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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23652169 - 09/17/16 04:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks mate, I appreciate that

:fonz:

I think the ignorance in the US comes largely from the US media, which is even more restricted in some regards than the Israeli. It reduces the narrative to a false binary of either being blindly for Israel in giving it carte blanche for anything they like, or being against Israel meaning destruction and genocide of Jews.

lol at viktor thinking rockets come from the west bank. All international media is more spun than the israeli media. The expression "rockets raining down on Isaeli towns" etc is so often repeated all over the world then it makes it seems that Israel is attacked on all sides, when the opposite is true. In fact its interesting when the Israeli state comes out with these criticisms about Palestinians because its more true of Israelis. eg. Netanyahu saying that dismantling settlements is ethnic cleansing against Israel. Chutspah to the max!!!!:lol:


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Tipote]
    #23715556 - 10/07/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

elax...

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Do you struggle to #standwithisrael when Israeli society is actually very divided. Perhaps it seems like a united picture from the outside in the filtered US media, but even the Israeli media talk openly about these huge divisions even within Jewish Israeli society. So which aspect do you #standwith?




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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #24883872 - 01/01/18 08:19 PM (6 years, 29 days ago)

I already knew it was bad, reading about it in detail makes me intensely angry. Thanks for sharing Tipote.


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: viktor] * 1
    #24884791 - 01/02/18 10:51 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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Did you get to fire any rockets at Israel?

And were the locals happy to hear about your efforts to open Europe up to Islamic invasion and conquest?





i thought you hated jews because of circumsition? you are very, very wierd


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
    #24884799 - 01/02/18 11:00 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

Thanks a lot for the post Tip, really interresting. I have never really looked deep into this issue, I knew it was bad but i didnt really have any idea what happes on a day to day basis. Fucked up Shit


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: MushiesAreVegan] * 1
    #24886066 - 01/02/18 09:01 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

Thanks guys I really appreciate that.
Coming from bodhi that means a lot to me but I fear his enthusiasm comes from anti-Semitism when it should come from anti Zionism, anti-impérialism etc

The day to day occupation is treated like it doesn't exist. Even many israelis say it doesn't exist, they flip it around and say the Palestinians occupy them. And then when Palestinians stand up for their rights they are called an obstacle to peace who should just shut up and submit fully to domination.

The occupier/occupied power relationship is never touched upon.. especially by the US media. It's always like the trumpian "violence of both sides" pseudo symmetry.

Israeli projection is strong.
Israel says Palestinians want to wipe them off the map when that is exactly what is happening to Palestine.
Israel says Palestinians don't want peace when all the evidence is to the contrary.
I spoke to an Israeli kid yesterday on twitter and he believed that the occupation was because of terror, not the other way around. Maybe day is night and white is black in his mind too.

It's sad also because the many Israelis that support the dismantling of this brutal occupation and colonisation are treated and silenced as traitors. Interesting to hear from the so called democracy of the middle East.

I'll have to reread my OP to remember what I said exactly but if you have any questions I'll do my best to answer.


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: MushiesAreVegan]
    #24886088 - 01/02/18 09:11 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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Did you get to fire any rockets at Israel?

And were the locals happy to hear about your efforts to open Europe up to Islamic invasion and conquest?





i thought you hated jews because of circumsition? you are very, very wierd




Viktor might as well put his circumcision rants in his signature. The cognitive dissonance of hating Jews but loving Jewish fascists is interesting. They like Israel because they hate Muslims. If Netanyahu cared about anti-Semitism then he would be more vocal and concerned about some forces empowering trump. Shared dehumanisation of Muslims (and others)and love of authoritarianism binds the two.

Also worth mentioning the irony of all the blind Christian support for Israel when Israel is brutal to Christian palestinians.

World is fukt up


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Tipote]
    #24886105 - 01/02/18 09:20 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

You confuse semitism for being a race when its really religious retardation. Theyre zealots, and thats what I dislike.


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Tipote]
    #24886168 - 01/02/18 09:47 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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Did you get to fire any rockets at Israel?

