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nuentoter
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But are the good job the nice car etc., The means or the end. If it is the goal, then from my personal view that is almost a shame for the lost potential. A steady paycheck, someone to talk to and share time and sex with, a reliable vehicle are the means to the end goal of the job being fulfilling on a moral level and adequate on a financial level, enjoyable on a social level. A vehicle that fits 2 car seats and groceries and starts and heats well at -45 mornings. A wife that loves and respects and accepts me for myself, or is willing to learn and try, as I do with her. 2 boys who can grow up working hard, understanding the importance of self sufficiency, and understand empathy and stoicism of morals.
These are my ends, my goals. The finances help grease the wheels of all this, but I have adjusted my lifestyle and expenses to fit my course of career. The job is more important to me than the paycheck, the paycheck simply allows me to feed, clothe, house family, it is not the focus or purpose. In 2 more years my income will increase 3 fold and things will be easier financially, but we do not struggle, we simply do not waste.
If your goals are simply superficial and financial or expressions of vanity, you are selling your own potential short. Maybe not even realizing it.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Not striving or desiring = stagnation. That is not a human's (nor any other creature's) lot in life.
agreed. but one need not strive to have more or less drive than what is naturally there. aka one need not push when there is already a force pushing.
IMO not striving or desiring is impossible and anyone attempting to do so is "striving for less" which the original quote warned against
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Jokeshopbeard
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OrgoneConclusion said: Uh huh. How do you pay your bills, DQ?
Why do you keep defaulting to this?
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OrgoneConclusion
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Because life is an incredible struggle; not a weekend on the beach drinking Corona.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation
Perhaps these children should just read and understand Rumi.
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Yeah but it's just making you come off bitter man. Is a middle ground not possible IYO?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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pineninja
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OP If they are your measures of success then you will never be truly happy and forever burdened.
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Jokeshopbeard
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Re: Peaceful is the one... [Re: pineninja]
#23619757 - 09/06/16 09:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Amen to that.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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Re: Peaceful is the one... [Re: pineninja]
#23619817 - 09/06/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol..as Rumi I have this to say:
Take Great Heed in your original steps...which are platforms to eternity and Beyond..the completion of everything is Boundless..and thats where fire begins and ends..which is a Blaspheming atonement..for the One none other than God..or otherwise Allah..because Fire is burning black..we have Ice..and in this do we know each other..as a High Life..or living life..full energy cell. And in the photons do we speak to each other like waves of fire...we are on an ever progressing Caravan..and thats fire so to speak..because of the movement..and Ice is the concept of stillness..or things that will always be here..as a necessity..this is alchemy..of mind and spirit..which goes along great with classical conversation..which is a Lord to the Brute indeed..and thats the end of this Gay Inuendo..I heard rumi was Gay anyways..maybe he smoked to much hash and wa
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Jokeshopbeard said: Yeah but it's just making you come off bitter man. Is a middle ground not possible IYO?
You are about to make a major life change because you want more of some things and less of others. True or false?
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I'm doing it because I'm trying to find the middle ground, where inner peace lies. And I'm damn sure it's got nothing to do with having anything in excess. It's got nothing to do with having a 'great job, nice house, hot wife'.
I'm going somewhere quiet so that I can learn to just be at peace with me, and have little more than the bare essentials for survival.
I had the 'great job, nice house, hot wife' - only when they were taken away from me did I realise that they were just leading me away from myself, and thus, inner peace. The change in direction is internal, but of course the manifestations of that change only appear external to everyone else.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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It was a true or false question.
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pineninja
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I want more of less and less of more. More or less. I would answer true if it asked of me. Insert abuse because it wasn't directed at me below.
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Re: Peaceful is the one... [Re: pineninja]
#23620281 - 09/06/16 11:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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True. But the eventual aim is that I want to be not concerned with having more or less. I just want to be.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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OrgoneConclusion
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Interesting that you actually agree with me about the quote, yet rationalize your attack.
As to me being bitter or not - that is a poor example from a mod. Should we all assess the poster rather than debate points?
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I'm not calling you bitter. I'm saying that you sticking doggedly to that position is making you sound (come of as) bitter. So it is the argument and not the poster I am addressing. It was not an attack, it was an observation.
You know how I feel OC, we've both had the same calling. I just feel like I'm dealing with it in the opposite way that you are. And whilst going in the direction I am has me in the absolute best place I've ever been in my life, I feel like yours is taking you the other way.
I'm only saying anything I'm saying here out of concern, and as a friend.
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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18 years here with untold contributions and I am done.
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pineninja
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I hope your kidding I value your posts greatly.
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Don't listen to Drysmashbeard, he's just being obtuse as usual.
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Re: Peaceful is the one... [Re: Hobozen]
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I have no idea how I was being obtuse. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me Hobo?
-------------------- Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not. --Jac O'keeffe
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I can only enlighten myself
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