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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Soundscaper]
    #23616812 - 09/06/16 01:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Also try the fine vermiculite next time




Fine verm for the Substrate?



Yes. Also for the top 1/2 of the jars. Maybe that verm won't shrink or whatever happened




Is it possible I packed it too loosely that when it was shaken the substrate condensed? If so that might be why it's taking so long to show a germination. I've heard that shaking the jars a few days after noccing makes it take longer to startup but colonize faster in the long run. Idk




You should never shake BRF jars, their protection against contamination entirely depends on the dry vermiculite layer remaining in place. If it gets displaced your cake will likely just become contam food.


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Soundscaper]
    #23616847 - 09/06/16 02:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Is it possible I packed it too loosely that when it was shaken the substrate condensed? If so that might be why it's taking so long to show a germination. I've heard that shaking the jars a few days after noccing makes it take longer to startup but colonize faster in the long run. Idk




That's for grain jars and only at %20-%30 colonization. You should not shake BRF jars as they wont mix anyway and only thing you'll accomplish will be breaking the verm barrier at the top of the jar (and you don't want that, that layer serves as an extra layer of protection holding contams away from the substrate under it, and by shaking & breaking it you'll help the contaminants reach your substrate)


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Tira]
    #23632838 - 09/10/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey guys quick update. I think my jars are compromised but I'm still new and dont know how to spot the difference between trichodermia and mycelium. How does this look? I know the last pic is green mold but are the others mycelium? It's not too wispy looking but could still be some sort of mold.



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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Soundscaper]
    #23632885 - 09/10/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why's it two different colours half way up? The dry verm needs be like an inch at most
And the green is game over for that jar I'm afraid


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23632914 - 09/10/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: TedTheHighlighter]
    #23632937 - 09/10/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Unfortunately, green is not good in this line of cultivation.    You got teh trich!


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Soundscaper]
    #23632963 - 09/10/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey guys quick update. I think my jars are compromised but I'm still new and dont know how to spot the difference between trichodermia and mycelium.




Just wait on them, it turns green when trich drops its spores and then you'll know.


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Tira]
    #23632972 - 09/10/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Hey guys quick update. I think my jars are compromised but I'm still new and dont know how to spot the difference between trichodermia and mycelium.




Just wait on them, it turns green when trich drops its spores and then you'll know.



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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23632994 - 09/10/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Why's it two different colours half way up?




I have medium verm for substrate and fine verm for dry layer. I thought it would work better since it would create a denser mesh to block contams.

Do the other jars look fine? They seem a little wispy but then again, I've never seen any growth develop due to inexperience.


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Soundscaper]
    #23633046 - 09/10/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Tbh I can't tell much but could just be tomentose myc, FYI in future use the same verm fine verm is better for faster colonisation I've use both and there is a massive difference imo. Don't throw away the thick stuff if you have a blender blend it down to a finer grade


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23633073 - 09/10/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Lol did you not even look at the pics




I did, but he said he didn't know how to spot the difference between trich and mycelium so I told him how he could.

And only one jar has green in it (even if all their verm barriers are all over the place) and he can wait on other jars to see if they're contammed or not.


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Tira]
    #23633091 - 09/10/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Lol did you not even look at the pics




I did, but he said he didn't know how to spot the difference between trich and mycelium so I told him how he could.

And only one jar has green in it (even if all their verm barriers are all over the place) and he can wait on other jars to see if they're contammed or not.



Well your post doesn't say that it says wait till it turns green which it was so :shrug:


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23633106 - 09/10/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im gonna repeat my advice from earlier.
Use fine vermiculite for both the substrate and the dry layer.

Also, it looks to me like the dry verm layers on those jars is way too thick. All you need is a 1/2 inch layer. The rest of the jar should be substrate.
Make sure you aren't actually shaking the jars.
I'm no expert on mycelia growth. I suppose the other 2 jars are good.

What conditions are they in?


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23633124 - 09/10/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Well your post doesn't say that it says wait till it turns green which it was so :shrug:




I was talking about the other jars (and his future jars) ofc, he already stated that he knew the jar in the last pic was contammed.


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Tira]
    #23633141 - 09/10/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So now that you know how to spot trich, and know that you can't do anything about it but throw it out, focus on what really matters. 

Making more clean spawn/cakes!! :super:


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23633153 - 09/10/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tbh I can't tell much but could just be tomentose myc, FYI in future use the same verm fine verm is better for faster colonisation I've use both and there is a massive difference imo. Don't throw away the thick stuff if you have a blender blend it down to a finer grade




Ok will note. Is there a good sticky or gallery comparing trich and cobweb molds (basically ones that are harder to distinguish from regular myc growth) that you can link me?

I have been trying to look for one that compares side by side but no luck  :shrug:

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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Soundscaper]
    #23633161 - 09/10/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Tbh I can't tell much but could just be tomentose myc, FYI in future use the same verm fine verm is better for faster colonisation I've use both and there is a massive difference imo. Don't throw away the thick stuff if you have a blender blend it down to a finer grade




Ok will note. Is there a good sticky or gallery comparing trich and cobweb molds (basically ones that are harder to distinguish from regular myc growth) that you can link me?

I have been trying to look for one that compares side by side but no luck  :shrug:

anyway thanks a lot guys!



Yep
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23130868
Its not cobweb if it was cobweb within 24 hours it'd be 1000x bigger.


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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: TedTheHighlighter]
    #23633163 - 09/10/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What conditions are they in?




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Re: [First grow BRF cakes] am I doing it right? [Re: Soundscaper]
    #23633181 - 09/10/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok will note. Is there a good sticky or gallery comparing trich and cobweb molds (basically ones that are harder to distinguish from regular myc growth) that you can link me?





Just browse contamination forum and read the stickies in there and you'll have an idea.  chances are you probably won't see any cobweb inside of your jars but maybe during fruiting (especially if your FAE is low and humidity is high) and it's really not that hard to tell because it's darker than mycelium (sort of greyish and semi-transparent) and it grows rapidly (like grows 10x its size overnight).

Like I said, browsing some posts will likely help you identifying it when it happens.


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    #23633216 - 09/10/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Cobweb is really not a big deal.  It's very rare, and if you ever do get it, chances are you can get rid of it with some hydrogen peroxide.  Then you don't have cobweb and now all those worries were for nothing.  Damn.


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