And were the locals happy to hear about your efforts to open Europe up to Islamic invasion and conquest?





i thought you hated jews because of circumsition? you are very, very wierd




Viktor might as well put his circumcision rants in his signature. The cognitive dissonance of hating Jews but loving Jewish fascists is interesting. They like Israel because they hate Muslims. If Netanyahu cared about anti-Semitism then he would be more vocal and concerned about some forces empowering trump. Shared dehumanisation of Muslims (and others)and love of authoritarianism binds the two.

Also worth mentioning the irony of all the blind Christian support for Israel when Israel is brutal to Christian palestinians.

World is fukt up




Find a post of mine where I express love for Israel, or admit you're a liar.


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: viktor]
    #24886201 - 01/02/18 10:03 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

I wasn't referring to you individually. I was speaking generally of racists and fascists admiring Israeli fascism. I don't think I said Viktor loves israel.

And I don't really mean that Nazis actually love Israel, more that they ally with them because of shared interests and admiration of their unapologetic brutality against otherised peoples. Once those interests are over then the focus will be back on Jews AND Muslims.


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #24886231 - 01/02/18 10:22 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

The only people on Earth worse than Israelis are their neighbours. I hope both sides mutually annihilate each other.


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: viktor]
    #24886241 - 01/02/18 10:29 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

Anywhere these stupid fucking supremacist religions meet themselves or others theres conflict (Judaism and Islam). If the world could rid itself of them humanity would be at peace for a very long period of time.


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: viktor]
    #24886246 - 01/02/18 10:31 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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The only people on Earth worse than Israelis are their neighbours. I hope both sides mutually annihilate each other.



Thank you for supporting my argument


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #24886253 - 01/02/18 10:37 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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Anywhere these stupid fucking religions meet themselves or others theres conflict (Judaism and Islam). If the world could rid itself of them humanity would be at peace for a very long period of time.




This is simplistic at best. You've swallowed the "this conflict has gone on for millennia" myth.

How come, before Israel, Jerusalem has been shared for so long?

Politics, not religious difference, accounts for the vast majority of conflict.

Your "genocide will bring peace" argument is telling. Also always surprising considering you're native American...


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Tipote]
    #24886290 - 01/02/18 10:48 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

Israel and middle eastern countries are all theocratic governments. You cant argue against it being purely political when the government itself is an extension of the religious affiliations of its citizens.


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24886311 - 01/02/18 10:57 PM (6 years, 28 days ago)

All Abrahamic religions are murderous death cults. They should be exterminated like the British dealt to the Thuggee cult in India.


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24886450 - 01/03/18 12:46 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

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Israel and middle eastern countries are all theocratic governments. You cant argue against it being purely political when the government itself is an extension of the religious affiliations of its citizens.





rojava in kurdish syria isnt theocratic, nor is it authoritarian. Men and women are equal (probably more equal than in the west), decisions are made in a direct democratic manner by councils, and there is (almost) no hierarchical organisation. Woman and men share the military duty to fight daesh and turkish fascism.

Police are abolished as an institution, as every citizen gets poilce training during education (wich is also nonhierarchical) and they take turns guarding their communities.

Its a multiethnic and religious place, but it seems like they dont go full theocratic. Why that? because they dont use religion as a diversion like the ruling classes elsewhere


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: MushiesAreVegan]
    #24886451 - 01/03/18 12:48 AM (6 years, 28 days ago)

There is no such thing as Kurdish Syria, sorry to break it to you.


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 1
    #24887072 - 01/03/18 10:04 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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There is no such thing as Kurdish Syria, sorry to break it to you.





https://syriancivilwarmap.com/

hm i wonder what the yellow occupied zones are? defenitely not held by a kurdish milita (nowadays with lots of arabs and other ethnicities aswell)

nothing to see here


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Re: Journey to the West Bank [Re: viktor]
    #24887179 - 01/03/18 10:50 AM (6 years, 27 days ago)

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Did you get to fire any rockets at Israel?

And were the locals happy to hear about your efforts to open Europe up to Islamic invasion and conquest?




have you stopped blowing fat, old retirees with cheesy dicks to earn money for fast food, yet?


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