Mikel has cock,says on grylis vido,and spek at chicenhawk ceremoney


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: 5150]
    #23620089 - 09/06/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Its so obvious mickel is pretending to be chick,look degenrate ellen show,cock on display in white pants,new world order,no more cash allowed only debit ,cc,revolution time,real talk,me ready,ape gene




The fuck are you on and can I have some?


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Crystal G]
    #23620405 - 09/06/16 11:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Crystal G said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
hahaha... where did yo come up with this bullshit?




That's one of the first things that's constantly and always taught in journalism schools. Any journalist will tell you that.





is it quickly followed by "disregard that because journalism has lost it's
integrity, you're all just gossiping bloggers so fucking deal with it"?

it's like an interview at McDonalds

Manager: "what do you say if a customer ask for a milk shake?"
Applicant: "sorry sir, the machine is broken"
Manager: "WELCOME ABOARD!"

One of the unwritten rules of the internet is that you cannot fabricate or publish
evidence that is not real or authentic or all based on a lie.


it's true, it's on the internet


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Crystal G]
    #23620409 - 09/06/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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By the way, here is a picture of Marcy Moore for comparison. I don't think it's her either, but it's important to post because many people can have similar faces







yeah but her tits are bigger and shaped differently and she doesnt look like the Obama Mamma


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23620427 - 09/06/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah but her tits are bigger and shaped differently and she doesnt look like the Obama Mamma




You should look at this attorney who investigated the filmmaker's claims, that he had found Obama's mom in these magazines. He went through and located these exact magazine editions and found no such pictures of this mystery woman's pictures in existence in any of those magazines they claimed to have been sourced from.

It is therefore wise to exercise caution when believing something which the originator fails to provide an accurate source for. It is likely he doesn't want to provide the real source from where he lifted the pictures, because then people would find out that he is lying about the identity of the woman: http://barackryphal.blogspot.com/2012/10/fever-dreams-from-my-real-father-1-nude.html


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Crystal G]
    #23620433 - 09/07/16 12:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It is therefore wise to exercise caution when believing something which the originator fails to provide an accurate source for.






such as requiring me to ask a Urinalism student if they're obligated to be 100% truthful in the stories they print?


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23620441 - 09/07/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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such as requiring me to ask a Urinalism student if they're obligated to be 100% truthful in the stories they print?




Ethically-speaking, they are supposed to. I guarantee you any journalist working for any major news corporation that has a reputation and name to uphold, wouldn't tolerate the spreading of hoaxes presented as fact. If a journalist tried to pull that and it eventually came out that it was a hoax, they'd be fired.

Hence why no major newspaper ever covered the story about Obama's supposed porn star mother, because this would be exactly the type of shit tabloids and conservative news outlets would eat up and blast for ratings if it were indeed true.

Otherwise every photoshopped or doctored photo of some famous celebrity or politician in the nude or in a porno would be blasted all over the media. No, instead the media doesn't use this crap because the photos and evidence aren't authentic.


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Crystal G]
    #23620532 - 09/07/16 01:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

How they get they pussy so pink like that?


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Re: Obama cancels meeting after Philippines president calls him 'son of a whore' [Re: Great Scott]
    #23620541 - 09/07/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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That's just how these libertine commies roll. And it's hard to really know for sure where Obama is really from since the public record got destroyed/altered and replaced with forgery.



You are actually slowly making me want to vote for Hillary because you're such a presumptuous ass about it and I think you strongly reflect the average trump supporter. You know best and everyone else can fuck off.


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