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What are the downsides to skipping colonization?
    #23615733 - 09/05/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have read that waiting for colonization isn't really necessary and you can go strait to fruiting conditions in a monotub without any ill effects. Is this true, or are there downsides to it? By this I mean mixing spawn and coir, adding a casing layer and immediately starting with fruiting conditions.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23615751 - 09/05/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Where did you read that? That gives contaminants a chance to get a foothold on uncolonized substrate. You may get a few fruits if you're lucky, but why not wait that extra handful of days for an awesome pinset and much higher chances of second/third flush.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: literberry]
    #23615768 - 09/05/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: literberry]
    #23615775 - 09/05/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The downside are IMO you don't fully utilize all the pinning triggers at the same time resulting in flushes that are not as uniform or full.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: literberry]
    #23615790 - 09/05/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Where did you read that? That gives contaminants a chance to get a foothold on uncolonized substrate. You may get a few fruits if you're lucky, but why not wait that extra handful of days for an awesome pinset and much higher chances of second/third flush.




I got the info from here,

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22315950


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: cronicr]
    #23615791 - 09/05/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Guess I'm behind on the times. I'll stick with good old spawn runs....


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: literberry]
    #23615890 - 09/05/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i am borderline testing this now with PE cakes that are about 95 and 90% colonized.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Noobtrip]
    #23615959 - 09/05/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's just not smart


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: cronicr]
    #23615999 - 09/05/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That's just not smart




I agree but they have been stalled for 1.5 weeks with no changes.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Noobtrip]
    #23616004 - 09/05/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Rinse the uncolonized spots off


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23616086 - 09/05/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I enjoy using this method, i got results like these from total neglect minus one misting when pins formed.


Set and forget.
Only downside i could think of is a little extra drying from fae,
i make casings thick(1/4in) and stuff the bottom holes tightly to `dial in`.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: filthyknees]
    #23616189 - 09/05/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Welp, I had enough substrate and spawn for two monotubs, so I made one with an immediate casing layer and introduced fruiting conditions and the other and I am letting colonize.



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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23616340 - 09/05/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I started doing this recently and have had extremely positive consistent results, also I have noticed nothing but uniform flushes from it.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23616359 - 09/05/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I started doing this recently and have had extremely positive consistent results, also I have noticed nothing but uniform flushes from it.





Did you add a casing layer?


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23616372 - 09/05/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I did started doing this when I was getting both weak flushes cased and uncased from this particular culture, it's bizzare but it has responded better to this method than any other so I have kept up with it.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: cronicr]
    #23616424 - 09/05/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i am borderline testing this now with PE cakes that are about 95 and 90% colonized.



not the same thing at all
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That's just not smart




I agree but they have been stalled for 1.5 weeks with no changes.



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Rinse the uncolonized spots off



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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: filthyknees]
    #23616870 - 09/06/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you do it this way why even do spawn? Why not just syringe directly to substrate?


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Noobtrip]
    #23616892 - 09/06/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i am borderline testing this now with PE cakes that are about 95 and 90% colonized.




The link says nothing about using uncolonized spawn.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Tira]
    #23617492 - 09/06/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I still think i see grain in your `cased` tub, the casing layer is supposed to be 1/4inches


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: KamikazeKush]
    #23617563 - 09/06/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If you do it this way why even do spawn? Why not just syringe directly to substrate?



In the fruiting at spawning method fully colonized grain is spawned to coir or pasteurized substrate. Uncolonized grain will contaminate, bulk sub without grain lacks nutrition to make big flushes. Mushrooms get most of their nutrition from the grain, bulk sub is more of a water supply than anything.

Fruiting at spawning has given me nothing but great results,

As said, uncolonized grain or cakes is not the same as bulk substrate, they will contaminate for sure if not colonized.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: KamikazeKush]
    #23617617 - 09/06/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If you do it this way why even do spawn? Why not just syringe directly to substrate?



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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23617983 - 09/06/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've got 8 weeks left on the lease in my apartment. Is that enough time to allow for colonization and fruiting or should I introduce fruiting in the other monotub as well?


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23618010 - 09/06/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Could probably get fruits from a new grow in that time.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23618051 - 09/06/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Would you guys say that skipping colonization increases potential for contamination during the colonization in the mono?  I'm doing a verm/coir one soon and am curious now that I read this thread which method to do first.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Shroomsh]
    #23618072 - 09/06/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Would you guys say that skipping colonization increases potential for contamination during the colonization in the mono?  I'm doing a verm/coir one soon and am curious now that I read this thread which method to do first.



No it reduces it


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23618108 - 09/06/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You're title is misleading in a pretty funny way.
You mean consolidation, right?

I'd say the biggest downside to skipping colonization is also skipping the mushroom growing part too.

Seriously though I let my tubs consolidate.  I never could get them to fruit faster anyway.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23618125 - 09/06/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23618126 - 09/06/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You're title is misleading in a pretty funny way.
You mean consolidation, right?

