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OfflineThe Cheshire Cat
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10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?!
    #23611936 - 09/04/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Saudi Arabia Sentences Atheist to 2,000 Lashings, 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!! :mad2: :crankey: :psycrankey:

:dawerp: How stupid Can you be!?

"The 28-year-old reportedly refused to repent, insisting what he wrote reflected his beliefs and that he had the right to express them."
Why the hell should he repent?! Fuk you :doublefu:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/08/31/saudi-arabia-sentences-man-to-10-years-in-jail-and-2000-lashes-for-tweeting-was-atheist.html

This is Absurd! Talk about a F#&king Theocracy!!

(This post is mainly to criticize Saudi Arabia's Government for their choices, not to criticize islam. I respect all religions, i don't respect theocracys!)


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23611971 - 09/04/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This just in: a story that will anger you..


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23611992 - 09/04/16 04:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: zZZz]
    #23611998 - 09/04/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's a horrible country over there.  Very repressive.  Organized religion and organized Government do not mix nicely.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23612021 - 09/04/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

wait, so the land with insanely harsh rules(that they make no attempt at hiding) gave him the opportunity to repent and he didnt?

he wanted to go to prison.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23612040 - 09/04/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's worth noting that 2,000 lashes cannot be done consecutively. In fact you can easily kill a person by lashing them too much. This works out to being lashed probably every week for 10 years.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23612051 - 09/04/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The Cheshire Cat said:

This post is mainly to criticize Saudi Arabia's Government for their choices, not to criticize islam.



yea?

and how do you feel about Shariah law?


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Apostle]
    #23612063 - 09/04/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The problem is religion in general.

I don't think the Saudi government would be any different if they were Christian. They'd probably still be doing the exact same shit to atheists, and going by the laws in Leviticus and elsewhere in the old testament. Not to even mention the crazy fucked up shit they'd use revelations to justify.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: nooneman]
    #23612082 - 09/04/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem is religion in general.

I don't think the Saudi government would be any different if they were Christian. They'd probably still be doing the exact same shit to atheists, and going by the laws in Leviticus and elsewhere in the old testament. Not to even mention the crazy fucked up shit they'd use revelations to justify.



There goes the relativistic retardatio.

christianity and islam are not equa. just look at the societies that are full of christians and the ones full of muslims. wat you just said is complete stupidity

all religions are equal, look at what a good person i am making a statement that proves I have no sense of reality


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Apostle]
    #23612105 - 09/04/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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wait, so the land with insanely harsh rules(that they make no attempt at hiding) gave him the opportunity to repent and he didnt?

he wanted to go to prison.




Also yea, he should've probably accepted his place in society, admit his beliefs were inferior, but this man is like the Nelson Mandela of atheism. Instead of going to prison 27 yrs tho, he went for 10 :shrug:

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This post is mainly to criticize Saudi Arabia's Government for their choices, not to criticize islam.



yea?

and how do you feel about Shariah law?



I don't like Shariah Law...


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23612117 - 09/04/16 05:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Those cildren Carlin is speaking of wont have jobs either if they dont figure out they dont know what they ar rebelin against


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23612121 - 09/04/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem is religion in general.

I don't think the Saudi government would be any different if they were Christian. They'd probably still be doing the exact same shit to atheists, and going by the laws in Leviticus and elsewhere in the old testament. Not to even mention the crazy fucked up shit they'd use revelations to justify.



There goes the relativistic retardatio.

christianity and islam are not equa. just look at the societies that are full of christians and the ones full of muslims. wat you just said is complete stupidity

all religions are equal, look at what a good person i am making a statement that proves I have no sense of reality



That's a bunch of bullshit.

Christianity is every bit as bad, and there have been plenty of Christian dictators that murdered and tortured people throughout history. I can name tons of south american dictators who were catholic, or I could point out that Hitler was Christian. Or I could point to the frequent persecution of atheists and gays in extremely conservative Christian African countries. And that doesn't even touch on the spanish inquisitions, or the crusades.

Christianity is a total shit religion that is every bit just as bad as every other shit religion. No matter what religion you believe in, you're contributing to continued bullshit.

Five minute listening to any baptist preacher in this country should be enough to convince anyone that Christianity is fucked.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23612139 - 09/04/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There is a differance between being a cristian and commiting atrocities and commiting atrocities because of the dictates of cristianity.
In fat, efore a few decades ago, most people were religious. Peple who talk like you thinki that mmeans every dictator who was cristian did it because of christanity

Islam has what it does codified and ther have been many more deaths caused by the dictates of Islam. The Inquasition(a response to Islam) was nothing compaired to the deaths caused by islam today.Mabe a few tousand were directly killed by the Inquasition

the crusades were also a rsponse to islamic invasions of Europe and Israel, and they were amost nothing compaired to the Islamic assult.

you dont know history at all. you are embarassing yourself


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: nooneman]
    #23612154 - 09/04/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"For The Source Of Extremism Look No Further Than Saudi Arabia"


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23612156 - 09/04/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Those cildren Carlin is speaking of wont have jobs either if they dont figure out they dont know what they ar rebelin against



That quote was part of a comedy act, of course the children may not have jobs if they ignore teachers. But the quote is mainly a metaphorical representation for "those who question everything". The Nonconformists in society. You can still go to school, learn what you need to learn and be a nonconformist. If you watch george carlin alot, he always tells everyone in the audience to question everything. So did Socrates. And many other philosophers and historical figures.

