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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: PsycheUltimatum]
    #23611754 - 09/04/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think thats part of their appeal. Explain how different your trips are.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23611771 - 09/04/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Every trip is different, that's just how tripping is.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: PsycheUltimatum]
    #23611837 - 09/04/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yup.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: PsycheUltimatum]
    #23611858 - 09/04/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes mushrooms are different every time. I find LSD though can get a bit repetitive.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: PsycheUltimatum]
    #23612147 - 09/04/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah set and setting are very important, the journies you take are greatly affected by the set and setting. The variety is nice, it's always better to get the amazing euphoric trips over the severely heady ones, but even those can be worthwhile :mushroom2:


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: PsycheUltimatum]
    #23613644 - 09/05/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

not jusst mushroom, all psychedelic trip are like this for me never the same


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #23614119 - 09/05/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

R you an assassin?


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: Lucy9]
    #23614122 - 09/05/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was tripping the other night walking down the highway it was so starry out and the stars were in my Hood


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: PsycheUltimatum]
    #23614184 - 09/05/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Now that I think about it all psychedelic trips are different but I don't think they differ as much as shrooms do




yes I agree

The only conclusion I can draw from this is that these DMT-related compounds give more variety.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: PsycheUltimatum]
    #23618816 - 09/06/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Each strain of mushroom produces several other substrains, that's why is different every time.

You gotta find a good substrain and clone.

Each substrain has a personality of its own, some are humorous, dark, philosophical, machinery, spiritual , you gotta find one that is best for you.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: Aureus]
    #23618855 - 09/06/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Each strain of mushroom produces several other substrains, that's why is different every time.





Not true I've tripped on the exact same batch only 7 days apart and they were both WILD but totally in their own way. The first one was incredibly alien, shamanic primordial and cosmic and the next trip was extremely elfin and mythical and a whole lot of fun whereas the other one was much more serious and extraterrestrial. It was like 2 different drugs. Not to mention I've tripped 2 days in a row before and had wildly different results on the second day and very different hallucinations.


I think you meant species btw. Each species has different strains among them. Like how Golden teachers are strain of the cubensis species. 

IME psilocybin has a number of regular "themes" that it goes off from or what a lot of people call archetypes.

I've noticed mushroom trips often times will be either alien, tribal/mayan, shamanic, ancient, gnomic/elfin, mythical, cavernous, occultish, earthy, cosmic, norse/celtic etc.

They don't seem particular to any strain or species ime.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23619012 - 09/06/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Actually each batch has different substrains if they are grown via multi-spore, that's called genetc diversity and the reason why even mushrooms from the same batch have different potencies, grades of color, size, shape, more occurrence of clusters or not, mutants etc... that's why people clone.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23619014 - 09/06/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Each strain of mushroom produces several other substrains, that's why is different every time.





Not true I've tripped on the exact same batch only 7 days apart and they were both WILD but totally in their own way. The first one was incredibly alien, shamanic primordial and cosmic and the next trip was extremely elfin and mythical and a whole lot of fun whereas the other one was much more serious and extraterrestrial. It was like 2 different drugs. Not to mention I've tripped 2 days in a row before and had wildly different results on the second day and very different hallucinations.


I think you meant species btw. Each species has different strains among them. Like how Golden teachers are strain of the cubensis species. 

IME psilocybin has a number of regular "themes" that it goes off from or what a lot of people call archetypes.

I've noticed mushroom trips often times will be either alien, tribal/mayan, shamanic, ancient, gnomic/elfin, mythical, cavernous, occultish, earthy, cosmic, norse/celtic etc.

They don't seem particular to any strain or species ime.




That is some bold information.  I mean that in a good way.  Please, don't take me wrong.

Can you tell what kind of psychedelic experience a mushroom will give you from the way it looks?  i.e. color, patterns, shape, size

The shrooms ARE consistent.  Too consistent, I guess.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: Lucy9]
    #23619056 - 09/06/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's not possible, you have to find through trial and error.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23619161 - 09/06/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes mushrooms are different every time. I find LSD though can get a bit repetitive.



nice ive noticed a similar thing


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: Aureus]
    #23619339 - 09/06/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Actually each batch has different substrains if they are grown via multi-spore, that's called genetc diversity and the reason why even mushrooms from the same batch have different potencies, grades of color, size, shape, more occurrence of clusters or not, mutants etc... that's why people clone.




That's bullshit. And even when they are different types of strains or species they don't differ much at all.

All the archetypes I named are the archetypes of psilocybin in general. I'm pretty sure the variety just has to do with it being another DMT compound which are generally recognized as being different every time.
Of course it's probably the most dramatic with pure DMT.

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Can you tell what kind of psychedelic experience a mushroom will give you from the way it looks?  i.e. color, patterns, shape, size




No definitely not


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: truthfull]
    #23619358 - 09/06/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes mushrooms are different every time. I find LSD though can get a bit repetitive.



nice ive noticed a similar thing




Yeah I just felt like I pretty much fully understood acid after only trying it like 3 or 4 times whereas with mushrooms I needed to do them like 15 or 20 times at least before I really started to understand them.

With LSD I think I got it pretty quick though, I think mushrooms are the kind of psychedelic you have to keep taking to really get or understand.


