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60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines
#23616783 - 09/06/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691692/Drug-addicts-Philippines-surrender-authorities-president-Rodrigo-Duterte-urges-citizens-ahead-kill-drug-users-dealers.html
- Philippines president Rodrigo Duterte, dubbed 'The Punisher', has waged a war on drugs throughout the country - After winning elections in May this year he has urged citizens to kill suspected drug users and dealers - Police have confirmed killing more than 110 drug suspects since the president came to power - Communications Office Secretary Martin Andanar said 60,000 drug dependents have surrendered to authorities
How is this a bad thing? I understand the war on drugs is a retarded, but at least these policies are actually detracting some people from using hard drugs like heroin and meth.
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Edited by shekelstein (09/06/16 01:22 AM)
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
#23616792 - 09/06/16 01:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Duterte Youth are all on board with this. It'll be fine.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Great Scott]
#23616801 - 09/06/16 01:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If people with addictions genuinely are deterred from these policies though I think it is at least helping people. I would rather have no war on drugs at all but if you do it you might as well go to full on death squads so that nobody dares to touch any type of drug.
"MANILA — Rayzabell Bongol, an 18-year-old mother and methamphetamine user, was afraid to die in President Rodrigo Duterte’s war on drugs in the Philippines. So she turned herself in to the police. They made her sign a pledge that she would never take illegal drugs again, then sent her home.
Once a week now, she is expected to attend a police-sponsored Zumba dance workout, where she gets a health check and a meal. Mr. Duterte “promised change,” she said at a recent class as three dozen other recovering addicts bopped and swayed to a blaring Latin beat. “As you can see, I am changing.”
Across the Philippines, the killing of some 1,300 drug suspects in the last two months has frightened hundreds of thousands of people like Ms. Bongol into turning themselves in. Officials cite the estimated 687,000 people who have surrendered, which vastly exceeded expectations, as evidence that Mr. Duterte’s deadly campaign is succeeding."
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Edited by shekelstein (09/06/16 01:39 AM)
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein] 1
#23616806 - 09/06/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You get higher when you fear a death squad. It's like when you move out of your parents house and are free to get high guilt free, you no longer get as high. Paranoia makes your buzz better.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: my3rdeye]
#23616891 - 09/06/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you think in ANY way at all that this policy is good op, then you are a fucking retard.
Go live in the phillipines then if you like it. I'm sure this policy doesn't get abused in any way at all.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
#23616949 - 09/06/16 03:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That guy fucking sucks. Also, OP - how are you even trying to justify murder right now?? Killing people to reduce drug abuse is clearly the wrong way.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein] 1
#23617023 - 09/06/16 05:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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shekelstein said: How is this a bad thing?
How is killing people and punishing people for doing what they want to their own bodies a bad thing?
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At least these policies are actually detracting some people from using hard drugs like heroin and meth.
As shitty of a drug as it is to do, it should still be their choice whether they want to fuck themselves up with those drugs, as long as what you're doing is only harming you and not infringing upon the rights and freedoms of other people, it should be a choice, not a crime. In some sense I'd consider what they're doing to be an act of terrorism on their own people.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#23617037 - 09/06/16 05:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So it saves some people. What about the thousands of others who are killed? What about their families?
You're talking about saving a small good at the risk and peril of the greater good here.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Crystal G] 5
#23617055 - 09/06/16 05:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. Story linked in OP is from the Daily Mail. Since many here are not UK residents, let me inform you that this paper is well known here for being the most deceitful, propaganda spreading, disgusting and downright corrupt newspaper in the country
2. The whole argument stated here is fucking retarded. Killing people for any reason is fucking wrong, let alone for choosing to work in a business that is only so fucked up and full of death due to the fact that TPTB claim it is wrong, and have brainwashed the masses to believe it is so. If the governments of the world controlled the trade and said it was OK (as with the pharma industry, and all the people whos brains it fucks to shit), would we be questioning this?
3. NEWSFLASH: Humans, throughout the course of history, have always used drugs, and will likely always continue to do so.