Also the quote was a joke to make fun of parents who have "I'm the proud parent of an honor student." on the back of their car.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat] * 1
    #23612158 - 09/04/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck Saudi Arabia


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat] * 1
    #23612191 - 09/04/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Those cildren Carlin is speaking of wont have jobs either if they dont figure out they dont know what they ar rebelin against



That quote was part of a comedy act, of course the children may not have jobs if they ignore teachers. But the quote is mainly a metaphorical representation for "those who question everything". The Nonconformists in society. You can still go to school, learn what you need to learn and be a nonconformist. If you watch george carlin alot, he always tells everyone in the audience to question everything. So did Socrates. And many other philosophers and historical figures.

Also the quote was a joke to make fun of parents who have "I'm the proud parent of an honor student." on the back of their car.



I can agree with all of that
It seems that alot of people I know rebel against everything without knowing what they are rebeling against


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 3
    #23612192 - 09/04/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

10 years? That was nice of them. Beats a public stoning.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat] * 2
    #23612633 - 09/04/16 08:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Orrr maybe choose his battles and emigrate to a country where he could voice his atheism and disapproval of the Saudi administration without losing over a decade of his life.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Apostle]
    #23612735 - 09/04/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the middle east is a true nightmare,no more visas for muslims
There r probably hundreds allready here trying to work up the balls to do something like that couple in so cal


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat] * 1
    #23612744 - 09/04/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Prison is a step up for saudi arabia. Not too long ago, they were sentencing people to death for shit like that.


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    #23612856 - 09/04/16 09:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is the guy sentenced



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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23612959 - 09/04/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Saudi Arabia is an Islamic state. That guy was a moron for what he did. Bitch all you want about the western world, but we have rights here that many counties couldn't even dream of. Saudi Arabia is a country where you need to be super careful.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #23612962 - 09/04/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuck Saudi Arabia




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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Cowb0yNeal00] * 3
    #23613015 - 09/04/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Mecca such a beautiful city tho

So lush :awecid:




errrr I mean this is mecca




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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: twighead]
    #23613032 - 09/04/16 10:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Its a garbage country of garbage people that has a garbage history. They couldnt even drill thyeir own oil, so we had to. we should have jusr kept it and let them live their lives like they aways had, kiling each other over the resources they dont have.

Now I wish we would just blow them to othing and show the Muslim world what they get for all the centuries of jihad
political, by word, by money, by sword, fuck Jihad, fuck Muslims. all of them

aftr 9/11 it should be obvious. you can be Arab, Baharanian, qatari, United Arab Emerati(?), but not Muslim


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23613168 - 09/04/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just want to see a bomb dropped on that black box.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Apostle]
    #23613209 - 09/04/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im pretty sure thats where Allah and maybe Muhammed live now


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23613279 - 09/05/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fitting that the anti-christ would dwell on Earth


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23613286 - 09/05/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The problem is religion in general.

I don't think the Saudi government would be any different if they were Christian. They'd probably still be doing the exact same shit to atheists, and going by the laws in Leviticus and elsewhere in the old testament. Not to even mention the crazy fucked up shit they'd use revelations to justify.



There goes the relativistic retardatio.

christianity and islam are not equa. just look at the societies that are full of christians and the ones full of muslims. wat you just said is complete stupidity

all religions are equal, look at what a good person i am making a statement that proves I have no sense of reality




He could be right. Just look at those African Christian countries that still practice female genital mutilation and exterminate homosexuals.

A lot of those supposed "Islamic" customs, such as wearing headscarves, are actually customs that pre-date Islam and are more cultural than it is religious. The Virgin Mary wore a hijab. So it's likely they would still be doing a lot of the same shit if Christian extremism became just as popular.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613290 - 09/05/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Male genital mutilation is pretty rampant here too.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613294 - 09/05/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No she didn't.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Apostle]
    #23613323 - 09/05/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No she didn't.




Yes, she did. Have you not noticed that nuns wear a piece of cloth over their heads that is very reminiscent to the hijab?

In any case, hijab and face covering is a custom that pre-dates Islam, it existed in society long before Islamic religion came to fruition.

Look at all of Mary's pictures, she is wearing the veil.




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Male genital mutilation is pretty rampant here too.




