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Mushierage
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LED vs CFL/LFL
#23611573 - 09/04/16 02:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know this has been discussed many times, but I'd like to get current opinion on it. I've been considering this for awhile and thought about a universal system tied to about 4-5 stacked or linear Monotubs, or even a large custom built linear monotub.
The two designs I've been mulling over are a stacked system, with again 4-5 tubs high, tied to a singular lighting system.
The other is again, a custom built linear monotub, about 8ft x 3ft x 2ft height, constructed from plexiglass and silicone.
I've thought of a 8ft linear fluorescent T8, and I've also though of several CFLs mounted through the top, and professional gro-light rope LED lighting.
I could buy a 8ft T8 ballast and bulb for a reasonable price, and pretty much am aware of the pros and cons in regard to cost, and also thermal output. I'm just not sure I want to be running such a large cumbersome and noticeable lighting system.
So I've been thinking more about the professional led roping. I understand that it's going to be pretty expensive, but the benefits to it might be worth the investment. It will pretty much last forever, and will never need replaced like a T8 bulb. 8 footers are hard to find also unless you order them. LED will also use less wattage, produce less thermal output, is not cumbersome or noticeable and doesn't require a bulky ballast, Also produces more lumens per watt, and it's very versatile in case I decide to use for other designs. (I.e. Running through stackable monos, linear, pow wow circle, you name it.
Anybody have any experience with LED Grolight rope or have any opinions on this? I am aware of cost so let's for all intents and purposes leave this out of the conversation.
Go.
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All I know is plants with lights my shrooms all done under the sun but as its coming up to winter and the UK doesn't get much sun in winter I will be switching to lights With 600w LEDs and 600w HPS and 8x85w CFL There is a noticeable difference These are for plant s HPS light best but kicks out a fuck ton of heat CFL a very close second and a lot cooler but still gets hot after a while LED noticeable less growth still good but not as big plants and a lot cooler temp wise Its all about the trade off cost to run over acceptable growth same order cost wise with HPS being way more expensive then CFL then led HPS isn't gonna be any use for shrooms though Just my plant experience Probably no use but might help
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mushboy
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RogerRabbit said: ...get a compact fluorescent lamp rated 'daylight', which is 6500K. You can find them at any hardware store, and many grocery stores. RR
its an old post but i think thats still the standard. a pack of 4 at lowes was 7.99
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Re: LED vs CFL/LFL [Re: mushboy]
#23611655 - 09/04/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've used dollar General battery operated led lights with gokd results for cubes
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george castanza
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I always like sunlight best for mushrooms, but I noticed you left that out of your options.
Idk if you have ever tried a reptile/aquarium florescent light but that was actually my second choice from sunlight.
CFL/regular tube floros would be my third choice.
I have yet to try the LED lighting so I dare not offer my opinion as to where this one fits in the mix.
I will say direct sunlight shows better flushes and lowered contamination rates on multi-spore grows. The artificial lighting works fine, but these days I always make an effort to work sunlight in as my light source when I'm setting up my grow because of the reasons already stated with the added bonus of not having to worry about a timer as well as the cost factor being 0. If the need for secrecy overrides the ability to provide sunlight i totally understand.
If sunlight is really not an option I would guess that whichever of the other recommend lighting options you choose will have little impact on growth, so you should make your choice based on your other needs. Heat, cost, durability, availably, compatibly, difficulty, ect, ect.
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Mushierage
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Currently using a mix of sunlight and two 45watt 800 lumen 6500k CFLs on a SGFC and mono. When I go to construct the new mono setup the CFLs aren't really a great option for me.
I could do a daylight 8ft T8 for a linear setup but like I was saying, it's bulky and I'd rather avoid doing that if at all possible.
I thought about running a daylight temp LED top down the middle of the 8ft tub, through the length of it attached to the top of the tub. That way the hole thing is lit by one singular light. It also will be disguised so no visitors would even be able to tell what it is looking at it from the outside of it.
Main goals: Stealth, Ease of use and convenience of having a singular 8ft tub for those strains that I love oh so much.
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george castanza
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That T8 is probably your best choice as long as it's not pushing your temps to high.
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Mushierage
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george castanza said: That T8 is probably your best choice as long as it's not pushing your temps to high.
I might check into reptile lights. I know they are very expensive but it might be worth the investment, and the wattage is a lot lower = less thermal output.
Was at the store just now and scoped these.

Look at the price, lumens and wattage. Essentially nominal thermal output and work better than a CFL, due to increased lumen output. 10 bucks a bulb is not bad when you consider all that information. I might just have to get over myself and switch to these.
Whatcha guys think of this?
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Re: LED vs CFL/LFL [Re: mushboy]
#23612299 - 09/04/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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RogerRabbit said: ...get a compact fluorescent lamp rated 'daylight', which is 6500K. You can find them at any hardware store, and many grocery stores. RR
its an old post but i think thats still the standard. a pack of 4 at lowes was 7.99
Yep and just two or three is enough for a whole damn room
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Mushierage
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Yes, but please read my reasoning for not wanting to use these. If I wanted just plain old CFLs id go to the hardware store down the street and that'd be that. I know they work, I use them right now currently. But I am not interested in plain CFLs for a few different reasons on a upcoming project I've wanted to complete for awhile.
Believe me, I've put a lot of thought into this.
A really don't want to do multiple CFLs or even multiple LED bulbs. The intention is to go to a runner light that spans the entirety of an 8ft tub right through the middle or the top, possibly with a centralized wire rack that can also be used to set cakes on top of if I choose. For this reason, wattage/thermal output will be critical. Stealth and ease of use is also highly desired.
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george castanza
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If money is not a factor buy the reptile lights and be done will it.
You're just arguing with yourself now, I doubt anyone around here has sufficient experience not to mention knowledge of your intended set up to be able to say which would be definitively better for you to use.
There are a lot of variables you have left out. I say just make a decision and run with it.
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themadextractor
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A guy recently made some stealth tubs on here that it out some damn good results for a stealth tub. Used Led strip for all the light.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23026284
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george castanza
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Ya, RR had nothing but praise for LED, so I would guess that they do preform well.
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Mushierage
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george castanza said: If money is not a factor buy the reptile lights and be done will it.
You're just arguing with yourself now, I doubt anyone around here has sufficient experience not to mention knowledge of your intended set up to be able to say which would be definitively better for you to use.
There are a lot of variables you have left out. I say just make a decision and run with it.
True that. I've pretty much already decided, just wanted to toss into the ocean for the Sharks to feed on.
Thanks for the input all.
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spore-ty



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I used dollar store battery operated leds for awhile in monotubs awhile back hell I still do just more pricy ones and more durable like the link the guy posted above
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Moabfighter
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Re: LED vs CFL/LFL [Re: spore-ty]
#23613226 - 09/04/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man....I have a 400 watt. LED
Wonder if it'd produce anything major other than a power bill increase
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