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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crumist]
    #23612125 - 09/04/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Okay, let's add parameters? On earth, since the big bang. To the best of our knowledge, using evidence
miraculously preserved in rock

Are you actually imposing your morality upon nature? It's a dog eat dog world but that doesn't mean the
predators don't play a key, beneficial role.

SPC, How do you justify your own existence if this is your view? I can't see you being one of the
vegans you just maligned




we are the apex preditor. we dont need them

a human killing an anima is not the sam as an animal klling a human

we have consciousness, they rarely do. without language you have no identity, you arent anything but a robot that reacts, I think


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23612140 - 09/04/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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http://sacredgeometryinternational.com/randall-carlson-climate-change-real-deniers




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What first struck me is that their work relied on computer models and were exploring worst case scenarios. Given that current computer models have failed to accurately represent what is occurring now, particularly in terms of the divergence between projections and actual global temperatures, the computer models from the 70s and 80s must have been notoriously inept at producing realistic projections of the future. I think that at least some of the scientists involved in this realized that there were too many variables to determine precisely the role of CO2 to any high level of confidence. What I see here is too typical of the fear mongers who are trying to paint a picture of some vast conspiracy to “deny” science, when what they mean by “science” is big government funded, officially sanctioned science that was created in pursuit of an agenda that does not allow dissent or alternate points of view.



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The United Nations Framework convention on Climate Change is pretty unambiguous in its mandate to the I.P.C.C. to make the case for anthropogenic climate change to the exclusion of all other factors. And given that congressional investigations have revealed that Exxon contributed only around $30 million to various groups over a decade, only some of which had anything to do with climate change, and this was the supposed primary source of funding for the nefarious “astroturf” groups that, it is claimed, are misleading the poor gullible public, I would suggest that one consider the billions, yes billions, that the global warming zealots have received in one form or another in the same time period. There is a lot more I could say but due to constraints of time and space that will have to wait for now. I will only say that the treatment of this “disclosure” by the pro-warming factions is a prime example of propaganda in the service of an agenda rather than an attempt to understand the reality of the situation.



- Randall Carlson


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23612254 - 09/04/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

That this Randall Carlson shares your concerns about some global conspiracy wielding science
as a club to accomplish its nefarious goals, that doesn't make any of his claims more valid.

-There is constant refinement to the computer models used, though it is worthwhile to continue seeing how accurately the 40yo ones still are
-Yes climate is constantly changing, but it has been changing at exponential rates since the industrial revolution
-Yes we are emerging from the ice age, but the same as the point above.
-Nobody claimed that cold weather is impossible, but that the climate, on average, is changing rapidly https://xkcd.com/1321/
-Wuh, wait a minute: now Randall is agreeing that people have to make changes to reduce carbon, after arguing our output is minuscule?

tl;dr This guy is talking about politics on Facebook and he hasn't got any numbers or original research backing him up. His claims are
common misconceptions that are clarified with a second of critical thought or a google search. He's literally spewing "Randall Carlson" dogma
and it seems like you are just eating it up b/c of a common belief about some conspiracy.

Occam's razor states that the simplest solution with the fewest assumptions is the best. Maybe there is some grand conspiracy among all scientists
(and weathermen and HS teachers and everyone who has contributed to climate records for the past 100 years) to make up data points in order to
paint the resoundingly clear, unified picture we have today of anthropogenic climate change (with support from every discipline from chemistry to biology to
oceanology to underwater-basket weaving). The critics on the other hand are few and enumerated in addition to not agreeing with one another.
And also maybe the universe was created last Thursday, honestly. It could have happened, but the answer to the evidence is most easily explained by
climate change being real.

Take a peak at some actual scientific papers at PLOS or your local univesrity if you like. The publishing process has flaws, but anyone with a the mind to can start their own journal and fund
their own research.

If some force can force all those people to falsify evidence to support climate change, then aren't we already fucked no matter what? And why not just compel our
leaders to accomplish their goals outright? Why the extra step when politicians are probably easily controlled with money and fame and dirt?


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crumist]
    #23612309 - 09/04/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think the point he was making is that it's shortsighted and naive to act like oil companies are the primary or sole driving force behind Climate Change Denial, or that any attempts at falsifying or distorting data on their part reflects some sort of smoking gun that discredits all other Climate Change Deniers. It's a bit like a fallacy fallacy. And that it's a bit fishy when they spend only a fraction of the amount of money that the global warming monolith spends, which is billions and billions of dollars. So to act like the oil industry is the BIG MONEY interest in this equation is patently false. The real big money players are invested in backing Climate Change Acceptance; not the other way around. You want to talk Occam's razor, this should be a hint. Always follow the money.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23612353 - 09/04/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The stakes are much greater than polar bears and pandas. We are in the midst of what might be the greatest extinction in
The entirety of time. Humankind will suffer, you are a fool if you think we aren't entirely dependent upon our environment.



we are dependant on parts of our evironment. Killing them off wouldnt cause us any problems.

the environment isnt all equal. if we got rid of microbes, we would die, but we have been killing off large mammels for centuries. there used to be such things in the UK


ya, lets not hurt the cannibalistic killing machines that literally seek out cubs as soon as hibernation iover



Polar bears are immoral and should be exterminated. :facepalm:


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23612358 - 09/04/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the point he was making is that it's shortsighted and naive to act like oil companies are the primary or sole driving force behind Climate Change Denial, or that any attempts at falsifying or distorting data on their part reflects some sort of smoking gun that discredits all other Climate Change Deniers. It's a bit like a fallacy fallacy. And that it's a bit fishy when they spend only a fraction of the amount of money that the global warming monolith spends, which is billions and billions of dollars. So to act like the oil industry is the BIG MONEY interest in this equation is patently false. The real big money players are invested in backing Climate Change Acceptance; not the other way around. You want to talk Occam's razor, this should be a hint. Always follow the money.