Not analogous or remotely the same. Male circumcision consists of removing the foreskin, which is similar to removing the hood of the clitoris. In female genital mutilation, the entire clitoris and labia are cut off. In order to be analogous, that would be equivalent to cutting off the entire penis and testicles on a man.

Not only that, but these women are not babies when this surgery is done. It is done usually when they are around age 12-15, while they are fully conscious, under no anesthesia. They will remember the pain and be traumatized by it and everything.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613334 - 09/05/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Those christian countries like Nigeria have large Muslim populations, and alot of it is them

they are primative people though. we can look at the beliefes in the largest most advanced Muslim countris and see how things go

Indonesia and Turkey


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613336 - 09/05/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

its not a Hijab though.


Which is what you claimed.



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is a veil traditionally worn by Muslim women in the presence of adult males outside of their immediate family, which usually covers the head and chest.




Mary didn't wear a Hijab


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Apostle]
    #23613350 - 09/05/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

How is it not a hijab? It's a piece of cloth that covers the hair and the chest.

The word "hijab" simply is the Arabic word for veil. They are worn in many different styles. The Virgin Mary wore a hijab.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Apostle]
    #23613355 - 09/05/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Its still male genital mutilation by definition, there is no getting around that. It's alot more traumatic to a boys development than people know or are willing to acknowledge.

The genital mutilations in Africa are also very horrendous because of the sheer brutality.
The genital mutilations in america are horrendous because they are with overwhelming public approval which was won over by fraudulent medical claims over several generations.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613362 - 09/05/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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How is it not a hijab? It's a piece of cloth that covers the hair and the chest.





Because she wasn't muslim and that is part of the definition of Hijab. There are also stipulations within the definition as to when it is usually worn and those don't apply to Mary either.



Definitions exist for a reason. She didn't wear a hijab.

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is a veil traditionally worn by Muslim women in the presence of adult males outside of their immediate family, which usually covers the head and chest. The term can further refer to any head, face, or body covering worn by Muslim women that conforms to a certain standard of modesty. Hijab can also be used to refer to the seclusion of women from men in the public sphere, or it may denote a metaphysical dimension, for example referring to "the veil which separates man or the world from God"




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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Apostle]
    #23613367 - 09/05/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Apostle]
    #23613371 - 09/05/16 12:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't support circumcision, people primarily started doing it for religious reasons. I am disputing the claim that it's just as bad as female genital mutilation though, in reality FGM is much worse.

I will say though, some men prefer being circumcised, and a lot of women prefer the feel of a circumcised penis. IMO it feels a lot harder than an uncut penis.

Female genital mutilation on the other hand, prevents women from EVER achieving sexual arousal or sexual activity ever again.


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    #23613381 - 09/05/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Because she wasn't muslim and that is part of the definition of Hijab. There are also stipulations within the definition as to when it is usually worn and those don't apply to Mary either.




No, it's NOT. As I already stated previously, the hijab was being worn in pre-Arabic societies long BEFORE Islam ever existed. It has nothing to do with Islam. Hence why you see the Virgin Mary wearing a headscarf.

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is a veil traditionally worn by Muslim women in the presence of adult males outside of their immediate family




That doesn't say it's only ever been worn by Muslim women. It says it's traditionally a thing Muslims do.

So, explain how it's only a Muslim thing when the wearing of hijab has long existed before Islam ever existed.

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elite women in ancient Greco-Roman, pre-Islamic Iranian, and Byzantine societies practiced veiling. It was not until the reign of the Safavids in the Ottoman Empire, an area that extends through the Middle East and North Africa, in the 16th century that the veil emerged as a symbol of social status among Muslims. Since the 19th century Muslims have embraced veiling as a cultural practice rather than simply an Islamic practice (Hood far, 2003).




The Q'uran never actually says women should wear the hijab. It only makes references and tell stories of Mohammed's wives who wore the hijab at that time. The Q'uran never explicitly says women should wear the hijab, only that they should cover their bosoms.

If you look up "history of hijab," you can see that it has nothing to do with Islam:

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The tradition of veiling and seclusion (known together as hijab) was introduced into Arabia long before Muhammad, primarily through Arab contacts with Syria and Iran , where the hijab was a sign of social status. After all, only a woman who need not work in the fields could afford to remain secluded and veiled.




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    #23613402 - 09/05/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well right off the bat you are denying what the definition of Hijab is. If you accept it though, then you will know that Mary didn't wear one.

we can do like we did last thread, where you claimed people don't upload random videos to the internet, that's fine with me.
Hopefully, like then, you'll realize after 3 pages that words exist for a reason and that what mary wore does not fit the definition of a hijab.
i'll have to take you up on it tomorrow morning though. or later this morning i guess. i'm going to bed.


