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Re: Evolution [Re: nuentoter]
    #23624703 - 09/08/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

in the beginning was the word


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Re: Evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23625561 - 09/08/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

and the word was God


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Re: Evolution [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23625891 - 09/08/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

more like
gubbagoofy
in the beginning


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Re: Evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23626169 - 09/08/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
anybody believe that a power elite is a different species?
i.e. unable to mate with the rest of us and bear viable fertile offspring?

if so

then they are not more evolved.

zzripz, I am astonished how the facts of evolution so completely elude you, allowing instead a crackpot conspiracy theory.

Power elites certainly exist as they ever have, but not by being more evolved, only by dominating and keeping their status.  This is not done through scientific theory, instead, a subtle combination of Law and Money and Real Estate suffices to ensure entitlements.




your not even wrong:rolleyes:

(not sure if you will get that)


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Re: Evolution [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23627232 - 09/08/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Could other scientists replicate it? 





E. coli long-term evolution experiment
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The 12 E. coli LTEE populations on June 25, 2008.[1]

The E. coli long-term evolution experiment (LTEE) is an ongoing study in experimental evolution led by Richard Lenski that has been tracking genetic changes in 12 initially identical populations of asexual Escherichia coli bacteria since 24 February 1988.[2] The populations reached the milestone of 50,000 generations in February 2010 and 65,000 in June 2016.[3]

Over the course of the experiment, Lenski and his colleagues have reported a wide array of phenotypic and genotypic changes in the evolving populations. These have included changes that have occurred in all 12 populations and others that have only appeared in one or a few populations. For example, all 12 populations showed a similar pattern of rapid improvement in fitness that decelerated over time, more rapid growth rates, an increased cell size. Half of the populations have evolved defects in DNA repair that have caused mutator phenotypes marked by elevated mutation rates. The most striking adaptation reported so far is the evolution of aerobic growth on citrate, which is unusual in E. coli, in one population at some point between generations 31,000 and 31,500.[4][5]


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Re: Evolution [Re: zzripz]
    #23627339 - 09/08/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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One thing I know, most people who believe in the theory of evolution believe that evolution happens by random chance. They do not accept that nature and/or matter-energy is conscious, aware, intelligence/intelligent.





Not sure what you were thinking awareness / intelligence  ‘is’.

They mean different ‘things’, don’t they?

Does ‘running exist? is your hand a fist?
No - neither ‘fist’ or ‘running’ are objects.
they are dependent on present time action.

‘Awareness’ is likewise not an object, and has no properties.
It is even more abstract than numbers of which it is very hard to say whether they exist or not. Awareness is certainly devoid of purpose. Awareness does not discriminate between pain and pleasure. It couldn’t care less about anything & everything.

‘intelligence’, on the other hand, implies a goal and purpose,
what is intelligent for the zebra (that gets eaten),
is not intelligent for the lion (which does the eating, and causes zebras great pain).
The majority of species are parasitic, and thousands of species lay eggs in others that are kept alive as the larva eat them from the inside out. This is one example of what is routine in nature. The idea that there is one wonderful ‘something’ out there guiding everything to some great conclusion, would seem very naive. It might be nice to imagine the world would be perfect if it weren’t for the devils of conspiracies and evil rich people, but most living organisms consume or parasitize one another. And many of those that aren’t predators or parasites get eaten, or die, and suffer during that process. Suffering sure seems to have been an inherent part of what it means to be alive from the ‘beginning’.

Also for  nature or awareness or ‘cosmic intelligence’ to have purpose, would imply it is presently imperfect, hence not so powerful and perfect. Why else bother with all the work of purpose?

‘purpose’ and ‘meaning’ really seem like very heavy handed puritan concepts to shackle the beautiful flowers of life with. And ‘intelligence’ and ‘awareness’ as these terms are often used just seem like dressed up versions of ‘purpose’ and ‘meaning’ … such sad heavy somber stuff to wear around our necks like an albatross or ‘all-too-heavy-cross’.


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Re: Evolution [Re: laughingdog]
    #23628039 - 09/09/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would just add to Alan Watts' mention of there being two major paradigms, the 'God/Father' one and then the mechanistic one. What is also crucial to know is the antagonists/'rebels to the God myth are the Freemason/Gnostic/Luciferian power elite. In their myth they are against the idea of a supernatural God creating humans and rather see humans (ie their sort) as being 'god'. IE., humanitarian. And it is they who wholly embrace the mechanistic myth, because they idealize a dream of creating 'heavan' on earth via their 'order' and technology. But really these three paradigms share the same solar-mythical roots, and the results of following any or all of them suit the ones in power now!
They all reject the understanding that nature is intelligence:



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Re: Evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23628080 - 09/09/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
what if poetry were the beginning - not an adjunct
rhythm
rhyme
onomatopoeia.

we are descended from poetry apes



that's also my theory.

ie: "whilst thou help me with thine path of stone, to cover the mossy grove, to make a road."