I'd say the biggest downside to skipping colonization is also skipping the mushroom growing part too.

Seriously though I let my tubs consolidate.  I never could get them to fruit faster anyway.



No. He meant colonization and used it correctly. We do not consolidate monotubs.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23618133 - 09/06/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

kenetic said:
You're title is misleading in a pretty funny way.
You mean consolidation, right?

I'd say the biggest downside to skipping colonization is also skipping the mushroom growing part too.

Seriously though I let my tubs consolidate.  I never could get them to fruit faster anyway.



No. He meant colonization and used it correctly. We do not consolidate monotubs.




I was assuming everyone was talking about the consolidation of the cakes before breaking up and adding to the monotub.  Now I'm a bit more confused than I previously was.  :goat:


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Shroomsh]
    #23618148 - 09/06/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Really?  Maybe I better re-read the post. 
Oh.  I get it now.  Title is still funny. 
Why not consolidate a tub?


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23618151 - 09/06/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Heh yeah me too, I didn't get it the first time either.  Well good to know!


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23618160 - 09/06/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure if OP or someone else asking Qs is a bit confused here,
you dont literally skip colonization, you let the tub colonize in a lower co2 environment than if you were to tape up the holes.
the sub still gets colonized by the grain spawn before it starts fruiting.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Shroomsh]
    #23618178 - 09/06/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

He is referring to colonization of a monotub after its been spawned.

We don't consolidate bulk because it doesn't need it. A bulk can be introduced to fruiting at any time from spawning to 100% colonization. It's not as nutrionally dense as BRF cakes so it doesn't need more time to consume the substrate and nutes.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23618200 - 09/06/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not sure if OP or someone else asking Qs is a bit confused here,
you dont literally skip colonization, you let the tub colonize in a lower co2 environment than if you were to tape up the holes.
the sub still gets colonized by the grain spawn before it starts fruiting.




I guess I should have phrased it as skipping colonization conditions, not skipping colonization.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23618217 - 09/06/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So am I understanding this differentiation fully now?  The distinction is between mixing your spawn in the mono and setting it up to fruit immediately versus mixing it and letting the mycelium run through the mono?

Or is it the a distinction of different processing for the same outcome?


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Shroomsh]
    #23618236 - 09/06/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Unrelated question,

The weather where I live is extremely dry(desert climate). Would it be a good idea to keep a cool mist humidifier running daily?


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23618247 - 09/06/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not sure if OP or someone else asking Qs is a bit confused here,
you dont literally skip colonization, you let the tub colonize in a lower co2 environment than if you were to tape up the holes.
the sub still gets colonized by the grain spawn before it starts fruiting.




I guess I should have phrased it as skipping colonization conditions, not skipping colonization.




if anything low co2 levels during colonization IS best for colonization, but it also makes the myc eat more of the grain spawn before it starts fruiting (the process called consolidation)

when we use high spawn ratios it doesnt really mattermuch in the end afterall, most these subs are exhausted before all the nutrition gets used anyway.


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    #23618251 - 09/06/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So am I understanding this differentiation fully now?  The distinction is between mixing your spawn in the mono and setting it up to fruit immediately versus mixing it and letting the mycelium run through the mono?

Or is it the a distinction of different processing for the same outcome?




The discussion is about whether or not skipping the step in a monotub grow where you tape the holes shut and give it time to colonize the full substrate before adding the polyfill has a significant impact on growth potential of the mushrooms.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23618298 - 09/06/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23618314 - 09/06/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Unrelated question,

The weather where I live is extremely dry(desert climate). Would it be a good idea to keep a cool mist humidifier running daily?




FrankH suggests humidifiers in the grow room, but healso uses a fan.
try first with no fan and stuff the poly a little tighter than you normally see done here.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23618321 - 09/06/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I might do that just because I don't think I have any suitable tape for the holes.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Shroomsh] * 1
    #23618327 - 09/06/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This thread is taking bites out of my faith in people's reading comprehension...


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Inocuole]
    #23618361 - 09/06/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Good info though :thumbup:


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Terpfreak]
    #23618371 - 09/06/16 02:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I know what he meant I was trying to be funny.  Joke's on me apparently


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Kenetic]
    #23618486 - 09/06/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nah, jokes on everybody, with the amount of confusion this thread was able to produce, there's enough laughs to go around for everyone.

On topic though, a legit problem with this method is that my duct tape has started to feel seriously neglected, it leaves me all these texts and voicemails and checks the read receipts and everything, like we sleep together or some shit.  Anyway, I haven't taped for the spawn run since the first time I tried without and things went well. :shrug:  I'll have to remember to do it again with other species.  Gonna feel dumb as fuck if I forget and I'm growing some pans or whatever and I'm all like "guys what's wrong with my substrate??"


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