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    #23613419 - 09/05/16 12:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Well right off the bat you are denying what the definition of Hijab is. If you accept it though, then you will know that Mary didn't wear one.

we can do like we did last thread, where you claimed people don't upload random videos to the internet, that's fine with me.
Hopefully, like then, you'll realize after 3 pages that words exist for a reason and that what mary wore does not fit the definition of a hijab.
i'll have to take you up on it tomorrow morning though. or later this morning i guess. i'm going to bed.




What do you think Arabs were calling the hijab before Islam ever existed? I'll give you a hint: They called it the hijab.

You're claiming it's only hijab if Muslim women wear it, which is not true.

Your own Wikipedia link even talks about pre-Islamic dating practices, and it says:

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Veiling did not originate with the advent of Islam. Statuettes depicting veiled priestesses precede all three Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam), dating back as far as 2500 BCE.[50]




It also provides pictures of a Roman statue depicting the Vestal Virgin as wearing the hijab. Her hijab looks very similar to what nuns wear.

So there you have it. Virgin Mary wore a hijab. Nuns wear hijab.




Here's the virgin Mary by comparison. If she's not wearing a hijab, what is she wearing then? A veil? A headscarf? Because that is literally the definition of hijab.



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    #23613433 - 09/05/16 12:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea right there in the place where you went to find that it says Mary wore a hijab, it says she wore a Hijab.

Too bad it's not true.


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    #23613438 - 09/05/16 12:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea right there in the place where you went to find that it says Mary wore a hijab, it says she wore a Hijab.

Too bad it's not true.




You haven't answered the question. What is she wearing then, if it's not a hijab? Is it a veil? Is it a headscarf?


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    #23613443 - 09/05/16 01:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

As there are no photos of Mary nor any paintings, etc., made during the time she was alive, we have no clue what she wore. The "Hijab", however, did not come into existence until about 400-500 years after the time that she lived. So for her to have worn it she would have had to have invented the Hijab. Something that would surely have gotten a mention in history. The paintings that depict her in a "hijb" like garment(still not a hijab by definition) come from the Middle Ages. Long after she lived and after the garment had been created.


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    #23613448 - 09/05/16 01:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The "Hijab", however, did not come into existence until about 400-500 years after the time that she lived. So for her to have worn it she would have had to have invented the Hijab.




Uhmmmm, no it didn't. The practice existed in 2500 BC. Women in ancient Mesopotamia and the ancient Persian empire were wearing it.

Furthermore, the Bible itself makes references to head coverings.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613451 - 09/05/16 01:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the wearing of the head covering was not common in the time when Mary lived. It became popular between the time of Jesus and the time of Muhammad, which is why Muhammad taught it, and Jesus did not. The images of Mary wearing a covering coming from the middle ages and the time of the Crusades, when there were few Jewish still living in the Holy Land, and the Christians going there only meet Muslims woman who wore the hijab, so they incorrectly carried the hijab back with them and applied it to Jewish women of the time of Jesus. At the time of Jesus, as today, it was the men who covered their heads during prayer.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Apostle]
    #23613470 - 09/05/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is that why nuns wear veils over their heads too? Because it was unpopular in Christianity? Because Christians wear many different types of veils. There's the tabernacle veil, the lenten veil, and the chancel veil (which was popular during the Byzantine era).

Traditionally, in Christianity, women were enjoined to cover their heads in church. This practice is based on 1 Corinthians 11:4–16, where St. Paul writes:

Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head. But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved. For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil. A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; nor was man created for woman, but woman for man; for this reason a woman should have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels.

Your own link that you posted states this:

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Elite women in ancient Mesopotamia and in the Byzantine, Greek, and Persian empires wore the veil as a sign of respectability and high status.[51] In ancient Mesopotamia, Assyria had explicit sumptuary laws detailing which women must veil and which women must not, depending upon the woman's class, rank, and occupation in society.[51] Female slaves and prostitutes were forbidden to veil and faced harsh penalties if they did so.[13] Veiling was thus not only a marker of aristocratic rank, but also served to "differentiate between 'respectable' women and those who were publicly available".[51][13]

Strict seclusion and the veiling of matrons were also customary in ancient Greece. Between 550 and 323 B.C.E, prior to Christianity, respectable women in classical Greek society were expected to seclude themselves and wear clothing that concealed them from the eyes of strange men.[52]




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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613473 - 09/05/16 01:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Now you're backtracking and claiming we don't know whether Virgin Mary truly wore a veil or not. All I'm saying is, based on the depictions out there of her that exist, she wore a hijab, a veil, a headscarf, whatever you want to call it.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613475 - 09/05/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No she didn't.




Yes, she did. Have you not noticed that nuns wear a piece of cloth over their heads that is very reminiscent to the hijab?

In any case, hijab and face covering is a custom that pre-dates Islam, it existed in society long before Islamic religion came to fruition.

