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Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me
    #23614280 - 09/05/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I had my first attempt today with a VG classic. Where have you been my whole life. Honestly don't know why I bothered with anything else (I guess GVG people would say that too, but it's illegal where I live, so the headshop can't get it through customs).

So, the trip itself - I took a big toke, left it inside for as long as I could. The floor tiles started changing in front of my eyes, everything started shaking and become watery. I had some experiences with Changa and DMT but none of them was even close, they were all nice and mild and mostly CEV oriented.

At this point, I knew I was in way too deep than what I'm used to. The colors turned very very bright (the room was pretty dark actually in reality). The flowers started changing patterns, the blue lamp went crazy. I was super scared and thought that I don't want to close my eyes when I fear so much. I also told myself that I should relax and go with the flow but I was so scared.

I thought "well, this is a powerful drug, it doesn't care if you want it or not - it'll take you if it decides to". Still scared. I don't know if not breaking through was the result of me being so reluctant to do so or just not taking enough, but I'm very happy I didn't go anywhere. All of these thought came rushing through my mind, not like I had time to think rationally.

When it was over 4-5 minutes later I was very relieved. I don't know if it means I'm not ready yet. I don't know if I can ever be ready.

Did you experience something similar? That crippling horror that makes you want to push the stop button? How do you relax yourself?


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: tlvguy33]
    #23614322 - 09/05/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've never tried the DMT/changa combo but I've vaped DMT a few times. It's pretty much a catapult into a different realm. There's nothing gentle about it in my experiences. Everytime I vape it I can't help but have anxiety because I know there is no preparing myself for the experience. But at the end of every trip Im glad I took the dive. With smoked DMT there is no stop button. I've thought about taking a benzodiazipene before the trip but I don't like mixing substances.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23614368 - 09/05/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I get that everytime I smoke DMT. Its not a crippling horror but more like an absolute reality for me


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Mike4aco] * 3
    #23614616 - 09/05/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have got to get some dmt lol


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: dcthestar] * 2
    #23614951 - 09/05/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I made a post about this one time. Those sub breakthroughs can be scary af. You'll get used to them. I describe dmt as "terrifyingly beautiful". Just let go, and observe. It's so cliche to say for dmt but it's the best way to put it.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Kinshino] * 1
    #23614976 - 09/05/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Threw out the last of my dmt last night during a shroom induced psychosis. :judyfacepalm:


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Dim ethyl]
    #23615088 - 09/05/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Noooooo! :frown:

It can get pretty overwhelming for sure, especially when you're at the point where you're about to breakthrough but never do.
Its almost like a weird clash of reality and dreamland in a lack of better words.
I still enjoy that state tho, Its where the most organic visuals come but without the real dissolution of your reality.
I feel thats the point where I see alot of the different connections between everything and see the "machine workings" or whatever you call it that makes reality. Its so hard to explain haha.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23615374 - 09/05/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone wanna mail me a sample of DMT for science? :grin:


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: dcthestar]
    #23615455 - 09/05/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Patience young grass smoker.  It finds you when you are ready do not rush it. Beware of false prophets


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Dim ethyl]
    #23615500 - 09/05/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I waited 12 years before having the chance to experience it.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Dim ethyl]
    #23615526 - 09/05/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Patience young grass smoker.  It finds you when you are ready do not rush it. Beware of false prophets



I know I've always viewed psychs that way... They always find me, but I'm highly intrigued by the deemster.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Dim ethyl]
    #23615568 - 09/05/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Threw out the last of my dmt last night during a shroom induced psychosis. :judyfacepalm:




Clearly not ready...:wink:


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23616257 - 09/05/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

DMT gave me the worse trip of my life, as I closed my eyes I lost sensation of my heart and my breath and began to see a giant violet spinning mandala, at that point I opened my eyes due to uncomfortable body load/sensation heavy breathing and I didn't have any particular visuals, enhanced color and morphed slightly but my mind was lost in pure terror and anxiety, as I couldn't move it felt as if my body was set ablaze in fire, every cell in my body felt like it exploded and my soul was being tortured in a distant dimension but I was left to my conscious mind to experience total mind and body death, I looked up into the sky and said this is it, I've killed myself as I burned and scorched in a terrorizing agony of hell which was the most unpleasant experience of my life, in the middle of all that I got hit with the most serious urge to puke as well.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23616268 - 09/05/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Goddamn... What a bummer.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23616459 - 09/05/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Threw out the last of my dmt last night during a shroom induced psychosis. :judyfacepalm:




Clearly not ready...:wink:




It would seem so. I feel like I'm getting closer, or maybe more lost? I don't know


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: tlvguy33]
    #23617583 - 09/06/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

From the way I hear it (still haven't done DMT myself) a lot of people right after they break through will instantly regret it and see it in the moment as the worst decision of their life. Usually as it's coming to and end though it seems like a lot of people don't want it to end and are grasping for it.

So apparently being absolutely terrified is normal. I don't really know why; doesn't really sound scary at all but I'll take people's word on it.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23617594 - 09/06/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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in a terrorizing agony of hell which was the most unpleasant experience of my life, in the middle of all that I got hit with the most serious urge to puke as well.




