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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Great Scott]
    #23617142 - 09/06/16 06:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it's ok, eventually the Punisher will get assassinated, because in the Philippines they aren't a bunch of pussies, and their leaders already get blasted all the time.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
    #23617166 - 09/06/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So it saves some people. What about the thousands of others who are killed? What about their families?

You're talking about saving a small good at the risk and peril of the greater good here.




Most of the people killed were probably already dead inside and causing problems in their society. I have never been to the Philippines and have no idea how toxic the drug culture is there. People voted for this guy so who am I to judge?

Some addicts need to hit rock bottom to change. The threat of being killed is one hell of a rock bottom. If you are going to do a war on drugs you might as well play it all the way through.




The harder drugs that carry more of a risk for addiction also tend to be the ones that can kill you. I don't think we need to add life imprisonment or the threat of being murdered by the government to 'reasons to quit'


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein] * 2
    #23617202 - 09/06/16 07:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If you want to help people get clean, they have to want to get clean, why not take the large amounts of money that they're spending on incarcerating and in this case, killing them, and put it towards addictions programs and rehabs for cheap costs, start treating it as a medical problem rather then a crime that way the people who want to stay idiots have that choice and the people who actually want help have options.




Protip: war on drugs always attacked the demand, rarely the supply. The Philippine tactics are going after both the supply and demand. It logically makes more sense if your goal is to stop people from doing drugs. I think people should be free but that's my opinion.





The phillipines' tactics are counter intuitive to the actual problem at hand. It's been shown across the globe that making drugs illegal actually causes many of the problems we see in society - the war on drugs is more harmful to our society than the drugs themselves. In places where drugs are legal, profit margins for organized crime and the cartels is reduced and the deaths and violence also goes down, as well as overdoses and things of that nature. In Portugal, they saw a reduction of use and overdoses as result of decriming heroin and other places and providing clean needles to the people, in a sort of 'if you're going to use, we aren't going to stop you but you're going to do it safely' sort of manner, and i'm sure there are plenty of treatment options in place for those that do want to get better. In colorado, violence went down, teen use went down, and money was allocated into drug treatment and education as well when marijuana was legalized. Harm reduction is a far more sensible policy than the drug laws we've seen in place and being implemented in asia and  are far better for human rights as a whole than putting people to death for simply using a drug  or even trafficking.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Crystal G]
    #23617217 - 09/06/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
So it saves some people. What about the thousands of others who are killed? What about their families?





what about them?

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You're talking about saving a small good at the risk and peril of the greater good here.




what's the greater good?

if, as the article claims, 600,000 people have turned themselves in for treatment
and 1300 were killed, which of these numbers are greater and which are smaller
and how do you know which is the greater good and the smaller good?


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23617225 - 09/06/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

ahhhhhh *breathes deep* utilitarianism.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #23617235 - 09/06/16 07:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Killing people for any reason is fucking wrong






what about in self defense or the defense of others?


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: 404]
    #23617239 - 09/06/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Plus the war on drugs is a UN Agenda. In other words, a dirty jew trick (if you believe in that sort of thing). You would think that a goose-stepping master problem solver would make the connection or at least recognize the irony. :facepalm3:


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Great Scott]
    #23617246 - 09/06/16 07:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Clearly none of you guys have dealt with addicts or been one. It is not something to be taken lightly. If these policies stop even a thousand people from using those are a thousand lives saved.



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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23617248 - 09/06/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
So it saves some people. What about the thousands of others who are killed? What about their families?





what about them?

Quote:

You're talking about saving a small good at the risk and peril of the greater good here.




what's the greater good?

if, as the article claims, 600,000 people have turned themselves in for treatment
and 1300 were killed, which of these numbers are greater and which are smaller
and how do you know which is the greater good and the smaller good?






Justifying saving people people by killing others when there are better morrally sound ways of doing it without killing them is unnacceptable


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
    #23617253 - 09/06/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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shekelstein said:
Clearly none of you guys have dealt with addicts or been one. It is not something to be taken lightly. If these policies stop even a thousand people from using those are a thousand lives saved.







See above post. Your logic has failed you... Either that or you aren't reading anyone's arguments.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: 404]
    #23617260 - 09/06/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You need to consider the mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, teachers, ect. that are all affected by these addictions. It's not just one person.

Clearly everyone should be free but do addicts truly have free will to just stop?


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
    #23617264 - 09/06/16 07:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Clearly none of you guys have dealt with addicts or been one.



Man you have so much to learn about the Shroomery. I find quite immature, foolish, and insulting that you come here for a day and make a statement like that. You'll find, if you hang around and stop being such an ass, that there are many ex-addicts here, with more life experience than you could possibly imagine based on the tone of your posts.

What are you, 15?


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
    #23617267 - 09/06/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You still haven't addressed anything i've said in the thread, starting to think you're just trolling.

>>Justifying saving people people by killing others when there are better morrally sound ways of doing it without killing them is unnacceptable.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: 404] * 1
    #23617275 - 09/06/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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starting to think you're just trolling.




What was your first clue? :strokebeard:


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: 404]
    #23617278 - 09/06/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
So it saves some people. What about the thousands of others who are killed? What about their families?





what about them?

Quote:

You're talking about saving a small good at the risk and peril of the greater good here.




what's the greater good?

if, as the article claims, 600,000 people have turned themselves in for treatment
and 1300 were killed, which of these numbers are greater and which are smaller
and how do you know which is the greater good and the smaller good?






Justifying saving people people by killing others when there are better morrally sound ways of doing it without killing them is unnacceptable





if a man is attacking my children and I kill that man, is it justifiable in order to save my children?


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Great Scott]
    #23617279 - 09/06/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I said first and foremost I believe in freedom to do whatever you want, BUT if your goal is to stop all drug use this is a far more effective method than the war on drugs in the States. How is this trolling?


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
    #23617280 - 09/06/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

#AddictLivesMatter


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23617283 - 09/06/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pris, you're baiting.

OP, you need to get the fuck off a drugs forum and go join a political party, the police force, or some dogmatic religion. You don't belong here.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23617284 - 09/06/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ins't that a straw man argument? We are talking about drug use and addiction and how to deal with it, not stand your ground laws. Don't worry, i'm sure there will be a police shooting or murder thread soon enough given how often they occur where you can rightfully argue that point of view.


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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23617285 - 09/06/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ibogaine the fuck outta' them.

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