Look at all of Mary's pictures, she is wearing the veil.








I doubt she did (especially in such a western style)

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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613484 - 09/05/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Based on the definition of Hijab, you cant possibly be right.

that was my first argument and it remains the same.

tell me crystal, how do you feel about people being able to randomly upload videos online for no particular reason?


Do you still think it is beyond the realm of possibility? because i noticed you stopped posting in that thread.

Fuckin A, Crystal.


Till tommorow, gnite.


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    #23613503 - 09/05/16 01:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Based on the definition of Hijab, you cant possibly be right.

that was my first argument and it remains the same.




The definition of "Hijab" means veil. Hijab, as I stated previously, is the Arabic word for veil.

Mary is therefore wearing hijab.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613508 - 09/05/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The koran isnt the only book in Islam, there is the Hadiths and Suna which detain Muhammed's life and wants. You know those countries your parents said they whipe with a certain hand? Its because that is how muhammed whiped


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    #23613512 - 09/05/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The koran isnt the only book in Islam, there is the Hadiths and Suna which detain Muhammed's life and wants.




Not all Muslims practice Hadith, the reason for that is because it was written 200 years after Mohammed died, and therefore some people say it is not really based on Mohammed's word.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613526 - 09/05/16 01:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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is a veil traditionally worn by Muslim women in the presence of adult males outside of their immediate family, which usually covers the head and chest.





That's weird, the definition of a word keeps remaining the same no matter how many times i look it up.


I guess i should just ask you directly from now on.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613553 - 09/05/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The koran isnt the only book in Islam, there is the Hadiths and Suna which detain Muhammed's life and wants.




Not all Muslims practice Hadith, the reason for that is because it was written 200 years after Mohammed died, and therefore some people say it is not really based on Mohammed's word.



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    #23613560 - 09/05/16 02:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That definition says it's TRADITIONALLY worn by Muslim women, because it is. In modern society that is primarily who wears the hijab.

But as we already assessed, it is not ONLY a Muslim thing. And we already assessed that the wearing of hijab existed before Islam was created.

If you look up Google Translate, you'll see that حجاب translates to veil: https://translate.google.com/#ar/en/حجاب

Seriously, I don't understand what's so difficult to understand about this.

I already proved your statement incorrect that it's only a Muslim thing. YOU YOURSELF stated that it's not just a Muslim thing since you acknowledge it existed before the days of Mohammed. So I don't even know what you're arguing about anymore.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23613563 - 09/05/16 02:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nothing, i made my point. Mary didn't wear a Hijab.You can pick whatever reason suits you as to why this is true, there are plenty to choose from.

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    #23613581 - 09/05/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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want to see some traffic ticket videos?




Yes, I waited on some traffic ticket videos that weren't educational or sexy or humorous or shocking or any of those other adjectives I listed in that thread, and I never got it. That's why the conversation died.


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    #23613584 - 09/05/16 02:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The Bible Mary's head wear style.  It's an absurd argument to be having.


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    #23613613 - 09/05/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Corinthians 11:4–16, where St. Paul writes:

Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head. But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved. For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil. A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; nor was man created for woman, but woman for man; for this reason a woman should have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels.




:lolsy:

That paragraph is hilarious, what sheer idiocy.
I love how it ends "because of the angels and shit"
Fucking wow


As far as the Hijab is concerned, I'm going to side with Crystal, the point was made unequivocally.


The guy in OP is a fool, just because he wants a right, doesn't mean he has it.
That's the whole idea of having rights in the first place, they are allowances.
Anyways if you're an atheist, why would you believe in any kind of natural given right?


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23613645 - 09/05/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In the 60's in the US people like Leary were sentenced to 30 years in prison for a "roach" of Marijuana.

Timothy Tyler just got pardoned by Obama. He was serving a life sentence for LSD (the 3 times law).

I don't consider those people "fools".

Is someone a fool who gets kllled in a robbery? After all, the world is full of thieves and murders. -- They should have known???

The people who commit those things are the evil -- not the people who are the victims!!!


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    #23613650 - 09/05/16 03:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The Bible Mary's head wear style.  It's an absurd argument to be having.



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    #23614038 - 09/05/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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In the 60's in the US people like Leary were sentenced to 30 years in prison for a "roach" of Marijuana.

Timothy Tyler just got pardoned by Obama. He was serving a life sentence for LSD (the 3 times law).

I don't consider those people "fools".




There are large differences.

) Publicly criticizing Islam in Wahhabi Mecca, is an entirely futile and suicidal endeavor
He's not getting high and his statement will not be heard

) Claiming to have rights he clearly does not have
Especially as an atheist, where is this supposed natural born right coming from?


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Is someone a fool who gets kllled in a robbery? After all, the world is full of thieves and murders. -- They should have known???

The people who commit those things are the evil -- not the people who are the victims!!!