4. The war on drugs failed the moment it started. The whole thing is based on lies. Read this if you want to learn about them: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Chasing-Scream-First-Last-Drugs/dp/1408857839
5. Lets start using some fucking common sense people. The man, Rodrigo Duterte, dubbed 'The Punisher', is clearly fucking mentally retarded, and is just a product of 'The System'.
6. If you would like me to continue, give me a couple of upvotes. I can think of at least a dozen more reasons this shit is morally, spiritually, emotionally, and basically, on every level, WRONG.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Crystal G]
#23617056 - 09/06/16 05:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: So it saves some people. What about the thousands of others who are killed? What about their families?
You're talking about saving a small good at the risk and peril of the greater good here.
Most of the people killed were probably already dead inside and causing problems in their society. I have never been to the Philippines and have no idea how toxic the drug culture is there. People voted for this guy so who am I to judge?
Some addicts need to hit rock bottom to change. The threat of being killed is one hell of a rock bottom. If you are going to do a war on drugs you might as well play it all the way through.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
#23617057 - 09/06/16 05:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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See post above.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#23617069 - 09/06/16 05:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I get the sense that he's a final solution kind of guy.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein] 2
#23617072 - 09/06/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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shekelstein said:
The threat of being killed is one hell of a rock bottom.
And also comes off like terrorism, are you for governments using terrorism and fear against their own people to get their way? There shouldn't be a war on drugs ever and throughout history all prohibition has done is prove you can't stop people from doing what they want to themselves and shouldn't try because as history has shown, it just makes the problem worse.
You should always have the right to be the biggest idiot you want to be as long as you being an idiot doesn't interfere with the rights and freedoms of other people. Until then, it's none of your business what they choose to do regardless of how you feel about it.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
#23617076 - 09/06/16 06:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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shekelstein said: If you are going to do a war on drugs you might as well play it all the way through.
But what about if that war can never be won. How can it ever be seen through?
It's like saying lets wage a war on emotions. Might we as well 'play it all the way through'? Ever read '1984' by Orwell or seen the film 'Equilibrium'?
I'm beginning to get the feeling OP is
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Great Scott]
#23617078 - 09/06/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Officials cite the estimated 687,000 people who have surrendered, which vastly exceeded expectations, as evidence that Mr. Duterte’s deadly campaign is succeeding."
Honestly, looks to me like his policies have been more effective than the American war on drugs at a much lower cost.
I am not arguing for a war on drugs, just trying to understand the general perspective of the people of Philippines. For all we know half the people there could be shooting up meth and heroin. If this helps them get clean then congrats. I obviously don't think this is the best way though.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
#23617082 - 09/06/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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OP has a 1 Shroom rating, has been a member for 1 day only, and a picture of a Aryan 'Hitler Youth' as his avatar. Along with this thread, my suspicions are heightened. What is your agenda here OP???
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#23617083 - 09/06/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you want to help people get clean, they have to want to get clean, why not take the large amounts of money that they're spending on incarcerating and in this case, killing them, and put it towards addictions programs and rehabs for cheap costs, start treating it as a medical problem rather then a crime that way the people who want to stay idiots have that choice and the people who actually want help have options.
edit: Actually I feel dumb now for not thinking the OP was trolling especially with his post count and that avatar, almost definitely a puppet/troll
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#23617090 - 09/06/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: If you want to help people get clean, they have to want to get clean, why not take the large amounts of money that they're spending on incarcerating and in this case, killing them, and put it towards addictions programs and rehabs for cheap costs, start treating it as a medical problem rather then a crime that way the people who want to stay idiots have that choice and the people who actually want help have options.
Protip: war on drugs always attacked the demand, rarely the supply. The Philippine tactics are going after both the supply and demand. It logically makes more sense if your goal is to stop people from doing drugs. I think people should be free but that's my opinion.
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
#23617091 - 09/06/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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conveniently all regime critics and opposition was killed aswell
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Re: 60,000 people turn themselves in to authorities in the Philippines [Re: shekelstein]
#23617098 - 09/06/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's only a great idea so long as you're not the one on the extermination list. This type of governing is effective but cruel. If we weren't talking murdering human beings here and instead applied this type of model to killing micro-organisms or something, then that'd be different story, Jugend.
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