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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23621492 - 09/07/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tolerance is a big one for me.  If I trip, I gotta wait a least one entire week before I can dose again.  But I generally don't need to trip more than one every week or two.  I don't take mushrooms as a recreational drug, like I do when I smoke bud.  I take them to heal my soul, and make me see the beauty behind everyday things.  It makes me appreciate everything that I look at just that much more.



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1 billion %. ive found taking shrooms more than twice a week.. even twice a month
kinda fucks with me. it was a big reason why i stopped growing back in mid 2000s.
i felt i wasnt respecting the mush. and the mush wasnt happy when i treated them
as a recreation.

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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23621495 - 09/07/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well psilocin is still so unstable that it's really not gonna be surviving the drying process no matter how you do it.. at least that's how I understood it.  There is a necessary small degree of potency loss that comes with drying them in any manner at all.

I find that when mushrooms are done growing is never when I feel like eating them, so I very rarely try them fresh.  But 1g dry of my best stock will still bring on CEVs and some light OEVs.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Inocuole]
    #23621498 - 09/07/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree.  You're gonna have potency loss no matter what you do.  If you want the full effect, eat them fresh.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Mushierage]
    #23621516 - 09/07/16 10:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you happened to be working with genetics with very little psilocin and tons of psilocybin however.. then you could indeed plausibly retain all of the potency.

I don't really think the two actives have different effects though, I've always understood psilocybin to be like time-release psilocin.  Might be why people think it's got less intense effects.  Nothing eating more won't fix IMO.

I feel like baeocystin is probably the outlier that can change the flavor of a trip slightly.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Inocuole]
    #23621540 - 09/07/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Isn't psilcin the one that the body can't use? I may have it backwards but I do know that the body has to break down one active into the other before it can use it.

At any rate, the difference will be too minute to notice a difference simply by tripping on it. If you were counting the actives with high tech gizmos it's one thing. There won't be the difference that OP is explaining though.

He's also comparing with an MS grow, which is totally inaccurate at best.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Supalemonhaze]
    #23621543 - 09/07/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Psilocybin is the one the body has to break down into psilocin, which is the part we actually enjoy.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Inocuole]
    #23621554 - 09/07/16 10:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I see, I always mix those up.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Inocuole]
    #23621722 - 09/07/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Woodlovers have the baeocystin...probably why they are a different experience as opposed to cubes. That and twice the alkaloids content lol.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23621726 - 09/07/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Cubes can have it too, I'm sure it varies like anything else genetically.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Inocuole]
    #23621794 - 09/07/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's pretty cool and news to me! Any particular type of cube?


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23621810 - 09/07/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not that I know of.  Someone might've said something about green bruising but I think it was hypothetical.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Inocuole]
    #23621823 - 09/07/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Cool, I'll do some searching would love to experience the baeo twist!


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23624911 - 09/08/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey I don't suppose you might know how p. Mexicana would differ in potency from cubes?
There wasn't much in the literature about it?
I had some that had not started to form stones yet and was thinking of poaching them early for a fruit?


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: AgarStudent]
    #23627877 - 09/09/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The fruit is less potent then stones and one of weaker cubes. If you like stone making you should do the smart thing. While your first jar bacth of stones is waiting and forming fruit two of those jars. Make as many spore prints of them as you can. Trade some of the prints for other cubes on here. And start agar work on one of your prints. Once you got 30 or so clean plates start mass production of stones.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: tump]
    #23628179 - 09/09/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks Tump :smile:

Your saying the Mexican fruits are more potent than cube fruits by mass?
Also you mean to set the stones growing with agar wedges after I have 30 or so clean plates obtained from my own prints rather than using the culture that was used to generate the print?


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: AgarStudent]
    #23631665 - 09/10/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No mexican fruit are less potent by dry weight then cubes but they are cubes. Im saying the stones by dried weight are better and more potent then there fruit. The reason to start over form print is so simple. New gens will more then likely produce stones over time. But the stones form because stress is happing to myc. One is age, bacteria, temp changes. If you were to take out a stone now and place in agar the recovery time will be longer then starting again form new. Agar is cheap but every open to a jar or any container is a risk for contams . i once try to produce stones is large numbers and try cloning. Ever cleanly as possible i lost more then half the clone hars to black molds. In all honestly if you have the space doing grain to grain tranfers in spawn bags is the way to go. Just make 10 master spawn jars with li then 100 new ja. Through grain to grai. Transfer. Then 100 5 quart spawn bags. Let age 6 to 8 months. Magic stone finder time.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: tump]
    #23631955 - 09/10/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No mexican fruit are less potent by dry weight then cubes but they are cubes.




.... What.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Inocuole]
    #23631961 - 09/10/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No mexican fruit are less potent by dry weight then cubes but they are cubes.




.... What.




Wtf what.  Exactly what I was thinking.


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Mushierage]
    #23632015 - 09/10/16 11:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No mexican fruit are less potent by dry weight then cubes but they are cubes.




.... What.




Wtf what.  Exactly what I was thinking.




?????? ummmmm....


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Re: Fresh vs Dried Cubes [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23633742 - 09/10/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Alright, thanks for the detail :wink:. I never thought new genetics could have such an impact, but I can give it a go, why not :wink:
Tump - were you using a laminar flow hood?  Your contam rate sounds quite high?
Did you ever have jars that never produced stones at all?


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