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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23614061 - 09/05/16 08:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I hate saudi arabia, I was just watching a documentary on it, and its founding.

at the airports there they have drug detection machines that use swabs like the bomb detecting machines at american airports.

The machine is so sensitive that a british guy got 4 years in a saudi jail for 0.003 grams, smaller than a grain of sugar, found in the tread of his shoes. Thats right, the guy stepped somewhere where someone else dropped some weed at some point and got thrown in jail.

Another guy got arrested for 3 poppy seed crumbs from a bagel that fell off onto his lap.
that country is fucking insane.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512815/Briton-jailed-years-Dubai-customs-cannabis-weighing-grain-sugar-shoe.html


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    #23614074 - 09/05/16 08:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, that's some despicable shit.

Saudi Arabia is a piece of shit for many reasons
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    #23614227 - 09/05/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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There is a differance between being a cristian and commiting atrocities and commiting atrocities because of the dictates of cristianity.
In fat, efore a few decades ago, most people were religious. Peple who talk like you thinki that mmeans every dictator who was cristian did it because of christanity

Islam has what it does codified and ther have been many more deaths caused by the dictates of Islam. The Inquasition(a response to Islam) was nothing compaired to the deaths caused by islam today.Mabe a few tousand were directly killed by the Inquasition

the crusades were also a rsponse to islamic invasions of Europe and Israel, and they were amost nothing compaired to the Islamic assult.

you dont know history at all. you are embarassing yourself



everyone killed one another back then. you don't know YOUR history. and religion is the cause of much violence in the world, in general, and you, like nooneman said, just contribute to the idiocy continuing. you think, with your little brain, that if Islam hadn't ever existed, that Christians would be peaceniks. it's absurd. you're absurd. Christian America is absurd. religion, in general, isn't totally abject or terrible...but idiocy is. just because Islam is codified, doesn't add up to diddly-squat. they are all codified. so what? the Old Testament gets paired with the New Testament in the Bible. there are fundamentalist whom believe in the literal word of the Bible. i don't care how much more crap is in the Koran, when you got lines like

"A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death" [(Leviticus 21:9)]

you've got a fuckin' problem codified in your precious extra special religious gobbelty-gook. and don't say that "oh it's not the New Testament, Jesus would never!" because Jesus said

"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." [(Matthew 5:18-19)]

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    #23614236 - 09/05/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

Crystal G said:
Corinthians 11:4–16, where St. Paul writes:

Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered brings shame upon his head. But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved. For if a woman does not have her head veiled, she may as well have her hair cut off. But if it is shameful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should wear a veil. A man, on the other hand, should not cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; nor was man created for woman, but woman for man; for this reason a woman should have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels.




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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23614238 - 09/05/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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There is a differance between being a cristian and commiting atrocities and commiting atrocities because of the dictates of cristianity.
In fat, efore a few decades ago, most people were religious. Peple who talk like you thinki that mmeans every dictator who was cristian did it because of christanity

Islam has what it does codified and ther have been many more deaths caused by the dictates of Islam. The Inquasition(a response to Islam) was nothing compaired to the deaths caused by islam today.Mabe a few tousand were directly killed by the Inquasition

the crusades were also a rsponse to islamic invasions of Europe and Israel, and they were amost nothing compaired to the Islamic assult.

you dont know history at all. you are embarassing yourself



everyone killed one another back then. you don't know YOUR history. and religion is the cause of much violence in the world, in general, and you, like nooneman said, just contribute to the idiocy continuing. you think, with your little brain, that if Islam hadn't ever existed, that Christians would be peaceniks. it's absurd. you're absurd. Christian America is absurd. religious people, in general, isn't totally abject or terrible...but idiocy is. just because Islam is codified, doesn't add up to diddly-squat. they are all codified. so what? the Old Testament gets paired with the New Testament in the Bible. there are fundamentalist whom believe in the literal word of the Bible. i don't care how much more crap is in the Koran, when you got lines like

"A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death" [(Leviticus 21:9)]

you've got a fuckin' problem codified in your precious extra special religious gobbelty-gook. and don't say that "oh it's not the New Testament, Jesus would never!" because Jesus said

"For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." [(Matthew 5:18-19)]




"and religion is the cause of much violence in the world"

Finite resources is the real cause, committing violence in the name of religion doesn't mean it's the real cause of it.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23620581 - 09/07/16 02:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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endogenous said:
In the 60's in the US people like Leary were sentenced to 30 years in prison for a "roach" of Marijuana.

Timothy Tyler just got pardoned by Obama. He was serving a life sentence for LSD (the 3 times law).

I don't consider those people "fools".




There are large differences.

) Publicly criticizing Islam in Wahhabi Mecca, is an entirely futile and suicidal endeavor
He's not getting high and his statement will not be heard

) Claiming to have rights he clearly does not have
Especially as an atheist, where is this supposed natural born right coming from?