Are you fucking kidding me? global warming denial is not science based. It is a PR campaign funded by groups opposed to regulation of fossil duels and the development of alternative energy. The amount of money spent to create doubt about the science is far greater than the amount spent informing the public about the science itself.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: koods]
    #23612371 - 09/04/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Keep melting. Pushing Global Warming is a multi-billion dollar enterprise with more funding than anything oil companies shell out.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23612375 - 09/04/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, there is a lot of money being made and lost on the discoveries of climate change science,
but the evidence is overwhelming in its support of climate change. Money is (roughly) symbolic of how individuals
wish the resources of the world allocated. We subsidize solar panel factories and cut down on coal usage
because the people we pay to figure this shit out say we are headed for a trainwreck and way past the point
of no return.

No doubt, there is plenty of bullshit about companies posturing themselves as "green" (eg. a credit card co. stops mailing paper
statements to save on postage and increase missed payments and calls it "green) or "biodegradable plastic" turning out
to be a cash-grabbing lie.

Funny you speak of a fallacy fallacy. That grubby, greedy capitalists (your heroes, as I would gather from other posts :grin:) are cashing in
on the shift to a more sustainable economy doesn't mean that the gigantic body of cold hard mathematical evidence is any less valid.
Whether or not the petroleum industry falsified and obscured evidence doesn't effect the body of evidence.
That the "global warming industry" has created large international organizations that remind you of NWO conspiracy theories doesn't effect the body of evidence.

All the evidence in its published form is accessible from your nearest university or to the public. I can't take you seriously if
you won't believe what the experts say and refuse to take a look for yourself, but blindly accept what some crackpot pseudoscientist posts on facebook.
Have you seen the about page on that website you linked?
Reading a scientific paper isn't *that* difficult.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crumist]
    #23612384 - 09/04/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

It's just a fact that the money spent on fossil fuel industry subsidies is way more than what goes to developing alternative energy sources.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23612392 - 09/04/16 07:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Keep melting.



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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crumist]
    #23612408 - 09/04/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I don't glorify the greedy capitalists themselves so much as the capitalist system itself. If after the turn of the last century the tycoons hadn't conspired with the Federal Government to squash their competition/emergence of new scientific discovery and innovation; we could have potentially become a country (and a world) filled with industrial hemp farms and vegetable diesel-powered vehicles and the like. All these great things that a true free market would have provided for us...diverted and sabotaged by crony capitalist collusion with a corrupt government.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23612560 - 09/04/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Lol you think crony capitalism began at the turn of the century?

I guess if you mean the 18th century then sure


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23612622 - 09/04/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I never said crony capitalism began in the early 20th century. Use reading comprehension next time.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Crumist]
    #23612629 - 09/04/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Okay, let's add parameters?



The goal doesn't count if you have to move the posts.

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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23612631 - 09/04/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I never said crony capitalism began in the early 20th century. Use reading comprehension next time.




Just so along as youre aware crony capitalism is a predictable outcome and not some weird outlier.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23612645 - 09/04/16 08:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

The standard of living for even our poorest citizens is pretty good tho.

I don't really like how we don't practice true capitalism and how we bail out banks and buisnesses that fail(is that chrony style?) but all that aside this country aint too bad.

I just ate a quadruple cheeseburger with big mac sauce and some fries(it's ok i'm skinny) and walked back home late at night to an ungated trailer park and was perfectly safe for the whole way.


I love my fucking country.

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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23612670 - 09/04/16 08:41 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I never said crony capitalism began in the early 20th century. Use reading comprehension next time.




Just so along as youre aware crony capitalism is a predictable outcome and not some weird outlier.




So long as you understand that government corruption is a predictable outcome of communism and there are no outliers.


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23612686 - 09/04/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Even if that were true, why so much vitriol against communism when capitalist nations reliably produce the same results?


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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Great Scott]
    #23612688 - 09/04/16 08:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

All the current communist regimens are doing fine right now and their citizens have great lives.

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Re: fuck the alt-right [Re: Apostle]
    #23612692 - 09/04/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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The standard of living for even our poorest citizens is pretty good tho.

I don't really like how we don't practice true capitalism and how we bail out banks and buisnesses that fail(is that chrony style?) but all that aside this country aint too bad.

I just ate a quadruple cheeseburger with big mac sauce and some fries(it's ok i'm skinny) and walked back home late at night to an ungated trailer park and was perfectly safe for the whole way.


I love my fucking country.




We're pretty good, but we can be a lot better.


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