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Mad Season
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: KamikazeKush]
#23617617 - 09/06/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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KamikazeKush said: If you do it this way why even do spawn? Why not just syringe directly to substrate?
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BIGGS22
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Mad Season]
#23617983 - 09/06/16 12:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've got 8 weeks left on the lease in my apartment. Is that enough time to allow for colonization and fruiting or should I introduce fruiting in the other monotub as well?
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Mad Season
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
#23618010 - 09/06/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Could probably get fruits from a new grow in that time.
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Shroomsh
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
#23618051 - 09/06/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would you guys say that skipping colonization increases potential for contamination during the colonization in the mono? I'm doing a verm/coir one soon and am curious now that I read this thread which method to do first.
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Munchauzen


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Shroomsh]
#23618072 - 09/06/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomsh said: Would you guys say that skipping colonization increases potential for contamination during the colonization in the mono? I'm doing a verm/coir one soon and am curious now that I read this thread which method to do first.
No it reduces it
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Kenetic
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Munchauzen]
#23618108 - 09/06/16 12:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're title is misleading in a pretty funny way. You mean consolidation, right?
I'd say the biggest downside to skipping colonization is also skipping the mushroom growing part too.
Seriously though I let my tubs consolidate. I never could get them to fruit faster anyway.
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amidogen
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Munchauzen]
#23618125 - 09/06/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Munchauzen


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Kenetic]
#23618126 - 09/06/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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kenetic said: You're title is misleading in a pretty funny way. You mean consolidation, right?
I'd say the biggest downside to skipping colonization is also skipping the mushroom growing part too.
Seriously though I let my tubs consolidate. I never could get them to fruit faster anyway.
No. He meant colonization and used it correctly. We do not consolidate monotubs.
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Shroomsh
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Munchauzen]
#23618133 - 09/06/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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kenetic said: You're title is misleading in a pretty funny way. You mean consolidation, right?
I'd say the biggest downside to skipping colonization is also skipping the mushroom growing part too.
Seriously though I let my tubs consolidate. I never could get them to fruit faster anyway.
No. He meant colonization and used it correctly. We do not consolidate monotubs.
I was assuming everyone was talking about the consolidation of the cakes before breaking up and adding to the monotub. Now I'm a bit more confused than I previously was.
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Shroomsh]
#23618148 - 09/06/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really? Maybe I better re-read the post. Oh. I get it now. Title is still funny. Why not consolidate a tub?
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Shroomsh
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Kenetic]
#23618151 - 09/06/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heh yeah me too, I didn't get it the first time either. Well good to know!
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spacechildo
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Kenetic]
#23618160 - 09/06/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if OP or someone else asking Qs is a bit confused here, you dont literally skip colonization, you let the tub colonize in a lower co2 environment than if you were to tape up the holes. the sub still gets colonized by the grain spawn before it starts fruiting.
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Munchauzen


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Shroomsh]
#23618178 - 09/06/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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He is referring to colonization of a monotub after its been spawned.
We don't consolidate bulk because it doesn't need it. A bulk can be introduced to fruiting at any time from spawning to 100% colonization. It's not as nutrionally dense as BRF cakes so it doesn't need more time to consume the substrate and nutes.
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Munchauzen]
#23618200 - 09/06/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: I'm not sure if OP or someone else asking Qs is a bit confused here, you dont literally skip colonization, you let the tub colonize in a lower co2 environment than if you were to tape up the holes. the sub still gets colonized by the grain spawn before it starts fruiting.
I guess I should have phrased it as skipping colonization conditions, not skipping colonization.
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Munchauzen]
#23618217 - 09/06/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So am I understanding this differentiation fully now? The distinction is between mixing your spawn in the mono and setting it up to fruit immediately versus mixing it and letting the mycelium run through the mono?
Or is it the a distinction of different processing for the same outcome?
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Shroomsh]
#23618236 - 09/06/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Unrelated question,
The weather where I live is extremely dry(desert climate). Would it be a good idea to keep a cool mist humidifier running daily?
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spacechildo
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
#23618247 - 09/06/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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BIGGS22 said:
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spacechildo said: I'm not sure if OP or someone else asking Qs is a bit confused here, you dont literally skip colonization, you let the tub colonize in a lower co2 environment than if you were to tape up the holes. the sub still gets colonized by the grain spawn before it starts fruiting.
I guess I should have phrased it as skipping colonization conditions, not skipping colonization.
if anything low co2 levels during colonization IS best for colonization, but it also makes the myc eat more of the grain spawn before it starts fruiting (the process called consolidation)
when we use high spawn ratios it doesnt really mattermuch in the end afterall, most these subs are exhausted before all the nutrition gets used anyway.
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Shroomsh] 1
#23618251 - 09/06/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomsh said: So am I understanding this differentiation fully now? The distinction is between mixing your spawn in the mono and setting it up to fruit immediately versus mixing it and letting the mycelium run through the mono?
Or is it the a distinction of different processing for the same outcome?
The discussion is about whether or not skipping the step in a monotub grow where you tape the holes shut and give it time to colonize the full substrate before adding the polyfill has a significant impact on growth potential of the mushrooms.
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Terpfreak
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
#23618298 - 09/06/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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spacechildo
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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
#23618314 - 09/06/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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BIGGS22 said: Unrelated question,
The weather where I live is extremely dry(desert climate). Would it be a good idea to keep a cool mist humidifier running daily?
FrankH suggests humidifiers in the grow room, but healso uses a fan. try first with no fan and stuff the poly a little tighter than you normally see done here.
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