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Is someone a fool who gets kllled in a robbery? After all, the world is full of thieves and murders. -- They should have known???

The people who commit those things are the evil -- not the people who are the victims!!!




Does not equate. Irrelevant.



So your position is that every person who stands against injustice in an unjust society, is a fool and deserves to be punished.

You side with the Roman inquisition and think that Bruno deserved to be burned at the stake for saying that the earth revolves around the sun along with disbelief in Catholicism.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: qman]
    #23620594 - 09/07/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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qman said:

"and religion is the cause of much violence in the world"

Finite resources is the real cause, committing violence in the name of religion doesn't mean it's the real cause of it.



CORRECT


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23620598 - 09/07/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Freedom of speech is something we often take for granted


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: The Cheshire Cat]
    #23620603 - 09/07/16 02:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, God is good.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: timelapses]
    #23620657 - 09/07/16 03:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They offered you a choice between the death of your principles and the death of your body. You said you'd rather die. You faced the fear of your own death and you were calm and still. The door of the cage is open, Evey. All that you feel is the wind from outside.”

Saudi Arabia, America's biggest corrupt ally taxpayers.  Look into how much money goes to them and how they use it.  This trivial news is nothing to the big picture and what they do.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Shroomopotamus]
    #23620742 - 09/07/16 05:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuck Saudi Arabia




No fucking nations you can't find on a map stupid American


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: endogenous]
    #23621260 - 09/07/16 09:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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endogenous said:
Quote:

Repertoire89 said:
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endogenous said:
In the 60's in the US people like Leary were sentenced to 30 years in prison for a "roach" of Marijuana.

Timothy Tyler just got pardoned by Obama. He was serving a life sentence for LSD (the 3 times law).

I don't consider those people "fools".




There are large differences.

) Publicly criticizing Islam in Wahhabi Mecca, is an entirely futile and suicidal endeavor
He's not getting high and his statement will not be heard

) Claiming to have rights he clearly does not have
Especially as an atheist, where is this supposed natural born right coming from?


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Is someone a fool who gets kllled in a robbery? After all, the world is full of thieves and murders. -- They should have known???

The people who commit those things are the evil -- not the people who are the victims!!!




Does not equate. Irrelevant.



So your position is that every person who stands against injustice in an unjust society, is a fool and deserves to be punished.

You side with the Roman inquisition and think that Bruno deserved to be burned at the stake for saying that the earth revolves around the sun along with disbelief in Catholicism.




Just realized who I was talking to, come back in 5 years when you've grown up a little.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23624707 - 09/08/16 04:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Repertoire89 said:
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endogenous said:
In the 60's in the US people like Leary were sentenced to 30 years in prison for a "roach" of Marijuana.

Timothy Tyler just got pardoned by Obama. He was serving a life sentence for LSD (th 3 times law).

I don't consider those people "fools".




There are large differences.

) Publicly criticizing Islam in Wahhabi Mecca, is an entirely futile and suicidal endeavor




I see you're not anti-war. Here is a person who is non-violently risking his life for his beliefs, while the war against Saudi Arabia that you advocate would likely kill mostly civilians and children. In any case, you're obviously only in favor of risking your life when it's something YOU believe in.

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He's not getting high and his statement will not be heard




I wonder why we're talking about something that none of us has even heard?

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) Claiming to have rights he clearly does not have
Especially as an atheist, where is this supposed natural born right coming from?




Wow
So people don't have the natural born right to speak the truth?  Uhhh - what world did you say you're from?


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: chulutu]
    #23625021 - 09/08/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I hate saudi arabia, I was just watching a documentary on it, and its founding.

at the airports there they have drug detection machines that use swabs like the bomb detecting machines at american airports.

The machine is so sensitive that a british guy got 4 years in a saudi jail for 0.003 grams, smaller than a grain of sugar, found in the tread of his shoes. Thats right, the guy stepped somewhere where someone else dropped some weed at some point and got thrown in jail.

Another guy got arrested for 3 poppy seed crumbs from a bagel that fell off onto his lap.
that country is fucking insane.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512815/Briton-jailed-years-Dubai-customs-cannabis-weighing-grain-sugar-shoe.html



That article is about the united arab emirates, not saudi arabia


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: endogenous]
    #23625341 - 09/08/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I see you're not anti-war. Here is a person who is non-violently risking his life for his beliefs, while the war against Saudi Arabia that you advocate would likely kill mostly civilians and children.




Maybe he should be a man and pick up a gun.
Collateral damage. Cleaning out SA would save many lives globally.

We still owe them for 9/11 as well, and I don't care about your pacifism.


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In any case, you're obviously only in favor of risking your life when it's something YOU believe in.




No shit? How insightful.