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    #23619446 - 09/06/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

One mushroom drops millions of spores, each having its own "sex" you could say.  The hyphae from the spore continues on untill it finds a "mate" then become dikaryotic.  So when you put spores into a nutrient rich substrate and the mycelium begins to form it is actually creating several different substrains, each little circle is a substrain.

That's why people use agar to isolate genetics/traits to grow bigger healthier mushrooms.
Anyways believe what you want.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: Aureus]
    #23621364 - 09/07/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Anyways believe what you want.




I never said I didn't believe you on that I simply don't believe that's why psilocybin trips are different every time. That's simply the nature of the psilocybin molecule. They're all philosophical, spiritual ect. and they're pretty much all prone to the archetypes I stated.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23637587 - 09/12/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Actually each batch has different substrains if they are grown via multi-spore, that's called genetc diversity and the reason why even mushrooms from the same batch have different potencies, grades of color, size, shape, more occurrence of clusters or not, mutants etc... that's why people clone.




That's bullshit.




No it's no bullshit, but the word "substrain" is confusing here. GoldenTeacher or B+ are just varieties of P.cubensis. Using "strain" and "substrain" is wrong here.
But if you call isolated cube-varieties "strains" then there's nothing wrong with calling multispoorefruits "substrains".

When grown via multispore each single mushroom is again a different variety. So in fact each fruit differs from one another in potency, size, color.
Growing from isolated, living mycelium is the only way to get fruits of consistent shape and potency.


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Can you tell what kind of psychedelic experience a mushroom will give you from the way it looks?




No way, each experience is unique.
But an experienced mushroom-grower can tell if your mushrooms had good growing conditions and were harvested at the right time just by looking at them. Those are no unimportant factors for their potency.

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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23637591 - 09/12/16 02:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Anyways believe what you want.




I never said I didn't believe you on that I simply don't believe that's why psilocybin trips are different every time. That's simply the nature of the psilocybin molecule. They're all philosophical, spiritual ect. and they're pretty much all prone to the archetypes I stated.




It would not be right if all psilocybin trips were the same.  Each exp gained should be unique and different otherwise the experience would not be psychedelic. i.e. you'd just be stoned


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23637594 - 09/12/16 03:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Can you tell what kind of psychedelic experience a mushroom will give you from the way it looks?




No way, each experience is unique.
But an experienced mushroom-grower can tell if your mushrooms had good growing conditions and were harvested at the right time just by looking at them. Those are no unimportant factors for their potency.

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Despite having told if the mushroom has been grown in conditions that are excellent and harvested at the proper timeframe, does each mushroom not vary indefinitely in appearance?


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    #23637624 - 09/12/16 03:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Despite having told if the mushroom has been grown in conditions that are excellent and harvested at the proper timeframe, does each mushroom not vary indefinitely in appearance?




That's what isolating is all about, to weed out any variation in appearance and potency.
When grown in exactly the same conditions they should all look exactly the same. Sure there are limitations.
First thing that comes to mind a growbox cannot be evenly lit, one mushroom grows over another casting a shadow on the mycelium beneath
and so the upcomming fruits from beneath will look different. Humidity and FAE differ in each corner of the box, ..

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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #23637645 - 09/12/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What's FAE?

Maybe my mind is flowing too fast...


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    #23638686 - 09/12/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No it's no bullshit, but the word "substrain" is confusing here. GoldenTeacher or B+ are just varieties of P.cubensis. Using "strain" and "substrain" is wrong here.
But if you call isolated cube-varieties "strains" then there's nothing wrong with calling multispoorefruits "substrains".




How about you actually read what I said because I even repeated myself that I wasn't talking about substrains I when I said "bullshit"....I was talking about the archetypes and motifs of psilocybin.
They are archetypes of psilocybin in general not the archetypes of different substrains.

Also what you're saying is pretty silly. Golden Teachers are a strain of the cubensis species. You're acting like I somehow didn't already know that..

Nothing you're saying makes any sense in relation to what I said.


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Re: Shrooms not consistent? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23638998 - 09/12/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe I've been a little too high.. sorry bro! :heart:

I always think the term "multispore" has something to do with strains, but in fact it is only a way to express variation of fruits when growing with spores. Still confusing me a little. :thumbup:

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    #23639065 - 09/12/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's cool it's just that the other guy thought I was saying that too lol


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    #23639169 - 09/12/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It would not be right if all psilocybin trips were the same.  Each exp gained should be unique and different otherwise the experience would not be psychedelic. i.e. you'd just be stoned




I know and of course that's what I've been saying. Especially with mushrooms each trip is wildly different, and imo way more so than any other psych I've done.

Just because it has archetypes in no way means that they are anywhere close to the same thing. An archetype is simply an archetype, it's a thematic layer, a theme not a detailed effect that can be isolated from the rest of the experience. It wafts over the whole trip, it's not like it IS the trip. 

Just because all my mushroom trips feel philosophical and spiritual does not mean they feel the same. Plus that's not even what I was referring to, spirituality is not an archetype and neither is general philosophical thought; archetypes are things much more specific like for example the archetype of the tribe, archetype of the alien, shamanic archetypes etc.

Two different trips can each have the same archetype(s) and still be worlds apart.


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