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OfflineBIGGS22
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What are the downsides to skipping colonization?
    #23615733 - 09/05/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have read that waiting for colonization isn't really necessary and you can go strait to fruiting conditions in a monotub without any ill effects. Is this true, or are there downsides to it? By this I mean mixing spawn and coir, adding a casing layer and immediately starting with fruiting conditions.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23615751 - 09/05/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Where did you read that? That gives contaminants a chance to get a foothold on uncolonized substrate. You may get a few fruits if you're lucky, but why not wait that extra handful of days for an awesome pinset and much higher chances of second/third flush.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: literberry]
    #23615768 - 09/05/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: literberry]
    #23615775 - 09/05/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The downside are IMO you don't fully utilize all the pinning triggers at the same time resulting in flushes that are not as uniform or full.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: literberry]
    #23615790 - 09/05/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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literberry said:
Where did you read that? That gives contaminants a chance to get a foothold on uncolonized substrate. You may get a few fruits if you're lucky, but why not wait that extra handful of days for an awesome pinset and much higher chances of second/third flush.




I got the info from here,

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22315950


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: cronicr]
    #23615791 - 09/05/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Guess I'm behind on the times. I'll stick with good old spawn runs....


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: literberry]
    #23615890 - 09/05/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i am borderline testing this now with PE cakes that are about 95 and 90% colonized.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Noobtrip]
    #23615959 - 09/05/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's just not smart


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: cronicr]
    #23615999 - 09/05/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That's just not smart




I agree but they have been stalled for 1.5 weeks with no changes.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Noobtrip]
    #23616004 - 09/05/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Rinse the uncolonized spots off


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23616086 - 09/05/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I enjoy using this method, i got results like these from total neglect minus one misting when pins formed.


Set and forget.
Only downside i could think of is a little extra drying from fae,
i make casings thick(1/4in) and stuff the bottom holes tightly to `dial in`.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: filthyknees]
    #23616189 - 09/05/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Welp, I had enough substrate and spawn for two monotubs, so I made one with an immediate casing layer and introduced fruiting conditions and the other and I am letting colonize.



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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23616340 - 09/05/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I started doing this recently and have had extremely positive consistent results, also I have noticed nothing but uniform flushes from it.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Rooster Cogburn]
    #23616359 - 09/05/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I started doing this recently and have had extremely positive consistent results, also I have noticed nothing but uniform flushes from it.





Did you add a casing layer?


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: BIGGS22]
    #23616372 - 09/05/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I did started doing this when I was getting both weak flushes cased and uncased from this particular culture, it's bizzare but it has responded better to this method than any other so I have kept up with it.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: cronicr]
    #23616424 - 09/05/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Noobtrip said:
i am borderline testing this now with PE cakes that are about 95 and 90% colonized.



not the same thing at all
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Noobtrip said:
Quote:

cronicr said:
That's just not smart




I agree but they have been stalled for 1.5 weeks with no changes.



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cronicr said:
Rinse the uncolonized spots off



:whathesaid:


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: filthyknees]
    #23616870 - 09/06/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you do it this way why even do spawn? Why not just syringe directly to substrate?


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Noobtrip]
    #23616892 - 09/06/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i am borderline testing this now with PE cakes that are about 95 and 90% colonized.




The link says nothing about using uncolonized spawn.


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: Tira]
    #23617492 - 09/06/16 09:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I still think i see grain in your `cased` tub, the casing layer is supposed to be 1/4inches


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Re: What are the downsides to skipping colonization? [Re: KamikazeKush]
    #23617563 - 09/06/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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KamikazeKush said:
If you do it this way why even do spawn? Why not just syringe directly to substrate?



In the fruiting at spawning method fully colonized grain is spawned to coir or pasteurized substrate. Uncolonized grain will contaminate, bulk sub without grain lacks nutrition to make big flushes. Mushrooms get most of their nutrition from the grain, bulk sub is more of a water supply than anything.

Fruiting at spawning has given me nothing but great results,

As said, uncolonized grain or cakes is not the same as bulk substrate, they will contaminate for sure if not colonized.


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