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He's not getting high and his statement will not be heard

I wonder why we're talking about something that none of us has even heard




:lol:  the Saudi's don't care what a bunch of metrosexuals 5000 miles away think about their evil.



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) Claiming to have rights he clearly does not have
Especially as an atheist, where is this supposed natural born right coming from?


Wow
So people don't have the natural born right to speak the truth?  Uhhh - what world did you say you're from?




I don't know why I'm responding to you, but listen here fool:

"Rights" are not tangible objects, they are concepts.

The dumbass mentioned in OP is an atheist. Without a god to set down an objective ethical system, the only one which could exist is cultural or governmental (again, because "rights" are not tangible objects, they are ideas). If you don't know anything about that part of the world, such a right is not inherent.

It doesn't matter how entitled you feel, no one who matters cares.
They're not going to listen, hence he will not be heard.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23625356 - 09/08/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm with Apostle on this one. Don't pity a man who chooses to suffer...


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: literberry]
    #23625369 - 09/08/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm with Apostle on this one. Don't pity a man who chooses to suffer...




Yeah, the guy was being very naive

Mine as well try and drink the ocean


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: rickpsfuckyou]
    #23625466 - 09/08/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I hate saudi arabia, I was just watching a documentary on it, and its founding.

at the airports there they have drug detection machines that use swabs like the bomb detecting machines at american airports.

The machine is so sensitive that a british guy got 4 years in a saudi jail for 0.003 grams, smaller than a grain of sugar, found in the tread of his shoes. Thats right, the guy stepped somewhere where someone else dropped some weed at some point and got thrown in jail.

Another guy got arrested for 3 poppy seed crumbs from a bagel that fell off onto his lap.
that country is fucking insane.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512815/Briton-jailed-years-Dubai-customs-cannabis-weighing-grain-sugar-shoe.html



That article is about the united arab emirates, not saudi arabia




Lol, I remember reading about how insane customs agents are in Dubai though. They found 3 poppy seeds on a guy's T-shirt. They found an amount of weed so minuscule under the sole of a guy' shoe, that you would need a magnifying glass to view it.

These customs agents are the most thorough people ever at their jobs.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23627793 - 09/09/16 02:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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endogenous said:

I see you're not anti-war. Here is a person who is non-violently risking his life for his beliefs, while the war against Saudi Arabia that you advocate would likely kill mostly civilians and children.




Maybe he should be a man and pick up a gun.




I guess Christ wasn't a man in your estimation.

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Collateral damage.




Collateral damage??? The "collateral damage" is the terrorists who died.
"Overall, figures by the Iraq Body Count from 20 March 2003 to 14 March 2013 indicate that of 174,000 casualties only 39,900 were combatants." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio#Iraq_War

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Cleaning out SA would save many lives globally.



Oh right -- everyone can see how effective it was to clean out Iraq. -- THAT'S WHAT CREATED ISIL!!!!!

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We still owe them for 9/11 as well, and I don't care about your pacifism.



You also don't care about what actually saves lives.

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In any case, you're obviously only in favor of risking your life when it's something YOU believe in.




No shit? How insightful.



You think it's fine for yourself to risk your life -- and kill many others in the process -- for something you believe in -- but your'e unable to understand why someone else would want to do the same thing (without killing anyone in the process.).

"Obtuse" -- that's what it's called.

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the Saudi's don't care what a bunch of metrosexuals 5000 miles away think about their evil.



Do you really think that the people in power in Saudi Arabia don't care about how they're portrayed in the western media and the internet?

Obtuse - obtuse.
adjective
1.
not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.





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I don't know why I'm responding to you, but listen here fool:

"Rights" are not tangible objects, they are concepts.

The dumbass mentioned in OP is an atheist. Without a god to set down an objective ethical system,




"13 It is not listening to the Law but keeping it that will make people holy in the sight of God. 14 For instance, pagans who never heard of the Law but are led by reason to do what the Law commands, may not actually "posses" the Law, but they can be said to "be" the Law. 15 They can point to the substance of the Law engraved on their hearts - they can call a witness, that is, their own conscience - they have accusation and defence, that is, their own inner mental dialogue." - Romans, 2,13 (St. Paul)


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: Crystal G]
    #23627810 - 09/09/16 02:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Not analogous or remotely the same. Male circumcision consists of removing the foreskin, which is similar to removing the hood of the clitoris. In female genital mutilation, the entire clitoris and labia are cut off. In order to be analogous, that would be equivalent to cutting off the entire penis and testicles on a man.




That's not analogous at all. Analogous would be like.. cutting the tip off. Cutting the labia and clitoris off might prevent ever having an orgasm but you still have the ovaries and can still function and have sex. Can't have sex or babies without a dick or balls.


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Re: 10-Years in Prison for Tweets Criticizing Islam!?! [Re: endogenous]
    #23627855 - 09/09/16 02:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not going to communicate further with the likes of you.


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