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Re: Evolution [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23631073 - 09/09/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The Beginning is like a Great Giant Star..which was the Soul..in a Moon Made Land..inside and out is the degree a true sequitur..into the out of the crazy soul itself..and that is the common logic in and out..which is without awareness or arousal..


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Re: Evolution [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23631080 - 09/09/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Parting the Red Sea is Half the Truth..indeed is the Causm..more Morose..than the questions of logic..inside and out..inside and out..Common causes for concern// are like a peeping tom..who always comes out on top..without killing another human being..we could really evolve..in the correct and formal way..so all arguments..about serial killers should end right now..because they are not trust worthy souls...of the motives of the future..in and of itself..is a Great Degree.. towards the common Toldem..and Totem of the Future...we have Brain Barf, and an Ivey League Scan!


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Re: Evolution [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #23631270 - 09/10/16 02:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

man hasn't evolved. man is more stupid then ever. some men deserve death for their insolence. that's how impertinent and unevolved they are. at the very least, a smack would do. just SMACK, sftu, and if they don't then up the measure. this is how man talks.


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Re: Evolution [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23640627 - 09/13/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And you say there are circuits in the brain devoted to language, yes, but are they special?

Yes, there are a number of areas in the brain that are specialised to deal with language. In fact, they are so specialised that if someone receives brain damage to a particular area of the brain they may be left with a specialised disability like for example word salad (not the official name), which is a condition where they understand what some one says to them but when they speak the words in their sentence are not in order. So instead of saying "the cat is in the hat" they might say "hat cat the in the."

I once met someone with this condition. I spoke with her for about 15 minutes and in all that time i understood one sentence about where she went on holiday which made her very pleased.


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let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

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everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

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if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.


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Re: Evolution [Re: blingbling]
    #23640706 - 09/13/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

nominal aphasia is very interesting.


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Re: Evolution [Re: blingbling]
    #23640945 - 09/13/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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And you say there are circuits in the brain devoted to language, yes, but are they special?

Yes, there are a number of areas in the brain that are specialised to deal with language. In fact, they are so specialised that if someone receives brain damage to a particular area of the brain they may be left with a specialised disability like for example word salad (not the official name), which is a condition where they understand what some one says to them but when they speak the words in their sentence are not in order. So instead of saying "the cat is in the hat" they might say "hat cat the in the."

I once met someone with this condition. I spoke with her for about 15 minutes and in all that time i understood one sentence about where she went on holiday which made her very pleased.




I do not doubt that we can identify parts of the brain associated with language processing.  You have to realize that that is a very far cry from understanding what is going on.  You haven't really said anything.


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Re: Evolution [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23641131 - 09/13/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it's like a single conduit in a massive super highway, but it's solely responsible for specific things, working in tandem with the rest of the brain. that goes, your language goes, until your brain can recover, if it can; which it does by "re-wiring" neuronal "passways".

how can anyone really say anything about something no one knows anything about, unless someone says something? or, that is to say, how can anyone be looking for answer if he hasn't spurred on a question?


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Re: Evolution [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23641161 - 09/13/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well you raise an interesting point.  The Chomsky camp believes that we each possess a language "organ," that is a specific genetic system devoted to language.  So, in principle, if part of that organ is damaged, speech cannot recover fully.  On the other hand, if language is distributed across the brain in a way unlike an organ, and if a part that is normally used gets damaged, a plastic re-wiring can take place.  So you see, right there is fragmentation and confusion, because we can't even identify what is happening on this level.  Half the academics believe it's an organ; the other half believe the brain deals with language in a more general way.  If we don't even know the difference here, what do we know?  That's one of the first questions.


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Re: Evolution [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23641989 - 09/13/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

either way, language lives in the brain.
The brain can rewire itself in amazing ways.

half a brain, and it simply rewired itself
half brain removed

how malleable is that grey matter?

could either be right or wrong or both?


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"I found I could say things with color and shapes that I couldn't say any other way - things I had no words for"  - Georgia O'Keefe

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Re: Evolution [Re: nuentoter] * 1
    #23642042 - 09/13/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't want to derail but I'd like to contribute that no teleology is an insane position. Smoke DMT. This place is obviously made.


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Re: Evolution [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23642101 - 09/13/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

all i have is notions, DQ. unfortunately, i haven't studied anything at all about evolution, i understand the bear minimum in the subject. natural selection, that's it.

could there be a component in that?

personally, i think it makes sense. i don't think language just popped into existence, i think it was invented, like cave paintings were "invented", or 'created', and then worked on from there; and by worked on, i mean things 'evolved' due to the use of certain grammar and words from other people's in communication that are so prevalent (enough so that they 'catch on' or become heavily relied upon), making said language grow in terms of it's lexicon, and develop into it's own unique communication for the (what i'd call) early travellers of the world.


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Re: Evolution [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23642252 - 09/13/16 05:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting points, guys.


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