Sounds like 5-MeO


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23618245 - 09/06/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It definitely felt like how one would describe 5 meo, but I'm pretty sure it was N N, or it was just impure and contained small traces of 5 meo/impurities, either way just a total experience of agonizing death


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23618328 - 09/06/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would describe it as riding the wave of a nuclear explosion but remaining conscious, total and utter death from vaporization, you come out of it with the most intense appreciation for life, since meeting death face to face, if all the suffering, agony and pain that ever existed resided in one dimension, this is the totality of the experience. (40mg smoked)


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Dim ethyl]
    #23618347 - 09/06/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Dim ethyl said:
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Dim ethyl said:
Threw out the last of my dmt last night during a shroom induced psychosis. :judyfacepalm:




Clearly not ready...:wink:




It would seem so. I feel like I'm getting closer, or maybe more lost? I don't know




Let your very charming cat guide the way! :wink:


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #23618580 - 09/06/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks guys, appreciate your comments here.
While it scared the shit out of me, I can't wait to try again. I think I'm going to try gradual doses with the VG classic, hopefully I'll feel comfortable in the sub-breakthrough experiences. And then I'll lose my shit when I finally do :smile:


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: tlvguy33]
    #23618715 - 09/06/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What was your method with the VG? I remember trying it before and couldn't get it down.

How many screens? What type of flame did you use (bic or torch)? And how far away did you hold the flame?


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23618778 - 09/06/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It definitely felt like how one would describe 5 meo, but I'm pretty sure it was N N, or it was just impure and contained small traces of 5 meo/impurities, either way just a total experience of agonizing death




Hmm traces of 5-MeO? I wonder if that's even possible but ya it could have just been some weird N-N

It's just the nausea is only something I've heard happening on 5-meo. My dealer actually has some 5-meo and has had some for a while but I've put off trying it because I want to do N-N first.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23619736 - 09/06/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All my sub breakthrough experiences have been intense. Like I just ate 300 hits of acid intense.

This has only happened once, but the first time I smoked DMT, my friend of the time said to me, right as I was exhaling, "Oh yeah sometimes you forget how to breathe...". Sure enough, I started momentarily gasping for air like my air passage seized up, all at the same time the room is beginning to kaleidoscope and shift. I soon after regained somewhat normal breathing, but that really freaked me out at the time. It never happened again after that.

I think it wouldn't've ever happened if that dude had kept his mouth shut at the time and had let me keep my mind blank.

I've had a lot of other nuts experiences in the sub breakthrough space, but that one was the scariest.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: DabsAndTabs]
    #23619924 - 09/06/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I can never get enough DMT stories!! It interests the hell out of me!


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: dcthestar]
    #23620710 - 09/07/16 04:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It is a truly shocking experience one that can take you from here to somewhere else in seconds and back within minutes.
Personally in the large majority of my experience with it, it has been a truly wonderful thing that defies words.
After you have had experience with other psychs on largish levels it is somewhat less of a shock but don't be misled dmt is a standalone affair ime.
Now that you somewhat know to expect be calm be confident and you will be a little less shocked.:thumbup:


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: pineninja]
    #23621227 - 09/07/16 09:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wait I'm lost what's vg and gvg Classic? And what substance(s) is op discussing


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #23621268 - 09/07/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What was your method with the VG? I remember trying it before and couldn't get it down.

How many screens? What type of flame did you use (bic or torch)? And how far away did you hold the flame?




Method with VG - I put some tobacco and then DMT on top of that. No extra screens.
I gave it a few hits and at first what I had was weird, but after the DMT melted, I was able to suck some nice air through it.

Used a torch flame, tried to hold it not too close but I think I got pretty close later.
My technique is definitely flawed, think I also need a better torch.

The substance used was only DMT crystals and tobacco from a cigarette.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: truthfull]
    #23621271 - 09/07/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Wait I'm lost what's vg and gvg Classic? And what substance(s) is op discussing




VG = vapor genie. I used the classic one - it's wooden. There's also the GVG = glass vapor genie. I don't own one.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: tlvguy33]
    #23622585 - 09/07/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Next time put a bit of tobacco on top of the D aswell you don't want to directly have flame on the spice preferably getting the tobacco to light it for you.:thumbup:


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Kinshino]
    #23623182 - 09/07/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I made a post about this one time. Those sub breakthroughs can be scary af. You'll get used to them. I describe dmt as "terrifyingly beautiful". Just let go, and observe. It's so cliche to say for dmt but it's the best way to put it.




Exactly.

Ive heard people say its easier when u fully breakthru cause theres nothing to hold on to, u just breakthru  beyond any wishes to stay in reality.

Ive noticed from repeated low doses of DMT, it does get easier to handle. Takes practice to get comfortable in the hyperspace realm of DMT.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: pineninja]
    #23623589 - 09/07/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Next time put a bit of tobacco on top of the D aswell you don't want to directly have flame on the spice preferably getting the tobacco to light it for you.:thumbup:



I believe there is a ceramic plate on the VG so the flame doesn't ever touch whats inside anyways?


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: FruitOfLife]
    #23623757 - 09/07/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Righto cheers.:leocheers:


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: pineninja]
    #23624742 - 09/08/16 04:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What are VG and GVG ?


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Dr. Delban] * 2
    #23624843 - 09/08/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I once smoked changa a few seconds before an orgasm and now i see mild visuals every time i cum.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: Dr. Delban]
    #23626603 - 09/08/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What are VG and GVG ?




Its a brand or style of pipe. I dont know the acronym but the shape of the pipe is kinda like those old wooden pipes detectives used back in the 1900's. Sherlock pipe, thats it.

U can buy VGs and GVGs online.


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23627720 - 09/09/16 01:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

GVG = glass vapor genie
VG = vapor genie


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Re: Near breakthrough experience that scared the shit out of me [Re: dcthestar]
    #23627835 - 09/09/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I have got to get some dmt lol



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    #23627838 - 09/09/16 02:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I once smoked changa a few seconds before an orgasm and now i see mild visuals every time i cum.



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